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musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited October 2010 in Other Music
So, he is among the most hated and maligned artists in recent memory, yet a ton of buzz bands and influential bands right now like Sleigh Bells, and Neon Indian have expressed admiration at Phil's work.

I gotta say, ive always been a fan of In the Air Tonight, and the genesis song No Son Of Mine is pretty devasting.


Anyone a fan?
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  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    I don't know a whole lot of his catalog, but he has some great songs. Never really ever heard of people hating on phil collins. On this board maybe, but as far I know he is pretty well admired in the music industry and he is in the hall of fame with Genesis. I think he permanately retired though due to hearing loss. I think his hearing was bad enough to where he had to get hearing aids and he chose to retire after all the damage playing music did to his hearing.

    some of my faves:

    wish it would rain down
    another day in paradise
    I can't dance ( with Genesis)
    I don't care anymore
    Man on the corner
    Against all odds

    Brilliant songs in my opinion.
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  • jamburgerjamburger Posts: 1,775
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    So, he is among the most hated and maligned artists in recent memory,

    By whom, and what is their reasoning?
  • edvedderrocksedvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    He "retired" because he had major back surgery and it was suggested that he is no longer able to play the drums. He is now onto singing "oldies" which is unfortunate. I think he is an extremely talented drummer, writer and singer. Have listened to him for years and am a fan of Genesis as well.

    I don't think he is hated by the music community. I would have to think the opposite. He hasn't ever done anything to warrant disrespect, and had a really long career that sold out stadiums... He has had success on broadway and written various songs for children movies.

    Just because it isn't Pearl Jam's kind of music, doesn't make it bad. Just different. ;) I like him.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    south park has made fun of him, and as crazy as it sounds, south park really has alot of pull and power and oddly is usually finds the pulse of an issue.

    additionally, phil collins himself has stated he views his work, or thinks people view his work as a joke. thats his own statement.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    additionally, how many friends do you have who say "i love phil collins stuff, and the genesis stuff"? How many bands other than the ones i listed, have said their sound is inspired by phil collins.

    he;s influential no doubt, but thats what i mean when i say maligned.

    in the air tonight isnt talked about in terms of its greatness. its talked about in terms of the em shoutout on stan, and is linked to the 1980's. people hate the 1980's.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I'm sorry, I think 'In The Air Tonight' is one of the most overrated songs ever written. It doesn't go anywhere.
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  • edvedderrocksedvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    Just because he hasn't inspired anyone that you know of, doesn't mean he isn't any good. It's a different genre of music. I have many friends who like Phil Collins and Genesis. I have one who is an incredible drummer and grew up playing Phil Collins and Genesis. Don't judge him on "In the Air Tonight" and Genesis on "I Can't Dance". You should know by being a Pearl Jam fan that the best stuff are the ones that doesn't go mainstream on the radio.

    And by the way, I love 80"s music... :D
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    additionally, how many friends do you have who say "i love phil collins stuff, and the genesis stuff"? How many bands other than the ones i listed, have said their sound is inspired by phil collins.

    he;s influential no doubt, but thats what i mean when i say maligned.

    in the air tonight isnt talked about in terms of its greatness. its talked about in terms of the em shoutout on stan, and is linked to the 1980's. people hate the 1980's.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i own phil collins albums.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    I'm a PC fan and I love Genesis. His music hasn't been a major factor of late due to my changing musical tastes. In the 80's and early 90's I was all seeing him and Genesis Live I did however skip Genesis's last tour in that was all about the $$$.

    Say didn't Phill Collins win an Academy Award for song he wrote for some movie.

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  • Of The AggieOf The Aggie The ATX Posts: 1,541
    I like Phil Collins. I play his greatest hits CD a lot. Then again I loved 80s music. I think the backlash against Phil Collins and even Genesis for that matter, stems mostly from the fact that they evolved from a well-respected prog rock band in the 70s to a radio-friendly pop band and then Phil as a solo artist of the 80s. A lot of people dismiss 80s music as fluff and without substance but as a child of the 80s, I sure as hell like it better than most of the crap that passes for pop music today.
  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I'm sorry, I think 'In The Air Tonight' is one of the most overrated songs ever written. It doesn't go anywhere.
    All about the tension.
  • CobCob Posts: 858
    Phil Collins as a singer is okay, but anyone who knows anything about rock and roll knows he was a very good drummer, he not only played with Genesis, but as a session musician Brand X, Brian Eno, John Cale, Robert Fripp, he is/was a very good drummer.
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  • lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,039
    Some great songs :
    Roof is leaking
    This must be love
    Home by the sea
    I don't care anymore
    The west side
    Turn it on
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    The first solo album of Phil's is quite good. I own it, plus a bunch of Phil (and Peter) era Genesis.
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  • jamburgerjamburger Posts: 1,775
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    south park has made fun of him, and as crazy as it sounds, south park really has alot of pull and power and oddly is usually finds the pulse of an issue.

    additionally, phil collins himself has stated he views his work, or thinks people view his work as a joke. thats his own statement.

