Cate it's you and Paul that need to open your eyes to the real world, no offense to both of you but I explained
how it really is,those are the facts there is nothing made up about what I have posted.
Godfather.
amazing how you think you know me and the life ive lead.
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ya know what come to think of it.....most maybe all of the people killed in a situation such as this uselly set them selfs up for what they have received by becoming involved in a life style they know can turn bad, a old friend of mine used to say " if you wanna be known as a crook then hang out with crooks". and then you will get what crooks deserve.....right ?
you have got to be kidding right ??? wtf ? did I say get rid of due process ??? :crazy: :crazy:
Godfather.
"most maybe all of the people killed in a situation such as this usually set them selfs up for what they have received by becoming involved in a life style they know can turn bad"
I said nothing about due process..that comes after.
like said earlier if a person involves them self in something dangerous even just stepping slightly in that circle they set them selfs up for the consequences that are in that circle, for instance if you admire the biker life but don't have the balls to be a biker and befriend a real biker and hang around with him and his friends go for rides parties etc. and a bust comes down on your new friend while you are with him or another club trys to hurt him and your there...guess what.. you just went jail or got your ass beat or worse because YOU put your self in that circle, then you'll be late for work on Monday.
that's all I was saying.
Godfather.
due process comes after.....they are dead???? that doesn't sound very reassuring...
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
hey, I wasn't "attacking your faith". if you can use your faith in your arguments, which you do quite often, I can question it in mine. I don't understand how someone who follows the teachings of Christ can honestly say that if I get shot while SITTING NEXT TO A CRIMINAL I got what I deserved. that is BEYOND ludicrous.
answer: C: none of the above. I wouldn't ever hold his gun for him. I never have, and I never would.
you may never know and thats good but should the time come and you find your self in trouble just by a simple
case of guilt by association then you will understand.
also there you go attacking my faith some of you people on this forum just amaze me...if thats all you have to come back at me with then inside you know I am right in what I have stated.BTW a quick question: if your brother (the gang banger) asked you to hold his gun and all the sudden a bust happens..would you say "it's not mine ..it's my brothers or would you say it's mine and go to jail for your brother ? ...just curious.
Godfather.
do you have faith(believe in God) , serious question I am just wondering and not looking for argument.
Godfather.
do you?? because according to your logic it would be perfectly acceptable to assassinate jesus
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Political assassinations of civilians is already oogey enough.
It's super oogey when they are citizens of your own country.
Obama sure is doing a number on his own popularity.
He already shot his credibility in the foot (or face, i'd argue), why not go ahead and kill his voter base too?
What a goof.
i bet their won't be a shortage of people supporting him next election
You're probably right. Because the average American voter = Clueless, lazy, and stuck on choosing the "lesser of two evils".
Obama is a piece of shit. Idiocracy, here we come!
the point that seems to be getting lost, at least for godfather, is where is the accountability and oversight? oh, there isn't any and won't be any.
if we take his 'gang banger' logic and guilt by association and 'should've been smart enough to know better' and say a cop shoots someone there is supposed to be a panel that investigates the shooting, some times there are even civil and criminal trials....the difference with this is we just have to take them at their word.
i'm sorry, but how can you think all/most/some politicians are liars and corrupt and be so willing to give power like this to ANYONE!?!?
so, maybe you think you can trust obama not to abuse this, cool, but what if someone you dislike and don't trust wins, what then? you've already set the precedent in allowing it to happen.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Cate it's you and Paul that need to open your eyes to the real world, no offense to both of you but I explained
how it really is,those are the facts there is nothing made up about what I have posted.
Godfather.
amazing how you think you know me and the life ive lead.
quote from pep "do you?? because according to your logic it would be perfectly acceptable to assassinate Jesus"
well pep welcome to the debate, this is the dumbest thing Ive seen you post but then again it's just like you to post something like this (always looking for the argument). have a nice day buddy.
Cate it's you and Paul that need to open your eyes to the real world, no offense to both of you but I explained
how it really is,those are the facts there is nothing made up about what I have posted.
Godfather.
amazing how you think you know me and the life ive lead.
yeah sure cate what ever you say.
Godfather.
yeah sure no offense. my eyes are wide open. i understand how it is and i understand how it should be.
i crtainly never said or even intimated anything you said wasnt facts. what i objected to was the inference that just by associating with criminals made one a criminal. the facts as i know them are that is simply not true. but of course my facts are purely anecdotal. they may not be written in stone and corroboraed by science but as i know it, cause was there, theyre facts. yet my father always told me a fact is a lie and a half... so there you go.
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you guys kill me I make a simple statement simply put "if a person involves them selfs in things that can get them hurt or in trouble" then they very well could and at at the point the bottom line is that person should have never put them self in a position of trouble or harm, you forum genius's turn it in to a religious thing and a over blown mess adding and twisting as it goes along.......just freakin dandy. but I am not too surprised.
you guys kill me I make a simple statement simply put "if a person involves them selfs in things that can get them hurt or in trouble" then they very well could and at at the point the bottom line is that person should have never put them self in a position of trouble or harm, you forum genius's turn it in to a religious thing and a over blown mess adding and twisting as it goes along.......just freakin dandy. but I am not too surprised.
