i knew it

mysticweed

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39666953/ns/us_news-life

I knew they were downplaying that shit. The fucking guy apologized for getting in Cheney's way, as i recall.
I don't hunt, but this isn't even hunting. These birds are bred for pleasure hunting and kept wings bound in the dark in boxes after someone "orders" some until they are placed in bushes or whatever until some dumbass shakes the bushes and some other dumbasses shoot them as they TRY to fly. It's barbaric.
afw
i knew it
peace

Cree Nations

that is such fucking bullshit. Speaking as a person who uses and respects the land and what it supplies....its a wonder that someone could look themselves in the mirror after participating in this.

eyedclaar

Hunters in general pretty much just piss me off these days. Yes, I realize they aren't all the same. However, I spend much more time than most amongst them, and all too often find myself cleaning up their trashed campsites. All too often, just a bunch of lazy, drunken dipshits out to shoot anything that moves. Sadly, certain organizations are politically well connected. Idaho's governor is a real piece of shit rancher with a ton of out-of-state friends who like to come participate in derby hunts and other unethical practices. Still very much a good ol' boy system and these idiots are basically protected by the Fish and Game department. Our government agencies don't care about intact ecosystems, they just cater to the biggest mouths.

Don't get me started on the wolf issue. Bunch of fucking hate and fear filled liars seem to dominate the conversation.

Drowned Out

I used to have a family of quails living in my backyard in BC....they were so much fun to watch. Sport hunting is about as lame a passtime as I can imagine, esp when giving the guys with the guns even more of an advantage like this. We are talking about Dick here, tho. The guys has no qualms shooting people without even an apology, or playing a pivotal role in having hundreds of thousands of others killed... no surprise he'd partake.

mysticweed

Drowned Out wrote:

I used to have a family of quails living in my backyard in BC....they were so much fun to watch. Sport hunting is about as lame a passtime as I can imagine, esp when giving the guys with the guns even more of an advantage like this. We are talking about Dick here, tho. The guys has no qualms shooting people without even an apology, or playing a pivotal role in having hundreds of thousands of others killed... no surprise he'd partake.

oh hell yes
the bush-cheney-rumsfeld crew is responsible for every soldier from every country and every innocent that has been injured, died, or wish they were dead
from operation iraqi freedon

but we won't get eyed started on wolves
so we won't get me started on THAT BUCK-PASSING TRIO
peace

Godfather.

eyedclaar wrote:

Hunters in general pretty much just piss me off these days. Yes, I realize they aren't all the same. However, I spend much more time than most amongst them, and all too often find myself cleaning up their trashed campsites. All too often, just a bunch of lazy, drunken dipshits out to shoot anything that moves. Sadly, certain organizations are politically well connected. Idaho's governor is a real piece of shit rancher with a ton of out-of-state friends who like to come participate in derby hunts and other unethical practices. Still very much a good ol' boy system and these idiots are basically protected by the Fish and Game department. Our government agencies don't care about intact ecosystems, they just cater to the biggest mouths.

Don't get me started on the wolf issue. Bunch of fucking hate and fear filled liars seem to dominate the conversation.

don't hold back ! tell us how you really feel.
just messin with you.

Godfather.

Cree Nations

lettinggo wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

I used to have a family of quails living in my backyard in BC....they were so much fun to watch. Sport hunting is about as lame a passtime as I can imagine, esp when giving the guys with the guns even more of an advantage like this. We are talking about Dick here, tho. The guys has no qualms shooting people without even an apology, or playing a pivotal role in having hundreds of thousands of others killed... no surprise he'd partake.

oh hell yes
the bush-cheney-rumsfeld crew is responsible for every soldier from every country and every innocent that has been injured, died, or wish they were dead
from operation iraqi freedon

but we won't get eyed started on wolves
so we won't get me started on THAT BUCK-PASSING TRIO
peace

...speaking about wolves...have you seen the new movie "Frozen".....I love wolves but after that, I saw them in a new light....even though the scenario in which they appear could be argued as being bullshit.....nonetheless..thunder bolts and lightening...

Godfather.

