Survey: Americans don't know much about religion

gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
edited October 2010 in A Moving Train
interesting how we are one of the most religious countries in the world, yet we know less about religion and other religions. i find it striking that agnostics and atheists knew more than a lot of the faithful..kind of like me...been there, learned that and learned enough about other religions to realize none of them fit me and i didn't believe any of it...

Survey: Americans don't know much about religion
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_relig ... eracy_poll

A new survey of Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths.

Forty-five percent of Roman Catholics who participated in the study didn't know that, according to church teaching, the bread and wine used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the body and blood of Christ.

More than half of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the person who inspired the Protestant Reformation. And about four in 10 Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the greatest rabbis and intellectuals in history, was Jewish.

The survey released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life aimed to test a broad range of religious knowledge, including understanding of the Bible, core teachings of different faiths and major figures in religious history. The U.S. is one of the most religious countries in the developed world, especially compared to largely secular Western Europe, but faith leaders and educators have long lamented that Americans still know relatively little about religion.

Respondents to the survey were asked 32 questions with a range of difficulty, including whether they could name the Islamic holy book and the first book of the Bible, or say what century the Mormon religion was founded. On average, participants in the survey answered correctly overall for half of the survey questions.

Atheists and agnostics scored highest, with an average of 21 correct answers, while Jews and Mormons followed with about 20 accurate responses. Protestants overall averaged 16 correct answers, while Catholics followed with a score of about 15.

Not surprisingly, those who said they attended worship at least once a week and considered religion important in their lives often performed better on the overall survey. However, level of education was the best predictor of religious knowledge. The top-performing groups on the survey still came out ahead even when controlling for how much schooling they had completed.

On questions about Christianity, Mormons scored the highest, with an average of about eight correct answers out of 12, followed by white evangelicals, with an average of just over seven correct answers. Jews, along with atheists and agnostics, knew the most about other faiths, such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism. Less than half of Americans know that the Dalai Lama is Buddhist, and less than four in 10 know that Vishnu and Shiva are part of Hinduism.

The study also found that many Americans don't understand constitutional restrictions on religion in public schools. While a majority know that public school teachers cannot lead classes in prayer, less than a quarter know that the U.S. Supreme Court has clearly stated that teachers can read from the Bible as an example of literature.

"Many Americans think the constitutional restrictions on religion in public schools are tighter than they really are," Pew researchers wrote.

The survey of 3,412 people, conducted between May and June of this year, had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, while the margins of error for individual religious groups was higher.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    and politics......most people including myself know very little but yet we continue to debate and have faith that we are right.

    Godfather.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Just based on the ignorant posts in these forums, I wouldn't have quite as much confidence that the non-religious people or agnostics or whatever are any more informed than the religious people.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this is just my opinion and a thought, why do religious non believers attempt to discredit a believers faith
    or the believers them selfs.
    I have noticed that many people on this forum say they do not believe in the God and the savior and at the same time are the first to criticize another's faith..and there is at least one who believes and still criticize another's faith, for those of you that don't believe why do you engage in these topics ? for you if God does not exists why debate his word. ? you do not need to prove to a believer you do not believe,most times a believer will believe you if you do not and the worst that will happen is that somebody might pray for you and you may never even know it.
    just my thought on it.
    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    this is just my opinion and a thought, why do religious non believers attempt to discredit a believers faith
    or the believers them selfs.
    I have noticed that many people on this forum say they do not believe in the God and the savior and at the same time are the first to criticize another's faith..and there is at least one who believes and still criticize another's faith, for those of you that don't believe why do you engage in these topics ? for you if God does not exists why debate his word. ? you do not need to prove to a believer you do not believe,most times a believer will believe you if you do not and the worst that will happen is that somebody might pray for you and you may never even know it.
    just my thought on it.
    Godfather.
    the point of this thread is to discuss the survey. not debate believers vs non believers. my point was it was funny that non-believers did better on the survey, indicating they knew more about more religions than those that claimed to be faithful...and that those with higher education tended to be atheist/agnostic and still did better on the survey than the less educated faithful. why is that? i could say that religion is a tool of the ignorant, but i don't necessarily believe that.