    Alright, South Park's is the opinion of a bunch of comedy writers who may not like where his career has gone in terms of say, the covers album (they also seem to have the same problem with Rod Stewart). I personally moved away from his music when it became 90% ballad and Disney songs, but his '80's output was great and that includes Genesis' Invisible Touch. The '80s WERE pop music and has been the butt of the joke for a long time, but that's what a lot of people listened to and still do whether they admit it or not.
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    additionally, how many friends do you have who say "i love phil collins stuff, and the genesis stuff"? How many bands other than the ones i listed, have said their sound is inspired by phil collins.

    he;s influential no doubt, but thats what i mean when i say maligned.

    in the air tonight isnt talked about in terms of its greatness. its talked about in terms of the em shoutout on stan, and is linked to the 1980's. people hate the 1980's.

    I have never had a friend or heard anyone say "I hate Phil Collins" and the fact that In The Air Tonight is referenced in a rap song and still used in movies and advertising nearly 30 years later should be enough to speak of it's greatness.

    Phil Collins also stated in regard to their (Genesis') poor reviews over the years that they must be doing something right because they still sell.
  • jamburgerjamburger Posts: 1,775
    Collins' singles from the '80s (from Wiki)...

    "In the Air Tonight" · "I Missed Again" · "If Leaving Me Is Easy" · "Thru These Walls" · "You Can't Hurry Love" · "I Don't Care Anymore" · "Don't Let Him Steal Your Heart Away" · "Why Can't It Wait 'Til Morning" · "I Cannot Believe It's True" · "Like China" · "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)" · "Easy Lover" · "One More Night" · "Sussudio" · "Don't Lose My Number" · "Separate Lives" · "Take Me Home" · "In the Air Tonight" (remix) · "A Groovy Kind of Love" · "Two Hearts" · "Another Day in Paradise" · "I Wish It Would Rain Down" · "Something Happened on the Way to Heaven" · "That's Just the Way It Is" · "Do You Remember?" · "Hang in Long Enough" · "Who Said I Would" ·
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    south park has made fun of him, and as crazy as it sounds, south park really has alot of pull and power and oddly is usually finds the pulse of an issue.


    I was going to weigh in on this subject, until I read this.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    The 80's was the bomb and this song by Genesis live was one of my favorite...

    Man On The Corner

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    south park has made fun of him, and as crazy as it sounds, south park really has alot of pull and power and oddly is usually finds the pulse of an issue.

    I don't know how much pull or power South Park has but I've never watched or heard of them till I saw this at a show.....

    South Park Intro

    Peace
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Pseud-pseud-pseudiooooooooo :lol:
  • jamburgerjamburger Posts: 1,775
    Patrick Bateman wrote:
    Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

    Christy, take off your robe.

    Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument.

    Sabrina, remove your dress.

    In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.

    Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little.

    Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

    Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole.

    Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds.

    Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it.

    But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
  • acrossssSsssshitttacrossssSsssshittt Posts: 1,014
    between the ages of about 9 and 12 I was obsessed with Phil Collins... I still dig his music... nostalgia mostly, but otherwise too... solid vocals and always good rythum
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,953
    Phil collins invented that cold, over-gated, 80's style, drum production. That over controlled sound kills and dates a lot of 80's music to me.

    That's my only beef with him, initializing a decade of shit-production.
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    All my 'credible' indie music friends hate him - but I like his songs - is a very moving songwriter (Solo work) - it's just he has a 'soft' sound - not very macho to like Phil Collins!!

    His lovesongs though are brilliant if you have the ear to hear him. I heard against all odd coming over a megaplaza tannoy the other day, and it instantly gave me goosebumps..... I don't know loads of his stuff, but a very evocative songwriter if you can stomach him
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Pseud-pseud-pseudiooooooooo :lol:

    What the hell does that mean anyway?? Can anyone tell me?

    You could definitely argue the man perfected cheesy pop music with Genesis and solo. (Invisible Touch? Something happened on the way to Heaven? Really Phil?) But I'll say I still turn it up to 11 for his duet with Philip Bailey. Easy Lover - that was my rollerskating jam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kDmnHyOBg
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    gabers wrote:
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Pseud-pseud-pseudiooooooooo :lol:

    What the hell does that mean anyway?? Can anyone tell me?

    You could definitely argue the man perfected cheesy pop music with Genesis and solo. (Invisible Touch? Something happened on the way to Heaven? Really Phil?) But I'll say I still turn it up to 11 for his duet with Philip Bailey. Easy Lover - that was my rollerskating jam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kDmnHyOBg


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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,478
    phill collins
    his first two solo records are fantasic
    and I really liked lamb lies down, seconds out, abacab, studio disc on three sides live and a couple of tracks from genesis-invisible touch was terrible

    I think it was when he did against all odds, that his music turned poppy and mushy
    If he is maligned, it is because a lot of younger folks remember him for the work he did after 1985-which was not as good (IMHO) as his earlier work

    I saw him back in 85 and it was a fantastic show-chester thompson and phil dueling drums, the power of "I dont care anymore" and the tower of power horns kicking but on "I cannot believe its true"

    Saw him again in like 89 and it was more like a dick clark production

    But the man is immensely talented-if you were around in 85 and you saw him play BOTH live aid shows, then you know what I am talking about.

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    he's cool pretty damn awesome really
    a favorite of the 80's for me
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    Cob wrote:
    Phil Collins as a singer is okay, but anyone who knows anything about rock and roll knows he was a very good drummer, he not only played with Genesis, but as a session musician Brand X, Brian Eno, John Cale, Robert Fripp, he is/was a very good drummer.

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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    In fairness to him, he did a good job producing John Martyn's Grace and Danger album, for which he also played drums:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcu6HBoifs
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