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

eyedclaar

Godfather. wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Hunters in general pretty much just piss me off these days. Yes, I realize they aren't all the same. However, I spend much more time than most amongst them, and all too often find myself cleaning up their trashed campsites. All too often, just a bunch of lazy, drunken dipshits out to shoot anything that moves. Sadly, certain organizations are politically well connected. Idaho's governor is a real piece of shit rancher with a ton of out-of-state friends who like to come participate in derby hunts and other unethical practices. Still very much a good ol' boy system and these idiots are basically protected by the Fish and Game department. Our government agencies don't care about intact ecosystems, they just cater to the biggest mouths.

Don't get me started on the wolf issue. Bunch of fucking hate and fear filled liars seem to dominate the conversation.

don't hold back ! tell us how you really feel.
just messin with you.

Godfather.

That was me being civil.

eyedclaar

Cree Nations wrote:

lettinggo wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

I used to have a family of quails living in my backyard in BC....they were so much fun to watch. Sport hunting is about as lame a passtime as I can imagine, esp when giving the guys with the guns even more of an advantage like this. We are talking about Dick here, tho. The guys has no qualms shooting people without even an apology, or playing a pivotal role in having hundreds of thousands of others killed... no surprise he'd partake.

oh hell yes
the bush-cheney-rumsfeld crew is responsible for every soldier from every country and every innocent that has been injured, died, or wish they were dead
from operation iraqi freedon

but we won't get eyed started on wolves
so we won't get me started on THAT BUCK-PASSING TRIO
peace

...speaking about wolves...have you seen the new movie "Frozen".....I love wolves but after that, I saw them in a new light....even though the scenario in which they appear could be argued as being bullshit.....nonetheless..thunder bolts and lightening...

But it is just spreading more lies and mis-information. Wolves don't attack people. There has been one case in all documented history and even that was way more the person's fault than anything. One case, and meanwhile we've taken this animal to the brink of extinction in the past and are itchin' to do it again.

eyedclaar

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

Because some of us don't like hunters, especially the modern tactics, as referenced in the initial post.

StillHere

quails are beautiful birds..peaceful

we have "turkey shoots" here in PA. Same deal, the turkeys are kept in boxes and let loose to run across the back of a shooting range. Tell me how that's hunting? I can't stand the ideas behind sport hunting to begin with. How is it enjoyable to kill another living thing just so you can hang a head on your library wall or stuff it and sit on the corner of your desk? Is that supposed to make people feel superior or something? I'm not opposed to hunting if its going to feed your family and you are going to make use of the animal for your needs. Hunting for "fun" is beyond my comprehension.

ANYWAY...we all know that Cheney is a government-sponsored crook. A heartless, thoughtless, murdering crook. Look how much he is behind so many disasters in modern time? I'm referring to massive oil spills (not just the most recent "publicized" one, but many, and many that happen almost every day that we never hear about (for anyone interested here's a link to oil spills,and by no means a complete list from 2004 to present...you will be flabbergasted by what you see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills). Then ADD the needless murder/suicide of our young sons and daughters in foreign lands in the name of oil. Everything he's involved with is ultimately for his own profit and sense of self-importance, and our government has hired him precisely to do all of it. Do you know what Cheney does for a living? If that's what we can call it? Do you know who's gotten decades worth of contracts to examine, evaluate, repair, safety test and qualify our oil wells for safety and efficacy? Guess.

There's nothing decent to be said about the man in my humble opinion. His life is a perfect example of where our government's priorities lies. Man, I am getting skeptical in my old age, but it just can't be helped. I remember not that long ago when I always wanted to give everyone the benefit of doubt when it came to all the reports of goings on. And I think for the most part, I still do, but Cheney is beyond all that. I've done too much of my own reading on the man to ever give him the benefit of doubt. I don't know if a person can be truly evil, but if they can, I put Dick Cheney at the top of the devil's list.

StillHere

eyedclaar wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

Because some of us don't like hunters, especially the modern tactics, as referenced in the initial post.

Godfather, I don't think it's about the government wanting him dead. Nope. On the contrary, he is way too valuable a crook to be on the hit list.

Godfather.

StillHere wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

Because some of us don't like hunters, especially the modern tactics, as referenced in the initial post.

