U.N. experts: Israel flotilla raid broke int'l law

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  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    Fine "they did" do things worthy of criticism. That in no way alters my point. The council's mandate is to cover human rights across the globe, and yet, despite violations all over the place, the council's ONLY TARGET FOR CRITICISM IS ISRAEL. If that is not a sign of bias, I don't know what is.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    there is a direct correlation, almost 1:1 between US aid to a country and its level of human rights abuses.



    Israel, leading the list in US aid, is no exception to that fact.
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    What does that have to do with anything?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:
    there is a direct correlation, almost 1:1 between US aid to a country and its level of human rights abuses.



    Israel, leading the list in US aid, is no exception to that fact.
    so then does that mean the us is indirectly funding the blockade?

    i would have to agree if that is what you are saying...

    i mean we are already giving them planes at a reduced cost, so we are definitely enabling their military actions..
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  • http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e26434.htm

    Israel Used 'Incredible Violence' Against Gaza Aid Flotilla, Says UN Human Rights Council

    Israeli troops broke international law by storming an aid flotilla bound for Gaza, according to a UN inquiry, which found that the killings of activists on-board were comparable to "summary executions".

    By Jon Swaine in New York and Adrian Blomfield in Jerusalem

    September 23, 2010 "The Telegraph" - - The sharply critical report found there was "clear evidence to support prosecutions" against Israel for "wilful killing" and torture committed in the raid on the flotilla on May 31. Nine activists on a Turkish ship were killed as they attempted to breach the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza.
    However, Israel brushed aside the findings of the UN Human Rights Council, which it has consistently denounced as biased against the Jewish state.

    A spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry accused the body of having a "politicised and extremist approach," adding: "The Human Rights Council blamed Israel prior to the investigation and it is no surprise that they condemn after."

    The investigation mounted by the Council has largely been superseded by a separate inquiry launched by Ban Ki-Moon, the UN secretary general, which has won the backing of the United States, Britain and much of the international community.

    This investigation, which is being headed by Geoffrey Palmer, the former prime minister of New Zealand, has yet to report its findings.

    In an unprecedented move, Israel agreed to co-operate with Mr Palmer's inquiry in August, largely in an attempt to diminish the credibility of the Human Rights Council investigation.

    Israel maintains that its soldiers acted in self-defence after coming under attack from activists wielding clubs, axes and metal rods.

    However the report found that Israeli commandos' response to the flotilla was disproportionate and "betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality".

    "The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel towards the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence," the report said.

    "The circumstances of the killing of at least six of the passengers were in a manner consistent with an extralegal, arbitrary and summary execution," it added.

    The 56-page report also said that the Israeli blockade was itself unlawful, because of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, meaning Israel's claim that it was entitled to use force to defend the blockade should be dismissed.

    The Human Rights Council, a subsidiary body of the UN General Assembly, has courted controversy for its excessive focus on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    While it has passed over a dozen resolutions condemning Israel since it was created in 2006, the council has been more reluctant to censure states such as Sudan, which has been accused of serious human rights violations in Darfur.

    The United States withdrew from the council in 2008 but rejoined when President Barack Obama became president last year.

    Israel, which has also launched its own domestic inquiry into the raid on the aid flotilla, refused to co-operate with the council's probe.

    But Hamas, the Islamist group which controls Gaza, welcomed the inquiry's findings and called on the international community to take action by bringing Israeli commanders involved in the raid to trial.

    The inquiry was completed by Karl Hudson-Phillips, a former judge of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Desmond de Silva, a former chief prosecutor of the Sierra Leone War Crimes Tribunal, and Shanthi Dairiam, as Malaysian human rights expert.
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  • saw shimon peres on hannity friday or saturday....naturally he blamed the report on being anti-semetic and therefor shouldn't be believed. he went on how there are things that happen in iraq, darfur, south america....so why only focus on what happens with israel? because there's an anti-israel agenda in the un, duuuuuuuuh
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  • http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/un-two-me ... -shot.html

    UN: Two men killed on ‘Mavi Marmara’ were holding cameras when they were shot

    by Philip Weiss on September 25, 2010

    We've failed to post anything on the United Nations Human Rights Council's report issued three days ago on the Israeli raid on the Gaza flotilla last May that found that Israel had committed grave violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law. But big deal we're late--the mainstream media have largely ignored the report.

