It's interesting. The official investigations found that the attack was a mistake. There are those that disagree. No one here can really say what truly happened. But everyone is uncritically jumping on the "Israel is the bad guy" bandwagon. I think that says a lot.
and what of the lavon affair (ie operation susannah), yosi??
The Lavon affair - also known locally as esek habish, "the rotten business" - was a plan to discredit Egypt's government, then headed by Gamal Abdel Nasser, by bombing theaters, post offices and U.S. and British institutions, and making it seem as though Egypt was behind the bombings. The thinking in Israel at the time was that if the British were to give up control of the Suez Canal, it would be left in Egypt's hands, putting Cairo in a better position to exert pressure on Israel.
The agents were told "to undermine the West's trust in the [Egyptian] government by causing public insecurity" while concealing Israel's role in the sabotage.
On July 2, 1954, a firebomb rattled a post office in Alexandria, Egypt. The following week, bombs tore through a British theater and the U.S. Information Agency libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. As it turned out, they were surreptitiously carried out by Israel, which named the plot Operation Susannah. The idea was to blame the attacks on local insurgents, which would make Egypt look too unstable for British troops to withdraw from the Suez Canal inside two years, as planned. But Egyptian authorities traced the bombings back to nine Egyptian Jews who had been recruited by Israeli military intelligence to target sites frequented by Westerners.
eh????
i don't mean to just ask yosi, others can feel free to chime in.....ogre? rafie? electronic delta? where ya guys at???
hmmmmm....kinda telling that none of the israel supporters will comment on this, i guess it's easier to make jokes about lunar landings, illuminati and other things instead of saying anything about this, eh? not even a condemnation or anything?
but then what did i expect? many israeli's think of the people who committed the lavon affair as heros
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
The Lavon affair - also known locally as esek habish, "the rotten business" - was a plan to discredit Egypt's government, then headed by Gamal Abdel Nasser, by bombing theaters, post offices and U.S. and British institutions, and making it seem as though Egypt was behind the bombings. The thinking in Israel at the time was that if the British were to give up control of the Suez Canal, it would be left in Egypt's hands, putting Cairo in a better position to exert pressure on Israel.
The agents were told "to undermine the West's trust in the [Egyptian] government by causing public insecurity" while concealing Israel's role in the sabotage.
On July 2, 1954, a firebomb rattled a post office in Alexandria, Egypt. The following week, bombs tore through a British theater and the U.S. Information Agency libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. As it turned out, they were surreptitiously carried out by Israel, which named the plot Operation Susannah. The idea was to blame the attacks on local insurgents, which would make Egypt look too unstable for British troops to withdraw from the Suez Canal inside two years, as planned. But Egyptian authorities traced the bombings back to nine Egyptian Jews who had been recruited by Israeli military intelligence to target sites frequented by Westerners.
eh????
i don't mean to just ask yosi, others can feel free to chime in.....ogre? rafie? electronic delta? where ya guys at???
hmmmmm....kinda telling that none of the israel supporters will comment on this, i guess it's easier to make jokes about lunar landings, illuminati and other things instead of saying anything about this, eh? not even a condemnation or anything?
but then what did i expect? many israeli's think of the people who committed the lavon affair as heros
here is an example of how many jews glorify the acts of these terrorists. check out the opening and ending paragraph to the jewish virtual library's entry on the lavon affair. the site claims to be the most comprehensive online jewish encyclopedia in the world
1st paragraph:
This week we will be discussing a spy story in Israel's early years that left a nasty mark on the young state, with reverberations for the following 20 years. It was called the "Lavon Affair," after Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon, "Esek HaBish" or "The Mishap". It revolved around nearly a dozen highly dedicated young Egyptian Jews who were asked, and agreed to spy for Israel against the country in which they were born. Why they were caught and more or less abandoned by Israel to incarceration and for a while, torture in Egypt's prisons to be finally released only 14 years later is a question that has never been answered. This story, known as "Operation Susannah," is thus one of idealism and self-sacrifice, as well as abandonment and an unwillingness to take responsibility.
last paragraph:
In March 2005, nearly 40 years after their release from Egyptian prisons, Marcelle Ninio, Robert Dassa, and Meir Zafran were given military ranks in the IDF in recognition of their service to the State of Israel. They are the last three surviving members of Operation Susannah, and are finally receving awards for their years of suffering. It took several years for Israel to acknowledge that it had trained a group of Egyptian Jews to carry out espionage activities in Cairo and Alexandria. The group was released in February 1968, but was unknown to the Israeli public until 1971 when Golda Meir announced she would attend Ninio's wedding. Dassa believes that his rank is the culmination of the wishes of his deceased comrades, who wanted the survivors not to rest “until the State of Israel recognizes all of us.”
i LOVE how this site constantly refers to them as a 'spy ring' idealism? sel-sacrifice?? spy ring??? are you fucking kidding me!? they were nothing but terrorists. from now on anytime they say hamas or palestinians are terrorists say no, they are a spy ring!
the entry doesn't even mention that this 'spy ring' blew up some buildings until the 21st paragraph!
