French senate approves burqa ban....

acoustic guy

Nice going France .....for once.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09 ... tml?hpt=T2

marcos

They should also consider voting on the berets.

OutOfBreath

Well, France is furiously secular and anti-religious in matters of state.

However, laws mandating or forbidding dress codes on regular citizens will never sit right by me. No freedom-loving person can approve of that.

France have also caused a ruckus over booting out gypsies en masse lately, so I suppose the government is trying to outbrown the nationalists these days.

Sad really.

Peace
Dan

Cosmo

I would have a problem if they were banning these in Public Places:


But, have no problem with banning these from Public Places:


...
My reasoning? I'm in a bank or a 7-11 around mid-night and a couple of the latter pictures come strolling in... I'm looking for a quick exit or am handing them over my wallet and hitting the deck.

acoustic guy

marcos wrote:

They should also consider voting on the berets.

acoustic guy

Cosmo wrote:

I would have a problem if they were banning these in Public Places:


But, have no problem with banning these from Public Places:


...
My reasoning? I'm in a bank or a 7-11 around mid-night and a couple of the latter pictures come strolling in... I'm looking for a quick exit or am handing them over my wallet and hitting the deck.

Agree...I know some may say thats wrong but I agree totally.
How would you feel if your entire neighborhood was overrun by muslims andall the woman walked around dress like this? It would be freaking weird as hell IMO...

CJMST3K

acoustic guy wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I would have a problem if they were banning these in Public Places:


But, have no problem with banning these from Public Places:


...
My reasoning? I'm in a bank or a 7-11 around mid-night and a couple of the latter pictures come strolling in... I'm looking for a quick exit or am handing them over my wallet and hitting the deck.

Agree...I know some may say thats wrong but I agree totally.
How would you feel if your entire neighborhood was overrun by muslims andall the woman walked around dress like this? It would be freaking weird as hell IMO...

Imagine your reaction if they were also wearing sunglasses!

catefrances

france is expelling romany people atm too. so lets not cut them too much slack. somethings wrong here and i cant support it.

redrock

The ban is about all face covering for security reasons. Naturally the burka being the main target. The French government are not shy about their view on full veil.

The expulsion of the Roma is also based on security - what security, I really don't know. But I guess it has to be their excuse as Romania is part of the EU and these people have the right of free movement within the EU. One of the reasons an EU country can refuse entry to an EU resident is based on security (the other is disease and there is also a third that I forgot).

Bad, bad France.

Jason P

marcos wrote:

They should also consider voting on the berets.

Bad Example



Good Example

nuffingman

I don't suppose the French care for 1 second what others think. I wonder how many women that wear the burqa actually want to wear it or are forced to by male family.

It will give freedom to those that are forced to.

http://kgov.com/gallery/20010911/Taliba ... ervice.jpg

marcos

Jason P wrote:

marcos wrote:

They should also consider voting on the berets.

Bad Example



Good Example

Agree........YO JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!

DeLukin

Imma have some 'burqa fries' for lunch today in protest. Way to drop the ball AGAIN, France.

MotoDC

DeLukin wrote:

Imma have some 'burqa fries' for lunch today in protest. Way to drop the ball AGAIN, France.

I prefer "Freedom Hats". Vive la revolucion!

In all seriousness, though, am I allowed to wear my ski hat pulled down over my face in Paris? What about those surgical masks that some Asians have been so fond of since SARS? There are aspects to this new law that I like and aspects that I don't. Without question, full-face coverings should have to be removed in ANY zone/area that requires entrance via a security checkpoint. But walking around le champs or having a cafe during my 6th coffee break of the day (ha)...not so sure.

I like the idea that it gives women who don't wear it by choice an excuse to take it off. I like the idea that it promotes cultural assimilation without forcing everyone to goosestep. I don't like the idea that it's yet another finger of control a democratic gov't feels it can put on its citizens. I don't like the idea that it restricts the ability of a group of people to practice the religion of their choosing in a manner that suits them.

