is this move going to be the death knell for peace talks??

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ...In other words, the Israeli's can do whatever they like if they agree to postpone their illegal, racist settlement building for 3 months. After that time the U.S will abuse it's power of automatic veto at the U.N to protect Israel unconditionally whilst also turning a blind eye to renewed settlement construction for Jews only.

    I wonder who pulls the strings in Washington D.C?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    90 days?? wow so generous. :roll:
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Byrnzie wrote:
    ...In other words, the Israeli's can do whatever they like if they agree to postpone their illegal, racist settlement building for 3 months. After that time the U.S will abuse it's power of automatic veto at the U.N to protect Israel unconditionally whilst also turning a blind eye to renewed settlement construction for Jews only.

    I wonder who pulls the strings in Washington D.C?
    this deal is getting worse all the time....
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    ...US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have agreed after hours of discussions to seek the resumption of direct Middle East peace talks.

    The meeting focused on resuming negotiations to produce "a two-state solution", they said in a statement....


    there cant be a 2 state solution. it requires the relocation of too many people. and what happens to those palestinians living in israel? where do they go? do they stay in israel or will they be relocated to palestine? and what of jerusalem? to have it under the aegis of an international force is unacceptable. i am under no delusion that israel will ever allow a palestinian state to be fully autonomous. the continued building of settlements on stolen land just doesnt allow for a 2 state solution nor does the continued fragmentation of the palestinian community. do the israeli govt really think we in the west are that stupid not to know why they continue to build illegal settlements when by our inactions we are enabling them. personally i think they just dont respect us and who can blame them.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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    there cant be a 2 state solution. it requires the relocation of too many people.

    Twice as many Palestinians were 'relocated' in 1948 under much more difficult circumstances. And besides, most of the settlers took the difficult step of uprooting themselves and their families from America to Israel in the first place, so there's no reason why they can't just move across the 1967 line into Israel, or back to America where they came from.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    there cant be a 2 state solution. it requires the relocation of too many people.

    Twice as many Palestinians were 'relocated' in 1948 under much more difficult circumstances. And besides, most of them took the difficult step of uprooting themselves and their families from America to Israel in the first place, so there's no reason why they can't just move across the 1967 line into Israel, or back to America where they came from.


    so you think the israelis will just up and abandon their settlements to implement a 2 state solution? should they be expected to simply because the settlements are illegal under international law... a law i might point out the israelis arrogantly continue to disregard. will palestinians living and working in israel be expected to relocate to palestinian territory? can you possibly get past the sins of the past in order that there be a peaceful future? do you think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    so you think the israelis will just up and abandon their settlements to implement a 2 state solution? should they be expected to simply because the settlements are illegal under international law... a law i might point out the israelis arrogantly continue to disregard. will palestinians living and working in israel be expected to relocate to palestinian territory? can you possibly get past the sins of the past in order that there be a peaceful future? do you think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably?

    Do you think you could possibly cram any more questions into one post? That's ten questions in the space of two posts. Are you in a competition?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    so you think the israelis will just up and abandon their settlements to implement a 2 state solution? should they be expected to simply because the settlements are illegal under international law... a law i might point out the israelis arrogantly continue to disregard. will palestinians living and working in israel be expected to relocate to palestinian territory? can you possibly get past the sins of the past in order that there be a peaceful future? do you think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably?

    Do you think you could possibly cram any more questions into one post? That's ten questions in the space of two posts. Are you in a competition?


    you know i can steve. :P and no im not in a competition... i was just musing out loud.

    im just interested in what you think. in fact im interested in what yosi thinks too but hes not here atm. clearly land is of extreme importance so im just wondering under what circumstances people should be expected to abandon theirs.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    so....
    no thoughts then???

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    so....
    no thoughts then???

    *shrugs*

    I don't like being bombarded with multiple questions. My Mum does that and I ignore her when she does it too. One question at a time please. :thumbup:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    so you think the israelis will just up and abandon their settlements to implement a 2 state solution?

    I don't know. I hope so.
    should they be expected to simply because the settlements are illegal under international law...

    Yes, unless they wish to continue living in a dangerous rogue state.

    will palestinians living and working in israel be expected to relocate to palestinian territory?

    I don't know.
    can you possibly get past the sins of the past in order that there be a peaceful future?

    I think you possibly can.

    do you think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably?

    Depends what you mean by 'equitably'.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    so....
    no thoughts then???

    *shrugs*

    I don't like being bombarded with multiple questions. My Mum does that and I ignore her when she does it too. One question at a time please. :thumbup:

    im not your mum steve and the questions tumbled out cause it was what i was thinking at the time. you couldve just separated the questions and answered them one at a time.... oh looky thats what you did anyway. :roll: :lol:
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    so you think the israelis will just up and abandon their settlements to implement a 2 state solution?

    I don't know. I hope so.


    why do you hope so?

    Byrnzie wrote:
    should they be expected to simply because the settlements are illegal under international law...

    Yes, unless they wish to continue living in a dangerous rogue state.


    if israel-palestine become a single state then to whose advantage would it be to maintain hostilities? by making that comment youre underestimating the palestinians. to me, what you are saying is the palestinians cant get past what has happened in the past and that even if they were a part of a single equitable state that wouldnt be enough.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    will palestinians living and working in israel be expected to relocate to palestinian territory?

    I don't know.

    would that be part of your plan, if you support a 2 state solution steve? do you think its reasonable to expect it?

    Byrnzie wrote:
    can you possibly get past the sins of the past in order that there be a peaceful future?

    I think you possibly can.

    i do too. i also think for a one state solution to work, its a requirement. otherwise both sides are just gonna be locked in perpetual hatred and people are gonna continue to die.

    Byrnzie wrote:
    do you think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably?

    Depends what you mean by 'equitably'.

    equal rights in all areas. personally i dont think a 2 state plan can be implemented equitably. and that is why i support a 1 state solution. what about you all?
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