Godfather, I don't think it's about the government wanting him dead. Nope. On the contrary, he is way too valuable a crook to be on the hit list.

ha ha ha most of em are crooks

Godfather.

eyedclaar

StillHere wrote:

quails are beautiful birds..peaceful

we have "turkey shoots" here in PA. Same deal, the turkeys are kept in boxes and let loose to run across the back of a shooting range. Tell me how that's hunting? I can't stand the ideas behind sport hunting to begin with. How is it enjoyable to kill another living thing just so you can hang a head on your library wall or stuff it and sit on the corner of your desk? Is that supposed to make people feel superior or something? I'm not opposed to hunting if its going to feed your family and you are going to make use of the animal for your needs. Hunting for "fun" is beyond my comprehension.

I have heard hunters talk about a "rush of power" they get when taking a life. That would be like me getting all excited about crushing some quadrapalegic in a game of basketball. There is nothing hard about killing animals. Early man had challenges in both game and weaponry, these days, not so much. Not to mention that hunters affect ecosystems in the exact opposite way natural predators do. Hunters look for the biggest alpha males and females which weakens genetic health, while things like wolves take down the sick and weak.

These days, I try to sneak up on animals just as close as I can get to possibly take a pictue or just admire them in their natural environment. That's hard. Shooting things? Nothing easier.

mysticweed

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

i started with the mishap with cheney & co
then i kinda got into how and why these birds are propogated
i personally do not hunt, and if you eat what you kill hunt away. As the golf courses take over any open area where we live, the deer population is being forced into less and less forest area. Hunting season has been extended here for that reason.
But sport hunting just to kill something that is bred to be hunted is, imho, abhorrent.

Cree Nations

I completely agree, it was bullshit "kinda" how they presented it...BUT...it is likely that a pack of wolves would eat you if you were bleeding profusely, were alone, incapacitated and sitting on the side of a mountain. It is very very doubtfull though one would allow himself to be in the situation to begin with....guess thats why its a movie. I love wolves and everything about them

eyedclaar

Cree Nations wrote:

I completely agree, it was bullshit "kinda" how they presented it...BUT...it is likely that a pack of wolves would eat you if you were bleeding profusely, were alone, incapacitated and sitting on the side of a mountain. It is very very doubtfull though one would allow himself to be in the situation to begin with....guess thats why its a movie. I love wolves and everything about them

I have had a pack of them right outside my tent bust into wild howling in the middle of the night. Holy shivers up the spine, even when knowing it wasn't a concern. Found their tracks less than 50 feet away the next morning. A couple different packs sang to my wife on her birthday just a month ago as well.

Jason P

eyedclaar wrote:

Cree Nations wrote:

I completely agree, it was bullshit "kinda" how they presented it...BUT...it is likely that a pack of wolves would eat you if you were bleeding profusely, were alone, incapacitated and sitting on the side of a mountain. It is very very doubtfull though one would allow himself to be in the situation to begin with....guess thats why its a movie. I love wolves and everything about them

I have had a pack of them right outside my tent bust into wild howling in the middle of the night. Holy shivers up the spine, even when knowing it wasn't a concern. Found their tracks less than 50 feet away the next morning. A couple different packs sang to my wife on her birthday just a month ago as well.

I had a pack of timber wolves do the same thing up in northern Minnesota. It was one of my friends first ever backpack trip and he was pretty freaked out and didn't get much sleep . . . although I'll admit it was a little unnerving even though I knew I didn't have anything to worry about.

StillHere

eyedclaar wrote:

StillHere wrote:

quails are beautiful birds..peaceful

we have "turkey shoots" here in PA. Same deal, the turkeys are kept in boxes and let loose to run across the back of a shooting range. Tell me how that's hunting? I can't stand the ideas behind sport hunting to begin with. How is it enjoyable to kill another living thing just so you can hang a head on your library wall or stuff it and sit on the corner of your desk? Is that supposed to make people feel superior or something? I'm not opposed to hunting if its going to feed your family and you are going to make use of the animal for your needs. Hunting for "fun" is beyond my comprehension.

