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Too much hate, not enough anger.

FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
edited September 2010 in A Moving Train
Frankenstein's creature only became a monster when he saw he could never be anything else. - Daniel Quinn

Society has a greater effect on us individually than we have on it. The idea that it take's a village to raise a child is beyond true... so look around your village and you'll see the destitute. The future is here and it ain't bright. It's not some grandiose conspiracy or some hidden group living off the fruits of our hard work.. it's our collective misgivings that build and resonate. Our bureaucracies reflect us, not the other way around. Don't hate the "leaders", instead direct your anger at the public setting the tone.
CONservative governMENt

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    The media deserve much of the blame, for they create and perpetuate the bullshit that keeps the wheels of injustice and inequality in motion.

    In times past it was the sword or gun that maintained the staus quo - and this is still true for most developing countries - whereas now those in power rely primarily on media bullshit and lies instead.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    But we only perpetuate such things by participating in them.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The media deserve much of the blame, for they create and perpetuate the bullshit that keeps the wheels of injustice and inequality in motion.

    In times past it was the sword or gun that maintained the staus quo - and this is still true for most developing countries - whereas now those in power rely primarily on media bullshit and lies instead.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i would say anger and hate are equally useless when it comes to change ...

    action over apathy
    awareness over ignorance
    and above all
    compassion over destruction
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    "it's not the secrets of the government keepin us dumb, it's the other way around..."
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    That's actually not true... anger is a very powerful motive to enable change. People associate anger and hate as they both builds towards a similar emotion, but the difference is hate is does not lead to productive measures such as change but usually only destructive ones. Anger is a great motivator which can lead to change.
    polaris_x wrote:
    i would say anger and hate are equally useless when it comes to change ...

    action over apathy
    awareness over ignorance
    and above all
    compassion over destruction
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's actually not true... anger is a very powerful motive to enable change. People associate anger and hate as they both builds towards a similar emotion, but the difference is hate is does not lead to productive measures such as change but usually only destructive ones. Anger is a great motivator which can lead to change.

    i have never done anything positive from the space of anger
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    polaris_x wrote:
    i would say anger and hate are equally useless when it comes to change ...


    pretty sure a large portion of blacks in america were pretty pissed off when they were sitting in and marching across the country throughout the 60's and 70's.


    being treated as second calss citizens for so long, that angst was crucial in their search for equal rights.
  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    the media is but a tool being used by money
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  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The media deserve much of the blame, for they create and perpetuate the bullshit that keeps the wheels of injustice and inequality in motion.

    In times past it was the sword or gun that maintained the staus quo - and this is still true for most developing countries - whereas now those in power rely primarily on media bullshit and lies instead.

    I believe we get the media we deserve, to a large extent.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Like most things in life, the media and similar are merely a reflection of what we make or enable things to be. Everyone is just a consumer and not much more. Individuality is a thing of the past as nowadays everything is contrived. We create a false reality through tv and the media in order to cope and delude ourselves from the actual realities of the world.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Commy wrote:
    pretty sure a large portion of blacks in america were pretty pissed off when they were sitting in and marching across the country throughout the 60's and 70's.


    being treated as second calss citizens for so long, that angst was crucial in their search for equal rights.

    i would argue ... those who acted on anger were the ones who committed violent acts while those who were operating on the need for change were the more peaceful protestors ...
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The media deserve much of the blame, for they create and perpetuate the bullshit that keeps the wheels of injustice and inequality in motion.

    In times past it was the sword or gun that maintained the staus quo - and this is still true for most developing countries - whereas now those in power rely primarily on media bullshit and lies instead.

    No - people need to blame themselves. All we want to do these days is blame the someone else. It's time for people to stand up and admit their shortcomings.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Byrnzie,

    While i vehemently disagree with your position that there is no formally guided effort to reshape society being controlled from behind the scenes (witness my new sig line), you do have one famous person on your side ...

    ... Jesus.

    43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    Matthew 5:43-48

    ;)

    Ps - I recently started diving in to the beginnings of the 1200page monster that is Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope", and it IS safe to say, that EVEN THEIR OWN admit to conspiracy, by name, directly.

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I strongly disagree, in fact I'd guess that far more progress in the name of good has come through violence action and revolution which were fueled by anger and displeasure with current circumstances... not through simply peaceful measures. In our nation alone, whether the founding period, fighting to end slavery, the right to vote for minorities or women or any other significant progress.. all included some measure of violent acts as well as anger to get things right. There's no simple one way to protest or right a wrong.
    polaris_x wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    pretty sure a large portion of blacks in america were pretty pissed off when they were sitting in and marching across the country throughout the 60's and 70's.


    being treated as second calss citizens for so long, that angst was crucial in their search for equal rights.

    i would argue ... those who acted on anger were the ones who committed violent acts while those who were operating on the need for change were the more peaceful protestors ...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I strongly disagree, in fact I'd guess that far more progress in the name of good has come through violence action and revolution which were fueled by anger and displeasure with current circumstances... not through simply peaceful measures. In our nation alone, whether the founding period, fighting to end slavery, the right to vote for minorities or women or any other significant progress.. all included some measure of violent acts as well as anger to get things right. There's no simple one way to protest or right a wrong.
    polaris_x wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    pretty sure a large portion of blacks in america were pretty pissed off when they were sitting in and marching across the country throughout the 60's and 70's.


    being treated as second calss citizens for so long, that angst was crucial in their search for equal rights.

    i would argue ... those who acted on anger were the ones who committed violent acts while those who were operating on the need for change were the more peaceful protestors ...
    there are effective ways.


    when the nightly news showed footage of police officers brutally beating non resisting minorities...that footage gained more sympathy for the cause and did more for the movement than say burning a police station or a riot ever could.


    not saying riots dont' have their place, but i do think non-violent protesting is much more effective =, especially if people in the middle see the authorities using violence against them, the peaceful actually win those battles.



    still, even peaceful protesting can be accompanied by anger. you gotta be pretty pissed off at the system to not go into work and sit in a racist restaurant while dogs are unleashed on you and cops use billy clubs. these people were non-violent, many, but hey sure as hell weren't complacent or content.
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