omar khadr

Smellyman

catefrances wrote:

Khadr is accused of killing a US soldier after throwing a grenade at the end of a four-hour US bombardment of an al-Qaeda compound in the eastern Afghan city of Khost.

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

catefrances

Smellyman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Khadr is accused of killing a US soldier after throwing a grenade at the end of a four-hour US bombardment of an al-Qaeda compound in the eastern Afghan city of Khost.

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

well of course.. why else would they be in an al qaeda compund. :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

since when can ANYONE, child or not, terrorist or not, be tried for any crime when being in the throes of war? so that would mean that millions upon millions of people in every war would be guilty of murder! Casualties of war are not technically murder victims. I've never understood why this guy is in prison! But I do know why it's taken so long to get him to trial. The US government didn't want to try him when he was still a minor, and probably stupidly hoped everyone would forget that little nugget of info.

catefrances wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Khadr is accused of killing a US soldier after throwing a grenade at the end of a four-hour US bombardment of an al-Qaeda compound in the eastern Afghan city of Khost.

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

well of course.. why else would they be in an al qaeda compund. :roll:

catefrances

since the US is making up the rules. but dont forget there is such a thing as war crimes... as if war isnt a big enough crime against humanity.

Paul David wrote:

since when can ANYONE, child or not, terrorist or not, be tried for any crime when being in the throes of war? so that would mean that millions upon millions of people in every war would be guilty of murder! Casualties of war are not technically murder victims. I've never understood why this guy is in prison! But I do know why it's taken so long to get him to trial. The US government didn't want to try him when he was still a minor, and probably stupidly hoped everyone would forget that little nugget of info.

catefrances wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

well of course.. why else would they be in an al qaeda compund. :roll:

Byrnzie

lukin2006 wrote:

Was Christopher Speer a medic? with US Special Forces. If so, then the Geneva Convention specifically covers medics.

And where does the Geneva Convention stand on the issue of wars of aggression and occupation?

haffajappa

Smellyman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Khadr is accused of killing a US soldier after throwing a grenade at the end of a four-hour US bombardment of an al-Qaeda compound in the eastern Afghan city of Khost.

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

I think he is a Canadian citizen, isn't he?

Smellyman

haffajappa wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Khadr is accused of killing a US soldier after throwing a grenade at the end of a four-hour US bombardment of an al-Qaeda compound in the eastern Afghan city of Khost.

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

I think he is a Canadian citizen, isn't he?

I guess so, but to me it doesn't matter.

An invasion of another country and the deaths of a million people, I am surprised the whole world isn't against the US. (outspending the entire rest of the world on the military is the only reason) It was Illegal and Bush Rummy, Wolfy, Cheney et al. should be the ones in Prison instead of enjoying their lives. Personally I couldn't live with myself knowing I was responsible for a million deaths.

haffajappa

Smellyman wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

I am sure everyone single one of them was a terrorist....no worries.

I think he is a Canadian citizen, isn't he?

I guess so, but to me it doesn't matter.

An invasion of another country and the deaths of a million people, I am surprised the whole world isn't against the US. (outspending the entire rest of the world on the military is the only reason) It was Illegal and Bush Rummy, Wolfy, Cheney et al. should be the ones in Prison instead of enjoying their lives. Personally I couldn't live with myself knowing I was responsible for a million deaths.

I think i quoted the wrong post ...but i thought someone asked why this case is special or why he gets recognition

even flow - question mark

Paul David wrote:

'Forever a murderer,' widow tells Khadr


GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba - The widow of Omar Khadr's hand-grenade victim looked squarely at the man who killed her husband and lambasted him as a killer.

Testifying through tears at Khadr's war-crimes sentencing hearing, Tabitha Speer told Khadr he had deprived her two kids of their dad.

"You will forever be a murderer in my eyes — it doesn't matter what you say — from this day on," Speer said calmly but forcefully.

"You made a choice; my children have no choice."

I just want to deal with this part. Wow and I mean wow when you can't see the other side of the fence. Soooooo, if her husband and his unit were up on murder charges in Afgan she would easily understand it. Right!

cincybearcat

even flow - question mark wrote:

Paul David wrote:

'Forever a murderer,' widow tells Khadr


GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba - The widow of Omar Khadr's hand-grenade victim looked squarely at the man who killed her husband and lambasted him as a killer.

Testifying through tears at Khadr's war-crimes sentencing hearing, Tabitha Speer told Khadr he had deprived her two kids of their dad.

"You will forever be a murderer in my eyes — it doesn't matter what you say — from this day on," Speer said calmly but forcefully.

"You made a choice; my children have no choice."