Godfather
well i didnt turn it into a religious thing. but you speak as if its a cut and dried thing when its not. you cant just disassociate yourself from people , especially people youve invested yourself in, purely cause they involve themselves in nefarious activities. all you can do is choose not to go that road yourself. though i suppose if your moral compass is put so far out of whack that what they do offends your sensibilites then sure by all means drop them.
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quote from pep "do you?? because according to your logic it would be perfectly acceptable to assassinate Jesus"
well pep welcome to the debate, this is the dumbest thing Ive seen you post but then again it's just like you to post something like this (always looking for the argument). have a nice day buddy.
Godfather.
is it? at least i can take pride in the fact that i didn't say anything stupid like you did in saying they can get their due process AFTER they have been killed!
anyway, it's just like you to make attacks instead of addressing the points.
and how is it stupid? i am taking it from this exchange:
oh i see so its guilt by association then is it? superfantastic! :roll:
in some cases yes.....if someone is going to play the game they better know the rules.
in a bank robbery the get-a-way driver goes to prison too.....right ?
Godfather.
jesus was said to have hung out with some questionable people and according to you in some cases just being around a criminal is enough to get you killed so where do you draw that line?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
quote from pep "do you?? because according to your logic it would be perfectly acceptable to assassinate Jesus"
well pep welcome to the debate, this is the dumbest thing Ive seen you post but then again it's just like you to post something like this (always looking for the argument). have a nice day buddy.
Godfather.
is it? at least i can take pride in the fact that i didn't say anything stupid like you did in saying they can get their due process AFTER they have been killed!
anyway, it's just like you to make attacks instead of addressing the points.
and how is it stupid? i am taking it from this exchange:
oh i see so its guilt by association then is it? superfantastic! :roll:
in some cases yes.....if someone is going to play the game they better know the rules.
in a bank robbery the get-a-way driver goes to prison too.....right ?
Godfather.
Jesus was said to have hung out with some questionable people and according to you in some cases just being around a criminal is enough to get you killed so where do you draw that line?
I never said after they were dead Pep and this"Jesus was said to have hung out with some questionable people and according to you in some cases just being around a criminal is enough to get you killed so where do you draw that line?[/quote]"
is this your only avenue for attack on my statement..by using my faith ? so again if you do not believe why would you use Jesus' name for an example ? makes no sense.
re-read my first post and think about it I am not off base with what I had posted it's when people add to and twist my post around that turns it into a go nowhere argument.
no, you didn't say it "COULD" get them in trouble, you said they might get what they deserve/is coming to them. HUGE difference.
I brought up faith, if you notice, in a sarcastic manner, because it's such a significant part of most of your arguments. It wasn't my intent to put your faith on trial, I was merely drawing an interesting hypocritical stance as I saw it, given what you have spouted about in the past. it's not about your faith, it's about your past positions. if you can bring up faith ad nauseum, then so can I.
So why all of a sudden you aren't addressing our other points? Or the fact that you totally contradicted yourself and I called you on it?
you guys kill me I make a simple statement simply put "if a person involves them selfs in things that can get them hurt or in trouble" then they very well could and at at the point the bottom line is that person should have never put them self in a position of trouble or harm, you forum genius's turn it in to a religious thing and a over blown mess adding and twisting as it goes along.......just freakin dandy. but I am not too surprised.
Godfather
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no, you didn't say it "COULD" get them in trouble, you said they might get what they deserve/is coming to them. HUGE difference.
I brought up faith, if you notice, in a sarcastic manner, because it's such a significant part of most of your arguments. It wasn't my intent to put your faith on trial, I was merely drawing an interesting hypocritical stance as I saw it, given what you have spouted about in the past. it's not about your faith, it's about your past positions. if you can bring up faith ad nauseum, then so can I.
So why all of a sudden you aren't addressing our other points? Or the fact that you totally contradicted yourself and I called you on it?
you guys kill me I make a simple statement simply put "if a person involves them selfs in things that can get them hurt or in trouble" then they very well could and at at the point the bottom line is that person should have never put them self in a position of trouble or harm, you forum genius's turn it in to a religious thing and a over blown mess adding and twisting as it goes along.......just freakin dandy. but I am not too surprised.
Godfather
my point in my first post was pretty simple really, to me it's a bottom line simple idea,"everything we do and places we go and people we meet bring us to where we are at today it's about the choices we have made in our liefs that ultimately bring us to this day.
my point in my first post was pretty simple really, to me it's a bottom line simple idea,"everything we do and places we go and people we meet bring us to where we are at today it's about the choices we have made in our liefs that ultimately bring us to this day.
Godfather.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
my point in my first post was pretty simple really, to me it's a bottom line simple idea,"everything we do and places we go and people we meet bring us to where we are at today it's about the choices we have made in our liefs that ultimately bring us to this day.
Godfather.
that was good. I take it you disagree with my thought.
is this your only avenue for attack on my statement..by using my faith ? so again if you do not believe why would you use Jesus' name for an example ? makes no sense.
re-read my first post and think about it I am not off base with what I had posted it's when people add to and twist my post around that turns it into a go nowhere argument.
