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The Dems took control in 2007....

whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
edited October 2010 in A Moving Train
...of the House and Senate. Is there any truth to the fact that this mess we are in is their fault? Many people on the right continue to point this out, and they point to figures that state that the economy was doing well, the DOW was at record highs, jobs were being created, etc.

I'm just wondering if anyone has factual data on this, and if anyone can offer any insight.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The DOW numbers are not directly related the economy doing well. In fact, it's current level is the same as it was before the housing bubble and bank crashes. It's very easy to try and blame one side as many in our society like to do, but the reality is all of the problems we face as a nation are creations of decades of policies, lack of oversight and a general ineptitude by the government (both parties). Perhaps in some issues or specific cases, one party maybe a little more responsible than the other, but overall, both of their collective screw-ups have led us down the path were are on... which is not a good one.
    whygohome wrote:
    ...of the House and Senate. Is there any truth to the fact that this mess we are in is their fault? Many people on the right continue to point this out, and they point to figures that state that the economy was doing well, the DOW was at record highs, jobs were being created, etc.

    I'm just wondering if anyone has factual data on this, and if anyone can offer any insight.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    A guy builds a bomb... carries it out into the streets... lights the fuse... walks by a crowded bus stop.
    Another man takes the bomb away while the guy who built it runs away... the bomb blows up. People killed and injured.
    ...
    Where is the responsibility?
    Republicans are saying... it lays with the guy who took the bomb away. Using the logic that it was in that person's hands when it went off. Reason... the bomb was fine when it was in their hands... no one got hurt while they had it.
    Makes sense... right?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    Cosmo wrote:
    A guy builds a bomb... carries it out into the streets... lights the fuse... walks by a crowded bus stop.
    Another man takes the bomb away while the guy who built it runs away... the bomb blows up.
    ...
    Where is the responsibility?
    Republicans are saying... it lays with the guy who took the bomb away. Using the logic that it was in that person's hands when it went off.
    True, but it has been two years since the bomb went off and the bus stop has yet to be rebuilt. As Byrnzie pointed out in another thread, the republicans were completely destroyed in 2008. The democrats have the ball but they seem to making lateral moves instead of running north/south.

    I think the biggest failure in the democrat strategy was ignoring the fact that people tend to stop worrying about oversea issues like war when their jobs are on the line. Too much time was wasted on trying to keep campaign promises (not that should be a bad thing, it just caught the democrats at a bad time).
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    A guy builds a bomb... carries it out into the streets... lights the fuse... walks by a crowded bus stop.
    Another man takes the bomb away while the guy who built it runs away... the bomb blows up.
    ...
    Where is the responsibility?
    Republicans are saying... it lays with the guy who took the bomb away. Using the logic that it was in that person's hands when it went off.
    True, but it has been two years since the bomb went off and the bus stop has yet to be rebuilt. As Byrnzie pointed out in another thread, the republicans were completely destroyed in 2008. The democrats have the ball but they seem to making lateral moves instead of running north/south.

    I think the biggest failure in the democrat strategy was ignoring the fact that people tend to stop worrying about oversea issues like war when their jobs are on the line. Too much time was wasted on trying to keep campaign promises (not that should be a bad thing, it just caught the democrats at a bad time).
    ...
    The Bus Stop has been rebuilt and the route restored... but, some of the injured people are still in pain and the dead ones are still dead.
    Also... anyone who believes the Democrats will fix what the Republicans have done (and vice-versa), are delussional. The workings of our government won't change... the only thing that will change is who the spending goes to... the military or the poor.
    And Governement is a gigantic ship that takes a long time to turn. People should not expect an aircraft carrier to manuveur like a jet-ski.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Nice metaphore Cosmo. :)

    I'll run with it a little further. Some people are arguing that the aircraft carrier should be done away with altogether, and replaced by an armada of jetskis occupying the same space. Think about that image for a minute, tens of thousands of people on jetskis in a rather congested space colliding and toppling eahcother and running eachother over... And tell me whether having an aircraft carrier to stay aboard for the large majority of them wouldn't be perceived as an improvement. Everyone doesn't have to be aboard the carrier, but if a large group pf them are, it allows for more maneuvering space for the folks wanting to ride their jetskis. And a place of refuge if their jetski dies on them.