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
here is an example of how many jews glorify the acts of these terrorists. check out the opening and ending paragraph to the jewish virtual library's entry on the lavon affair. the site claims to be the most comprehensive online jewish encyclopedia in the world
1st paragraph:
This week we will be discussing a spy story in Israel's early years that left a nasty mark on the young state, with reverberations for the following 20 years. It was called the "Lavon Affair," after Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon, "Esek HaBish" or "The Mishap". It revolved around nearly a dozen highly dedicated young Egyptian Jews who were asked, and agreed to spy for Israel against the country in which they were born. Why they were caught and more or less abandoned by Israel to incarceration and for a while, torture in Egypt's prisons to be finally released only 14 years later is a question that has never been answered. This story, known as "Operation Susannah," is thus one of idealism and self-sacrifice, as well as abandonment and an unwillingness to take responsibility.
last paragraph:
In March 2005, nearly 40 years after their release from Egyptian prisons, Marcelle Ninio, Robert Dassa, and Meir Zafran were given military ranks in the IDF in recognition of their service to the State of Israel. They are the last three surviving members of Operation Susannah, and are finally receving awards for their years of suffering. It took several years for Israel to acknowledge that it had trained a group of Egyptian Jews to carry out espionage activities in Cairo and Alexandria. The group was released in February 1968, but was unknown to the Israeli public until 1971 when Golda Meir announced she would attend Ninio's wedding. Dassa believes that his rank is the culmination of the wishes of his deceased comrades, who wanted the survivors not to rest “until the State of Israel recognizes all of us.”
i LOVE how this site constantly refers to them as a 'spy ring' idealism? sel-sacrifice?? spy ring??? are you fucking kidding me!? they were nothing but terrorists. from now on anytime they say hamas or palestinians are terrorists say no, they are a spy ring!
the entry doesn't even mention that this 'spy ring' blew up some buildings until the 21st paragraph!
George W. Bush: "Either you're with us, or you're with the spy ring!"
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hmmmmm....kinda telling that none of the israel supporters will comment on this, i guess it's easier to make jokes about lunar landings, illuminati and other things instead of saying anything about this, eh? not even a condemnation or anything?
but then what did i expect? many israeli's think of the people who committed the lavon affair as heros
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
here is an example of how many jews glorify the acts of these terrorists. check out the opening and ending paragraph to the jewish virtual library's entry on the lavon affair. the site claims to be the most comprehensive online jewish encyclopedia in the world
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... lavon.html
1st paragraph:
This week we will be discussing a spy story in Israel's early years that left a nasty mark on the young state, with reverberations for the following 20 years. It was called the "Lavon Affair," after Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon, "Esek HaBish" or "The Mishap". It revolved around nearly a dozen highly dedicated young Egyptian Jews who were asked, and agreed to spy for Israel against the country in which they were born. Why they were caught and more or less abandoned by Israel to incarceration and for a while, torture in Egypt's prisons to be finally released only 14 years later is a question that has never been answered. This story, known as "Operation Susannah," is thus one of idealism and self-sacrifice, as well as abandonment and an unwillingness to take responsibility.
last paragraph:
In March 2005, nearly 40 years after their release from Egyptian prisons, Marcelle Ninio, Robert Dassa, and Meir Zafran were given military ranks in the IDF in recognition of their service to the State of Israel. They are the last three surviving members of Operation Susannah, and are finally receving awards for their years of suffering. It took several years for Israel to acknowledge that it had trained a group of Egyptian Jews to carry out espionage activities in Cairo and Alexandria. The group was released in February 1968, but was unknown to the Israeli public until 1971 when Golda Meir announced she would attend Ninio's wedding. Dassa believes that his rank is the culmination of the wishes of his deceased comrades, who wanted the survivors not to rest “until the State of Israel recognizes all of us.”
i LOVE how this site constantly refers to them as a 'spy ring' idealism? sel-sacrifice?? spy ring??? are you fucking kidding me!? they were nothing but terrorists. from now on anytime they say hamas or palestinians are terrorists say no, they are a spy ring!
the entry doesn't even mention that this 'spy ring' blew up some buildings until the 21st paragraph!
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
George W. Bush: "Either you're with us, or you're with the spy ring!"