    but to answer your question, i do not want believers in my government making decisions based on faith that affects all of us. like the stem cell research opposition is outrageous to me. the opposition to gay marriage bassed on nothing than religion is not fair and is discriminatory. and the churches stance on women's rights is just dogmatic and asenine. and the catholic church's stance on condoms is so dark ages...
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    this is just my opinion and a thought, why do religious non believers attempt to discredit a believers faith
    or the believers them selfs.
    I have noticed that many people on this forum say they do not believe in the God and the savior and at the same time are the first to criticize another's faith..and there is at least one who believes and still criticize another's faith, for those of you that don't believe why do you engage in these topics ? for you if God does not exists why debate his word. ? you do not need to prove to a believer you do not believe,most times a believer will believe you if you do not and the worst that will happen is that somebody might pray for you and you may never even know it.
    just my thought on it.
    Godfather.
    the point of this thread is to discuss the survey. not debate believers vs non believers. my point was it was funny that non-believers did better on the survey, indicating they knew more about more religions than those that claimed to be faithful...and that those with higher education tended to be atheist/agnostic and still did better on the survey than the less educated faithful. why is that? i could say that religion is a tool of the ignorant, but i don't necessarily believe that.

    but to answer your question, i do not want believers in my government making decisions based on faith that affects all of us. like the stem cell research opposition is outrageous to me. the opposition to gay marriage bassed on nothing than religion is not fair and is discriminatory. and the churches stance on women's rights is just dogmatic and asenine. and the catholic church's stance on condoms is so dark ages...

    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    Godfather. wrote:
    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.
    :lol: Thank you for brightening up my day!
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    nuffingman wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.
    :lol: Thank you for brightening up my day!

    just noticed your avatar. :lol::lol::lol:

    Godfather.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    ..and that those with higher education tended to be atheist/agnostic .... why is that? i could say that religion is a tool of the ignorant, but i don't necessarily believe that...
    That may or may not be true, but this article doesn't make that claim. Reread the part about "controlling for education" without preconception.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    the point of this thread is to discuss the survey. not debate believers vs non believers. my point was it was funny that non-believers did better on the survey, indicating they knew more about more religions than those that claimed to be faithful...and that those with higher education tended to be atheist/agnostic and still did better on the survey than the less educated faithful. why is that? i could say that religion is a tool of the ignorant, but i don't necessarily believe that.

    My theory on it is that Highly educated people need more than just faith to believe something. That isn't to say people who are religious are dumb...far from it, but in this context, The more educated you are the more you enjoy/engage in critical thinking. Measuring one religion against another is a good way to do that...which would explain the agnostics and atheists doing better in answering questions about all religions.
    Also, people who are more educated can simply recall things they have learned better than people with less education, making it easier to answer questions about different faiths. That probably isn't the reason for all of it, but it is a definite correlation.
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  • Not surprising that the "faithful" people no less about other religions than athiests/agnostics... I'm just thinking from experience and people I know, most people are brought up as one religion and stay that way without really thinking about it or checking out alternatives. Agnostic people may have been raised with one religion, but have probably "shopped around" more to see what else is out there (learning more in the process).

    Higher education makes sense as well.. look at most public schools, you get a little info about religious people/events in history classes, but that's it. In college, chances are you either took some sort of world religion class or just learned more detail in history classes.
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  • I wouldn't even say it's just higher education. People who are religious, many times, are so because they are told to be so. My wife, for instance, grew up Roman Catholic. You weren't supposed to question it, you were just supposed to believe. So she did. And still does.

    I am constantly asking her questions about her religion and she sometimes doesn't know the answer. She has a much higher education than I do. She believes what she believes, and I don't think she cares to know all the details of why. She just does.