I just want to deal with this part. Wow and I mean wow when you can't see the other side of the fence. Soooooo, if her husband and his unit were up on murder charges in Afgan she would easily understand it. Right!

Yeah, you can easily feel for her and understand her feelings, but it does certainly show the emotion that occurs on the "other side" and all the hatred.

polaris_x

again ... the initial investigation done indicated that khadr DID NOT throw the grenade ... rather he was already incapacitated ... if anything - this soldier likely died from friendly fire as like many others ...

they took this kid and put him in guantanamo and in order to save face from torturing and holding a child ini prison for 9 years ... they break him and bring him out and make him admit to things he hadn't admitted to in 8 years in that hell hole ... to be dressed down by widows ... so, that the US gov't can feel it was right to hold this kid for all this time WITHOUT TRIAL ...

if any of us were put under that kind of conditions ... we'd admit to killing jesus himself ...

lukin2006

Kadr handed 40 year sentence but will only have to serve 8 years

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Khadr+h ... story.html

Smellyman

lukin2006 wrote:

Kadr handed 40 year sentence but will only have to serve 8 years

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Khadr+h ... story.html

Meanwhile, this dude is an American hero in tea bagger eyes, soon to be a congressman.

Can't for the life of me understand why they don't like us. I guess the hate are freedom.....

Tea Party backing candidate who allegedly shot unarmed Iraqis 60 times

By Eric W. Dolan
Tuesday, October 26th, 2010 -- 11:37 am

A Tea Party-backed candidate who allegedly murdered two unarmed Iraqis could win a seat in the House of Representatives, The Guardian reports.

Thirty-nine-year-old Ilario Pantano, who is running for North Carolina's 7th congressional district as a Republican, was charged with the premeditated murder of two Iraqi civilians in 2005 while serving as a second lieutenant with the US Marines.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/gop-candidate-killed-unarmed-iraqi/

catefrances

yeah but he was fighting for your freedoms.

polaris_x

khadr's 8-year sentence was always part of the plea ...

this kid is basically gonna serve 17 years, been tortured and psychologically broken for basically having a shitty dad, being in the wrong place around the wrong people, and having a canadian gov't that sold him down the river ...

someone explain to me how THE US INVADING ARMY can try someone who is fighting an invasion!?? ... every single army officer should be charged in the same corrupt court ...

another indication of how morally fucked up the US is ... :evil:

lukin2006

Canadians divided about returning Khadr to Canada: poll

Mike DeSouza, Postmedia News
Monday, Nov. 1, 2010


OTTAWA — Canadians are split on the Harper government’s decision announced Monday to honour an agreement allowing confessed killer Omar Khadr to return to Canada, according to results of a poll conducted exclusively for Postmedia News and Global National.

The Ipsos Reid survey found that 49% of the population did not want the Toronto-born Khadr, who confessed to the 2002 killing of a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan, to serve any part of his sentence in Canada.

But Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said the government would actually allow Khadr, who was 15 years old at the time of the crimes, to be repatriated.

“The U.S. government has accepted that Omar Khadr return to Canada and we will implement the agreement reached between Mr. Khadr and the United States,” Mr. Cannon said in the House of Commons in response to questions from Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe.

The decision follows years of court battles in which Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government refused to repatriate Khadr, maintaining that he was facing charges of “serious crimes.”

According to the poll’s findings, only 25% believe Khadr should serve all of his sentence in Canada, while 26% believe he should serve some of it in the country. It adds up to 51% who believe he should be repatriated.

A majority of Canadians in Atlantic Canada (61%), Saskatchewan and Manitoba (59%) as well as in Quebec (57%) said they want him to return to Canada, while a majority of Albertans (58%), British Columbians (54%) and Ontarians (52%) said they do not believe Khadr should serve any part of his sentence in the country.

John Wright, senior vice-president at Ipsos Reid, said he couldn’t explain the regional breakdowns, but believes the numbers suggest Canadians are closely following developments in this story and do not have a favourable opinion of Khadr, who recently pleaded guilty to the crimes, after initially maintaining his innocence.

More than two-thirds of respondents in the survey or 69% said that “Khadr probably is guilty and this plea bargain is too generous, and that the Canadian government was right not to have offered him any assistance up to this point.”

Only 31% said that he should have been offered more government assistance because he was probably “not guilty and was forced into this plea bargain as his only option to be released someday after serving his sentence.”

Mr. Wright added that the numbers show that the government’s approach to the file has been consistent with a strong opposition to Khadr’s repatriation in Conservative-held ridings.

“From a political standpoint, they have managed the file according to the public opinion that has been displayed to date,” Mr. Wright said. “The public is simply not accepting of Mr. Khadr’s immediate return to this country, and that gives the government some leverage in this matter.”