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

The ban is about all face covering for security reasons. Naturally the burka being the main target. The French government are not shy about their view on full veil.

The expulsion of the Roma is also based on security - what security, I really don't know. But I guess it has to be their excuse as Romania is part of the EU and these people have the right of free movement within the EU. One of the reasons an EU country can refuse entry to an EU resident is based on security (the other is disease and there is also a third that I forgot).

Bad, bad France.

and most of roma coming to Greece,cos our democracy is open to all...but our economy cant...
so more people,less jobs....nice..
as for OP..i understand the reasons but from the other hand,people must be free to believe and wear what they want.

redrock

MotoDC wrote:

In all seriousness, though, am I allowed to wear my ski hat pulled down over my face in Paris? .

Anything that covers the face cannot be worn in public - if your ski mask is a balaclava type one, it would be against the law, as would a motorcycle helmet worn while walking down the street.

redrock

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and most of roma coming to Greece,cos our democracy is open to all...but our economy cant...
so more people,less jobs....nice...

That's the problem with economic migrants... no one wants them as it is a huge strain on the host country.

As a poster said, France don't care about what others say (well... don't want to be seen to care). It would seem though that they are openly doing what lots of other governments are wanting to do but don't have the balls to (whether it's right or wrong).

Thorns2010

redrock wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

In all seriousness, though, am I allowed to wear my ski hat pulled down over my face in Paris? .

Anything that covers the face cannot be worn in public - if your ski mask is a balaclava type one, it would be against the law, as would a motorcycle helmet worn while walking down the street.

Now that is interesting.....

So if I'm skiing in the French Alps, and its really cold, and I have my whole face covered........does that mean I can get fined? Because wouldn't I be in public?

Or if I'm riding a motorcycle down the street, and have my helmet on. I'm in public right?

MotoDC

Thorns2010 wrote:

redrock wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

In all seriousness, though, am I allowed to wear my ski hat pulled down over my face in Paris? .

Anything that covers the face cannot be worn in public - if your ski mask is a balaclava type one, it would be against the law, as would a motorcycle helmet worn while walking down the street.

Now that is interesting.....

So if I'm skiing in the French Alps, and its really cold, and I have my whole face covered........does that mean I can get fined? Because wouldn't I be in public?

Or if I'm riding a motorcycle down the street, and have my helmet on. I'm in public right?

Sounds like as long as the activity fits the headgear, all is well. I wonder if muslim women can wear their burqas in mosques? I agree though, it does seem like there's a bit too much gray area in terms of enforcement.

redrock

MotoDC wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

redrock wrote:

Anything that covers the face cannot be worn in public - if your ski mask is a balaclava type one, it would be against the law, as would a motorcycle helmet worn while walking down the street.

Now that is interesting.....

So if I'm skiing in the French Alps, and its really cold, and I have my whole face covered........does that mean I can get fined? Because wouldn't I be in public?

Or if I'm riding a motorcycle down the street, and have my helmet on. I'm in public right?

Sounds like as long as the activity fits the headgear, all is well. I wonder if muslim women can wear their burqas in mosques? I agree though, it does seem like there's a bit too much gray area in terms of enforcement.

As Moto says, as long as the activity fits the headgear. Wearing a full helmet to stroll down the Champs Élysées is not appropriate gear and could be seen as a threat. I would have thought in a place of worship one would dress according to each religion's dictates. Whilst the burqa is not a religious dictate, the women do cover up as much as they wish and is deemed 'decent' (though the majority not with burqas) .

Thorns2010

redrock wrote:

As Moto says, as long as the activity fits the headgear. Wearing a full helmet to stroll down the Champs Élysées is not appropriate gear and could be seen as a threat. I would have thought in a place of worship one would dress according to each religion's dictates. Whilst the burqa is not a religious dictate, the women do cover up as much as they wish and is deemed 'decent' (though the majority not with burqas) .

Sorry, I should have been a little clearer with my question.

Does the law that was passed contain language saying that if the activity fits the headgear its ok?