    I have to read the report through. But here's the UN link. I see that the report describes the operation as disproportionate, with "unnecessary and incredible" violence, and "an unacceptable level of brutality."

    And glancing at the narrative, the report finds that two of the 9 men killed in the raid, including American Furkan Dogan, were holding cameras and using them to film the Israeli invaders when they were shot. Additionally-- despite the sticks and catapults that some passengers used on the commandos-- the four people killed on the lower, bridge deck were not posing any physical threat to the raiders, who were then on the top deck, and in fact were trying to get out of the way.

    Also notice the description of Gaza conditions as an unacceptable disgrace in the 21st century and the poetical language about Jewish victimhood (as I read it anyway) near the end-- Jews must find the strength to pluck from their memory rooted sorrows. Excerpts:

    The Mission does not find it plausible that soldiers were holding their weapons and firing as they descended on the rope [from the helicopter]. However, it has concluded that live ammunition was used from the helicopter onto the top deck prior to the descent of the soldiers.... Further, the Mission finds that the Israeli accounts so inconsistent and contradictory with regard to evidence of alleged firearms injuries to Israeli soldiers that it has to reject it..

    At least one of those killed [on the top deck, American Furkan Dogan] was using a video camera and not involved in any of the fighting with the soldiers....

    Israeli soldiers fired live ammunition both from the top deck at passengers on the bridge deck below and after they had moved down to the bridge deck. At least four passengers were killed,73 and at least nine injured (five with firearms injuries) during this phase. None of the four passengers who were killed, including a photographer who at the time of being shot was engaged in taking photographs [Cevdet Kiliclar] and was shot by an Israeli soldier positioned on the top deck above, posed any threat to the Israeli forces. There was considerable live fire from Israeli soldiers on the top deck and a number of passengers were injured or killed whilst trying to take refuge inside the door or assisting other to do so...

    The Mission is not alone in finding that a deplorable situation exists in Gaza. It has been characterized as ‘unsustainable’. This is totally intolerable and unacceptable in the 21st Century. It is amazing that anyone could characterise the condition of the people there as satisfying the most basic of acceptable standards. The parties and the international community are urged to find the solution that will address all legitimate security concern of
    both Israel and the people of Palestine both of whom are equally entitled to “their place under the heavens”. The apparent dichotomy in this case between the competing right of security and the right to a decent living can only be resolved if old antagonisms are subordinated to a sense of justice and fair play. One has to find the strength to pluck from the memory rooted sorrows and to move on....

    It is hoped that there will be swift action by the Government of Israel. This will go a long way to reversing the regrettable reputation which that country has for impunity and intransigence in international affairs.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Commy wrote:
    there is a direct correlation, almost 1:1 between US aid to a country and its level of human rights abuses.



    Israel, leading the list in US aid, is no exception to that fact.
    so then does that mean the us is indirectly funding the blockade?

    i would have to agree if that is what you are saying...

    i mean we are already giving them planes at a reduced cost, so we are definitely enabling their military actions..

    yes. thats exactly what it means. when you enable oppressive behaviour you are indirectly responsible.
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  • Commy wrote:
    there is a direct correlation, almost 1:1 between US aid to a country and its level of human rights abuses.



    Israel, leading the list in US aid, is no exception to that fact.
    so then does that mean the us is indirectly funding the blockade?

    i would have to agree if that is what you are saying...

    i mean we are already giving them planes at a reduced cost, so we are definitely enabling their military actions..

    yes. thats exactly what it means. when you enable oppressive behaviour you are indirectly responsible.


    weren't the white phosphorous rounds used in operation cast lead traced back to the us? technically it's illegal for the us to give aid to israel because of their secret, undeclared nuclear program and its human rights abuses against civilians with weapons we sell them
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    weren't the white phosphorous rounds used in operation cast lead traced back to the us? technically it's illegal for the us to give aid to israel because of their secret, undeclared nuclear program and its human rights abuses against civilians with weapons we sell them

    illegal... its such a subjective word dont you think??? ;)
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