Godfather.
nice deflection :roll:
i brought up jesus not because of your faith, you poor, poor martyr, you, but because it's a valid point. YOU said:
"a old friend of mine used to say " if you wanna be known as a crook then hang out with crooks". and then you will get what crooks deserve.....right ?"
jesus hung out with questionable people so in your mind he would deserve to be treated badly
try to follow me here
this is a thread about an assassination program, if you didn't know that means to KILL someone
YOU said:
"ya know what come to think of it.....most maybe all of the people killed in a situation such as this uselly set them selfs up for what they have received by becoming involved in a life style they know can turn bad, a old friend of mine used to say " if you wanna be known as a crook then hang out with crooks". and then you will get what crooks deserve.....right ?
Godfather."
to which paul david brought up due process to which you replied:
"I said nothing about due process..that comes after."
so what did you mean by 'after'??
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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due process comes after.....they are dead???? that doesn't sound very reassuring...
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
do you?? because according to your logic it would be perfectly acceptable to assassinate jesus
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Obama is a piece of shit. Idiocracy, here we come!
if we take his 'gang banger' logic and guilt by association and 'should've been smart enough to know better' and say a cop shoots someone there is supposed to be a panel that investigates the shooting, some times there are even civil and criminal trials....the difference with this is we just have to take them at their word.
i'm sorry, but how can you think all/most/some politicians are liars and corrupt and be so willing to give power like this to ANYONE!?!?
so, maybe you think you can trust obama not to abuse this, cool, but what if someone you dislike and don't trust wins, what then? you've already set the precedent in allowing it to happen.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
yeah sure cate what ever you say.
Godfather.
well pep welcome to the debate, this is the dumbest thing Ive seen you post but then again it's just like you to post something like this (always looking for the argument). have a nice day buddy.
Godfather.
yeah sure no offense. my eyes are wide open. i understand how it is and i understand how it should be.
i crtainly never said or even intimated anything you said wasnt facts. what i objected to was the inference that just by associating with criminals made one a criminal. the facts as i know them are that is simply not true. but of course my facts are purely anecdotal. they may not be written in stone and corroboraed by science but as i know it, cause was there, theyre facts. yet my father always told me a fact is a lie and a half... so there you go.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Godfather
Godfather.
well i didnt turn it into a religious thing. but you speak as if its a cut and dried thing when its not. you cant just disassociate yourself from people , especially people youve invested yourself in, purely cause they involve themselves in nefarious activities. all you can do is choose not to go that road yourself. though i suppose if your moral compass is put so far out of whack that what they do offends your sensibilites then sure by all means drop them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
is it? at least i can take pride in the fact that i didn't say anything stupid like you did in saying they can get their due process AFTER they have been killed!
anyway, it's just like you to make attacks instead of addressing the points.
and how is it stupid? i am taking it from this exchange:
jesus was said to have hung out with some questionable people and according to you in some cases just being around a criminal is enough to get you killed so where do you draw that line?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I never said after they were dead Pep and this"Jesus was said to have hung out with some questionable people and according to you in some cases just being around a criminal is enough to get you killed so where do you draw that line?[/quote]"
is this your only avenue for attack on my statement..by using my faith ? so again if you do not believe why would you use Jesus' name for an example ? makes no sense.
re-read my first post and think about it I am not off base with what I had posted it's when people add to and twist my post around that turns it into a go nowhere argument.
Godfather.
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Godfather.
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St. Paul 2014
I brought up faith, if you notice, in a sarcastic manner, because it's such a significant part of most of your arguments. It wasn't my intent to put your faith on trial, I was merely drawing an interesting hypocritical stance as I saw it, given what you have spouted about in the past. it's not about your faith, it's about your past positions. if you can bring up faith ad nauseum, then so can I.
So why all of a sudden you aren't addressing our other points? Or the fact that you totally contradicted yourself and I called you on it?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
my point in my first post was pretty simple really, to me it's a bottom line simple idea,"everything we do and places we go and people we meet bring us to where we are at today it's about the choices we have made in our liefs that ultimately bring us to this day.
Godfather.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
that was good.
Godfather.
nice deflection :roll:
i brought up jesus not because of your faith, you poor, poor martyr, you, but because it's a valid point. YOU said:
"a old friend of mine used to say " if you wanna be known as a crook then hang out with crooks". and then you will get what crooks deserve.....right ?"
jesus hung out with questionable people so in your mind he would deserve to be treated badly
try to follow me here
this is a thread about an assassination program, if you didn't know that means to KILL someone
YOU said:
"ya know what come to think of it.....most maybe all of the people killed in a situation such as this uselly set them selfs up for what they have received by becoming involved in a life style they know can turn bad, a old friend of mine used to say " if you wanna be known as a crook then hang out with crooks". and then you will get what crooks deserve.....right ?
Godfather."
to which paul david brought up due process to which you replied:
"I said nothing about due process..that comes after."
so what did you mean by 'after'??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'