    I think agnostics and atheists might know more because they have researched it more to try to dispell or prove their belief system at the time. Maybe moreso than your average believer. I would say they turn to their preacher or prayer for answers, not a book.
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  • my brother is the most intelligent and highest educated in my family by FAR, and he is also by far the most religious. I don't think it comes down to higher/lower education. I think it revolves around personality more than that; what you feel your own needs are. Some need religion, some need Pearl Jam.
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    My theory on it is that Highly educated people need more than just faith to believe something. That isn't to say people who are religious are dumb...far from it, but in this context, The more educated you are the more you enjoy/engage in critical thinking. Measuring one religion against another is a good way to do that...which would explain the agnostics and atheists doing better in answering questions about all religions.
    Also, people who are more educated can simply recall things they have learned better than people with less education, making it easier to answer questions about different faiths. That probably isn't the reason for all of it, but it is a definite correlation.
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  • Godfather. wrote:
    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.

    good grief. :|
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    Not surprising that the "faithful" people no less about other religions than athiests/agnostics... I'm just thinking from experience and people I know, most people are brought up as one religion and stay that way without really thinking about it or checking out alternatives. Agnostic people may have been raised with one religion, but have probably "shopped around" more to see what else is out there (learning more in the process).

    Higher education makes sense as well.. look at most public schools, you get a little info about religious people/events in history classes, but that's it. In college, chances are you either took some sort of world religion class or just learned more detail in history classes.
    I agree with your assessment. Also, most Protestant churches probably don't spend a lot of time singing praise about Martin Luther but someone well versed in college level history classes is probably aware of his actions. And while I was growing up, Vishnu and Joe Smith were not common topics of conversation but I became aware of them after continuing my education. Actually, I don't really remember religion being discussed very often in high school. I don't know if that is part of "separation of church and state" or just a crappy curriculum.

    So then, is religion a tool of the ignorant or is education a tool of the privileged? All I know for sure is that this survey is what we thought it was. :D
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  • Godfather. wrote:
    this is just my opinion and a thought, why do religious non believers attempt to discredit a believers faith
    or the believers them selfs.
    I have noticed that many people on this forum say they do not believe in the God and the savior and at the same time are the first to criticize another's faith..and there is at least one who believes and still criticize another's faith, for those of you that don't believe why do you engage in these topics ? for you if God does not exists why debate his word. ? you do not need to prove to a believer you do not believe,most times a believer will believe you if you do not and the worst that will happen is that somebody might pray for you and you may never even know it.
    just my thought on it.
    Godfather.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Paul David wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.

    good grief. :|

    well what would call it ? :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Godfather. wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    and I do not want non believers in my government but seems thats where it's going and my stance on gay marriage is based on my faith but also the thought of 2 men bumping uglies really grosses me out big time
    but as I always say "believe as you wish" and also live as you wish.

    Godfather.

    good grief. :|

    well what would call it ? :lol:

    Godfather.

    it was just stated in a rather, um......juvenile fashion.
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    Jason P wrote:
    All I know for sure is that this survey is what we thought it was. :D
    Was that a Denny Green reference? If so, you're awesome.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't know if the issue is Religion or Faith...
    My take... I don't care what religion you choose to follow... that's your call to make, not mine or anyone else's. I choose not to follow any religion... not so much because of the religion itself... I am more turned off by the 'faithful' that follow religions. I think I wouldn't have such a bad taste in my mouth about religion... if those whom claim to be religious practiced more of what they preached... you know, lived by example, instead of telling me how I should live. Like, if you are going to be throwing your hatred around... don't tell me about your dedication to Jesus.
    ...
    Also... I certainlty do not want religion to be the source of legislation or governance. I can see that in action where the laws of the people are deeply rooted in Holy Text... and I want no part of that.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    MotoDC wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    All I know for sure is that this survey is what we thought it was. :D
    Was that a Denny Green reference? If so, you're awesome.
    Indeed it was. :wave:
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    MotoDC wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    All I know for sure is that this survey is what we thought it was. :D
    Was that a Denny Green reference? If so, you're awesome.