    Rambling done now. :)

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    the fault lies with the business party, the militant capitalist party.



    which includes the dems and the republicans.




    the problem with our economy is the middle class can't buy all that shit that's been keepijng things running since the 70's.



    it started a single individual could raise a family with one job. then it required a partner. then it required borrowing. now it requires reform.

    when wages stagnate for 30 years, while the upper class see huge increases in salary....yeah something's gotta give. and it did.
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Commy wrote:
    the fault lies with the business party, the militant capitalist party.



    which includes the dems and the republicans.




    the problem with our economy is the middle class can't buy all that shit that's been keepijng things running since the 70's.



    it started a single individual could raise a family with one job. then it required a partner. then it required borrowing. now it requires reform.

    when wages stagnate for 30 years, while the upper class see huge increases in salary....yeah something's gotta give. and it did.

    I find myself agreeing with you too often. is that wrong?
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Jason P wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    A guy builds a bomb... carries it out into the streets... lights the fuse... walks by a crowded bus stop.
    Another man takes the bomb away while the guy who built it runs away... the bomb blows up.
    ...
    Where is the responsibility?
    Republicans are saying... it lays with the guy who took the bomb away. Using the logic that it was in that person's hands when it went off.
    True, but it has been two years since the bomb went off and the bus stop has yet to be rebuilt. As Byrnzie pointed out in another thread, the republicans were completely destroyed in 2008. The democrats have the ball but they seem to making lateral moves instead of running north/south.

    I think the biggest failure in the democrat strategy was ignoring the fact that people tend to stop worrying about oversea issues like war when their jobs are on the line. Too much time was wasted on trying to keep campaign promises (not that should be a bad thing, it just caught the democrats at a bad time).


    they kept their campaign promises?? because i sorta remember them going on about things like the war, patriot act, warrantless wiretapping....and then they took over and approved the rewriting of FISA to make the wiretapping legal and approved every war bill and extension of the patriot act....in essence the dems were nothing but a rubber stamp for bush those last 2 years and that's what i don't understand - the democrats had control of the legislative branch and yet bush passed virtually everything he wanted, now we still have a democrat controlled legislative branch AND executive branch and i'm supposed to believe nothing gets done because a minority of republicans??? why the fuck couldn't the democrats pose any obstructions to the bush agenda?

    i think the easy answer is they are ALL full of shit and the majority are nothing more than corporate whores whose role is to keep the status quo chugging along while we stand around and point fingers at the other side because it's all their fault
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    A guy builds a bomb... carries it out into the streets... lights the fuse... walks by a crowded bus stop.
    Another man takes the bomb away while the guy who built it runs away... the bomb blows up.
    ...
    Where is the responsibility?
    Republicans are saying... it lays with the guy who took the bomb away. Using the logic that it was in that person's hands when it went off.
    True, but it has been two years since the bomb went off and the bus stop has yet to be rebuilt. As Byrnzie pointed out in another thread, the republicans were completely destroyed in 2008. The democrats have the ball but they seem to making lateral moves instead of running north/south.

    I think the biggest failure in the democrat strategy was ignoring the fact that people tend to stop worrying about oversea issues like war when their jobs are on the line. Too much time was wasted on trying to keep campaign promises (not that should be a bad thing, it just caught the democrats at a bad time).

    they kept their campaign promises?? because i sorta remember them going on about things like the war, patriot act, warrantless wiretapping....and then they took over and approved the rewriting of FISA to make the wiretapping legal and approved every war bill and extension of the patriot act....in essence the dems were nothing but a rubber stamp for bush those last 2 years and that's what i don't understand - the democrats had control of the legislative branch and yet bush passed virtually everything he wanted, now we still have a democrat controlled legislative branch AND executive branch and i'm supposed to believe nothing gets done because a minority of republicans??? why the fuck couldn't the democrats pose any obstructions to the bush agenda?

    i think the easy answer is they are ALL full of shit and the majority are nothing more than corporate whores whose role is to keep the status quo chugging along while we stand around and point fingers at the other side because it's all their fault

    Can we at least agree that it takes more than 2 years to right a ship? Especially, a ship that was way off course. Can we also agree that a lot has been done - whether you agree with the policies or not. Credit Card reform, Financial Reform, Health Care Overhaul, Troops out of Iraq (still too many there), Stimulus packages which included funding for Green Energy - which this backwards nation will still not embrace b/c Big Oil is in charge, Education Reform (although it did closely resemble No Child Left Behind), Consumer Protection Agency, Avoided a Depression or Severe Recession.

    If I left anything out, please add to the list. There is still more work to be done, but, as my stepfather, a staunch Rep. says, you would have to be an idiot to think that a man/administration is going to take office and flip a switch and make everything better.
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