I have heard hunters talk about a "rush of power" they get when taking a life. That would be like me getting all excited about crushing some quadriplegic in a game of basketball. There is nothing hard about killing animals. Early man had challenges in both game and weaponry, these days, not so much. Not to mention that hunters affect ecosystems in the exact opposite way natural predators do. Hunters look for the biggest alpha males and females which weakens genetic health, while things like wolves take down the sick and weak.

These days, I try to sneak up on animals just as close as I can get to possibly take a picture or just admire them in their natural environment. That's hard. Shooting things? Nothing easier.

Easy..physically..technically.
I get that.
Easy emotionally? Psychologically?
For many ppl I know the answer must be yes.
Still, I don't get it.
If i had to kill an animal because there was no other way to feed my family, I would STILL feel horrible about it.
I'm not a vegan or even a vegetarian, so no doubt I get the hypocrisy in my own views...I get that.
I still would not be able to do it.
I'm the first to admit that eating meat when you oppose hunting is oxymoronic. I'll be the first to admit it. But that's how it is nonetheless...
I still don't think its the same as sport hunting just for the rush of it.
Hey, I might get a tremendous rush if I jumped off the George Washington Bridge...doesn't mean I"m gonna do it...and if I did, I more than likely wouldn't still be around to tell anyone about it..and the rush would be way short-lived...but it'd probably be a rush to die for *lol!(stupid i know). We can get our little rushes in many other ways than killing an animal without any defenses of its own.
And i agree about the thinning of the population with hunts rather than by nature. We have bear hunts and deer hunts specifically for herd thinning...or extensions of the hunting seasons...or changing of the rules to allow for extra doe killings. But you're right. We are not doing it the way it was intended. What hunter wants a little runt buck with nubs for a headdress, right? Not on the wall for pete's sake. :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I remember several years ago I stomped on a bumble bee for no reason. I will always remember that. I still to this day feel guilty about it. "It's just a bumble bee, what's the big deal?", you say? It was a harmless creature doing nothing to bother my day. It was innocently flying by.

I have never killed an animal, and I never will, unless it's for my own self-preservation. I find hunting for sport a disgusting "tradition".

Pepe Silvia

have you seen the show 'swamp people' on this history channel? it's about people that hunt alligators or crocodiles or whatever as a living...and by 'hunt' i mean they set up lines with big hooks and rotting meat and come back the next day hoping one swallowed it down far enough or it got stuck enough to keep it on the line, then they pull the line and someone shoots it in the head

Godfather.

lettinggo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

i started with the mishap with cheney & co
then i kinda got into how and why these birds are propogated
i personally do not hunt, and if you eat what you kill hunt away. As the golf courses take over any open area where we live, the deer population is being forced into less and less forest area. Hunting season has been extended here for that reason.
But sport hunting just to kill something that is bred to be hunted is, imho, abhorrent.

when I was a kid I grew up deer hunting but we always ate what we took then one year I got a buck that seemed like it was just looking at me in fear...that was my last hunt,give me jack in the box anytime.
I have no problem with hunting if you eat what you take but never did like trophy hunting and never thought much of the people that do it.

Godfather.

mysticweed

Godfather. wrote:

lettinggo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

OK am I missing something here..lawyer gets shot by vice president on hunting trip- lawyer lives and is 80 years old now..and still pissed off because he didn't get a apology understandable but why the attack on hunters ? I think it was a accident if someone that high up in the white house wanted him dead then he would be dead.

Godfather.

i started with the mishap with cheney & co
then i kinda got into how and why these birds are propogated
i personally do not hunt, and if you eat what you kill hunt away. As the golf courses take over any open area where we live, the deer population is being forced into less and less forest area. Hunting season has been extended here for that reason.
But sport hunting just to kill something that is bred to be hunted is, imho, abhorrent.

when I was a kid I grew up deer hunting but we always ate what we took then one year I got a buck that seemed like it was just looking at me in fear...that was my last hunt,give me jack in the box anytime.
I have no problem with hunting if you eat what you take but never did like trophy hunting and never thought much of the people that do it.