Mr. Cannon’s announcement also follows revelations of discussions between U.S. and Canadian officials about Khadr’s release into Canadian custody in a year through a diplomatic note sent by the federal government to the U.S. government.

The note indicated that the Canadian government was “inclined to favourably consider” Khadr’s transfer to the country. But when questioned about the note, Mr. Cannon said in the Commons that this did not mean his government participated in negotiations on sentencing.

“The government of Canada was not part of the plea negotiations,” Cannon said in response to a question from Liberal MP Ujjal Dosanjh. “In fact, the chief prosecutor of the tribunal, Navy Capt. John Murphy, when asked about whether Canada was part of this deal, Capt. Murphy said that the agreement was between the U.S. government and the defence.”

The opposition parties have all been calling for Khadr’s repatriation, noting that he was a child soldier at the time of the crimes.

“You know, whether I like the guy or not, that is not the issue,” Dosanjh told reporters. “Canadians have rights under the charter of rights, under our Constitution. You could be the most vile person on this Earth, [but] if you are a Canadian citizen, you have certain rights and one of those rights is to be able to come back to this country, either after serving some sentence or before serving the sentence. You are after all, a Canadian. A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. And that is what this government has failed to understand.”

The poll surveyed 1,046 adult Canadians online between Oct. 29 and Nov 1. A sample of this size generally has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

catefrances

so the fact that khadr was tortured holds no water with canadians?? wonder if theyd be fine with their kid being tortured to confess.

polaris_x

catefrances wrote:

so the fact that khadr was tortured holds no water with canadians?? wonder if theyd be fine with their kid being tortured to confess.

well ... i'd say it's split ... we have our fair share of people who subscribe to media biases ... the main problem tho is that we are currently represented by a right-wing gov't that really could give to shits to anyone not white ...

for the first time we lost a vote at the UN to be part of the security council ... and it was simply because, canadians (since our election of this right wing gov't) has lost almost all of its credibilty on the international stage ... our handling of omar khadr is a prime example ... having said that - this approach is completely in line with the political base that supports conservatives here ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

catefrances wrote:

so the fact that khadr was tortured holds no water with canadians?? wonder if theyd be fine with their kid being tortured to confess.

well ... i'd say it's split ... we have our fair share of people who subscribe to media biases ... the main problem tho is that we are currently represented by a right-wing gov't that really could give to shits to anyone not white ...

for the first time we lost a vote at the UN to be part of the security council ... and it was simply because, canadians (since our election of this right wing gov't) has lost almost all of its credibilty on the international stage ... our handling of omar khadr is a prime example ... having said that - this approach is completely in line with the political base that supports conservatives here ...

Well just maybe people can imagine their son/duaghter serving in the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan more than can imagine their son/daughter being a terrorist. Anyhow he was not fighting for a country, he was involved with terrorist organizations. As for this government not helping him because he is not white, thats a bullshit statement, just ask that fellow in Montana who is a Canadian on death row, he's pretty damn white, the prince pot is white, and the list can go on. The statement that represents the truth is that this government feels that if you leave this country and commit a crime, then you will be punished according to the the country where the crime was commited.

Actually The Harper government is going to allow his transfer back to Canada after 1 year in which he will probably be paroled fairly quickly after that.

What were the liberals doing to free him when they were in power? And they obviously were not very succesful.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Well just maybe people can imagine their son/duaghter serving in the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan more than can imagine their son/daughter being a terrorist. Anyhow he was not fighting for a country, he was involved with terrorist organizations. As for this government not helping him because he is not white, thats a bullshit statement, just ask that fellow in Montana who is a Canadian on death row, he's pretty damn white, the prince pot is white, and the list can go on. The statement that represents the truth is that this government feels that if you leave this country and commit a crime, then you will be punished according to the the country where the crime was commited.

Actually The Harper government is going to allow his transfer back to Canada after 1 year in which he will probably be paroled fairly quickly after that.

What were the liberals doing to free him when they were in power? And they obviously were not very succesful.

firstly ... i don't see how you can say he was part of a terrorist organization ... who was he terrorizing in afghanistan?? ... the US invaded a sovereign country ... it's as simple as that ... and again - the evidence does not point to him throwing that grenade ... and again ... he was 15 years old at the time ... i can't believe anyone thinks its ok to torture 15 year olds or anyone for that matter ...

what about brenda martin!?? ... for some reason she got help in mexico ... but that is not the point ... every western national that was in guantanamo got sent back to their own country ... every single one except one ... the 15 year old kid from canada ... where he was left to rot ... why is that?