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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    All I know for sure is that this survey is what we thought it was. :D
    Was that a Denny Green reference? If so, you're awesome.


    I have a denny green reference for you, Boogie ... Boogie. If you get that one I know where you are from.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    this is just my opinion and a thought, why do religious non believers attempt to discredit a believers faith
    or the believers them selfs.
    I have noticed that many people on this forum say they do not believe in the God and the savior and at the same time are the first to criticize another's faith..and there is at least one who believes and still criticize another's faith, for those of you that don't believe why do you engage in these topics ? for you if God does not exists why debate his word. ? you do not need to prove to a believer you do not believe,most times a believer will believe you if you do not and the worst that will happen is that somebody might pray for you and you may never even know it.
    just my thought on it.
    Godfather.
    ...
    I think most people will jump into the fray and question you on your beliefs... when your beliefs involve the rest of us. For example, when you use your beliefs against Gays and Lesbians and want to change the law of our land to oppress them, then it becomes a matter of public debate, not of personal belief. In most cases, the Bible is eventually envoked when arguing the issues regarding Gays.
    ...
    I believe most Aetheists and Agnostics don't really care what religion you belong to as long as you do not try to apply your beliefs onto everyone.
    The truth is... no religion knows the truth. No ones knows the truth.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    whats to know?? God is great, thats all that matters.. well.. that and all you fornicators and blasphemers are going to hell.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    whats to know?? God is great, thats all that matters.. well.. that and all you fornicators and blasphemers are going to hell.
    ...
    See you all there.
    Because, seriously... according to most religions, 100% of humanity is going to Hell and the only ones in Heaven are God and Jesus.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Cosmo wrote:
    whats to know?? God is great, thats all that matters.. well.. that and all you fornicators and blasphemers are going to hell.
    ...
    See you all there.
    Because, seriously... according to most religions, 100% of humanity is going to Hell and the only ones in Heaven are God and Jesus.

    ill save you a seat. 8-)

    im kinda hoping its like dantes hell.. cause i surely dont want to be hanging with the deceivers.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Cosmo wrote:
    whats to know?? God is great, thats all that matters.. well.. that and all you fornicators and blasphemers are going to hell.
    ...
    See you all there.
    Because, seriously... according to most religions, 100% of humanity is going to Hell and the only ones in Heaven are God and Jesus.

    ill save you a seat. 8-)

    im kinda hoping its like dantes hell.. cause i surely dont want to be hanging with the deceivers.
    ...
    I want to be where all of the rock and rollers are.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Cosmo wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    See you all there.
    Because, seriously... according to most religions, 100% of humanity is going to Hell and the only ones in Heaven are God and Jesus.

    ill save you a seat. 8-)

    im kinda hoping its like dantes hell.. cause i surely dont want to be hanging with the deceivers.
    ...
    I want to be where all of the rock and rollers are.

    thats a tough one. what do you reckon their greatest unpardonable sin would be?


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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    thats a tough one. what do you reckon their greatest unpardonable sin would be?


    personally ill be hanging in the city of dis.
    ...
    Apparently... being born a human.
    Thanx, Eve... for fucking it up for the rest of us.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Not surprising that the "faithful" people no less about other religions than athiests/agnostics... I'm just thinking from experience and people I know, most people are brought up as one religion and stay that way without really thinking about it or checking out alternatives. Agnostic people may have been raised with one religion, but have probably "shopped around" more to see what else is out there (learning more in the process).

    Higher education makes sense as well.. look at most public schools, you get a little info about religious people/events in history classes, but that's it. In college, chances are you either took some sort of world religion class or just learned more detail in history classes.

    good point. We are all born into a system - ideological, religious, political, and some of us recognize that and try to break down the walls of that system. Some of us are content with living within the confines of the system. What is sad to me are those who fall victim to sheepdom - never confronting the system.
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