Godfather.

then, for ONCE we agree on something

Pepe Silvia

Paul David wrote:

I remember several years ago I stomped on a bumble bee for no reason. I will always remember that. I still to this day feel guilty about it. "It's just a bumble bee, what's the big deal?", you say? It was a harmless creature doing nothing to bother my day. It was innocently flying by.

I have never killed an animal, and I never will, unless it's for my own self-preservation. I find hunting for sport a disgusting "tradition".

once a roommate had left a window open and a bunch of flys got in the house,he bought a swatter and one day i swatted a bunch then went back to my computer, took a sip of my water, took another sip and as i pulled it away out of the corner of my eye i saw....a dead fly floating in my glass! talk about karma

Godfather.

LG you rock ! so is that two things

Godfather.

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Paul David wrote:

I remember several years ago I stomped on a bumble bee for no reason. I will always remember that. I still to this day feel guilty about it. "It's just a bumble bee, what's the big deal?", you say? It was a harmless creature doing nothing to bother my day. It was innocently flying by.

I have never killed an animal, and I never will, unless it's for my own self-preservation. I find hunting for sport a disgusting "tradition".

once a roommate had left a window open and a bunch of flys got in the house,he bought a swatter and one day i swatted a bunch then went back to my computer, took a sip of my water, took another sip and as i pulled it away out of the corner of my eye i saw....a dead fly floating in my glass! talk about karma

are you the Gieco Gecko ? kidding

Godfather.

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Cree Nations wrote:

I completely agree, it was bullshit "kinda" how they presented it...BUT...it is likely that a pack of wolves would eat you if you were bleeding profusely, were alone, incapacitated and sitting on the side of a mountain. It is very very doubtfull though one would allow himself to be in the situation to begin with....guess thats why its a movie. I love wolves and everything about them

I have had a pack of them right outside my tent bust into wild howling in the middle of the night. Holy shivers up the spine, even when knowing it wasn't a concern. Found their tracks less than 50 feet away the next morning. A couple different packs sang to my wife on her birthday just a month ago as well.

I had a pack of timber wolves do the same thing up in northern Minnesota. It was one of my friends first ever backpack trip and he was pretty freaked out and didn't get much sleep . . . although I'll admit it was a little unnerving even though I knew I didn't have anything to worry about.

BWCA??

cajunkiwi

Godfather. wrote:

when I was a kid I grew up deer hunting but we always ate what we took then one year I got a buck that seemed like it was just looking at me in fear...that was my last hunt,give me jack in the box anytime.
I have no problem with hunting if you eat what you take but never did like trophy hunting and never thought much of the people that do it.

Godfather.

I'm with you - went hunting wild goats once as a kid at a neighbor's place because they were being a pest on his farm. My mate shot and injured a goat but didn't kill it, so he had to slit its throat. The look in its eyes when it saw the knife and the noise it made while trying to get away were enough for me - that was my first, and last, hunting trip. We just superfixed the fence instead.

Godfather.

cajunkiwi wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

when I was a kid I grew up deer hunting but we always ate what we took then one year I got a buck that seemed like it was just looking at me in fear...that was my last hunt,give me jack in the box anytime.
I have no problem with hunting if you eat what you take but never did like trophy hunting and never thought much of the people that do it.

Godfather.

I'm with you - went hunting wild goats once as a kid at a neighbor's place because they were being a pest on his farm. My mate shot and injured a goat but didn't kill it, so he had to slit its throat. The look in its eyes when it saw the knife and the noise it made while trying to get away were enough for me - that was my first, and last, hunting trip. We just superfixed the fence instead.

ha ha ha must a weakness of some sort cause my older relatives ( the elders) would never stand for that, they would have laugh at me back then.

Godfather.

Jason P

mikepegg44 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I had a pack of timber wolves do the same thing up in northern Minnesota. It was one of my friends first ever backpack trip and he was pretty freaked out and didn't get much sleep . . . although I'll admit it was a little unnerving even though I knew I didn't have anything to worry about.

BWCA??

This was on the Superior Hiking Trail up near Tettegouche state park. I do love me some BWCA though.

Speaking of Minnesota, I'll be heading up there in a few weeks to do some hiking on the Border Route Trail.