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dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
edited September 2010 in A Moving Train
On September 3rd, 1939, After Germany failed to withdraw in accordance with French and British demands, France and Britain, followed by the countries of the Commonwealth, declared war on Germany.

What happened in the next 5-6 years will never be forgotten...
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    yeah, all of those atrocities committed in the name of the "good war".



    war to end all wars, if only that were true.
  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    Commy wrote:
    war to end all wars, if only that were true.

    Amen brother. Sadly, as long as humans exist...wars will too.
    7/2/06 - Denver, CO
    6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
    8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
    9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
    9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
    9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    dcfaithful wrote:
    On September 3rd, 1939, After Germany failed to withdraw in accordance with French and British demands, France and Britain, followed by the countries of the Commonwealth, declared war on Germany.

    What happened in the next 5-6 years will never be forgotten...

    Yes, unfortunately we do seems to forget.

    You're next Iran!

    America fuck yeah
  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    Smellyman wrote:
    America fuck yeah

    :lol::lol::lol:
    7/2/06 - Denver, CO
    6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
    8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
    9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
    9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
    9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9eap_cKLP4&ob=av2e
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    dcfaithful wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    war to end all wars, if only that were true.

    Amen brother. Sadly, as long as humans exist...wars will too.
    if you expect war as an inevitability of human nature it will become an inevitability of human nature.

    i don't believe that to be true.
  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    Commy wrote:
    dcfaithful wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    war to end all wars, if only that were true.

    Amen brother. Sadly, as long as humans exist...wars will too.
    if you expect war as an inevitability of human nature it will become an inevitability of human nature.

    i don't believe that to be true.

    I sure as hell don't support wars, and would love to see them no longer exist. You have to admit that there is definitely a population of warmongers out there.
    7/2/06 - Denver, CO
    6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
    8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
    9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
    9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
    9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Commy wrote:
    war to end all wars
    That was tagged to World War I, not World War II
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    tybird wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    war to end all wars
    That was tagged to World War I, not World War II
    thank you for the clarification.



    and here we are. still at war. so it was communism. then more communism. then drugs. then to "liberate". then to "bring democracy". now terrorism.



    those that control the military will forever have excuses to use it. it is up to the people to stop them, to put an end to this absurd human endeavor called war.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    tybird wrote:
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.

    a good old tribal war.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh i miss those.

    national borders are arbitrary. you cant just slap imaginary lines on a map and expect everyone to play nice forever. ditto for removing those imaginary lines to become one big jolly country.
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  • guypjfreakguypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    dcfaithful wrote:
    On September 3rd, 1939, After Germany failed to withdraw in accordance with French and British demands, France and Britain, followed by the countries of the Commonwealth, declared war on Germany.

    What happened in the next 5-6 years will never be forgotten...
    nice post and least we forget old son
    peace :D
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    tybird wrote:
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.
    Interesting that you mention the Balkans, since that area was so intrinsic to what sparked the first WW. I say sparked b/c it quickly became about much, much more than the assassination of a Viennese archduke. Tybird, I'm curious, when you distinguish "everything else war-wise" from WW1, do you include WW2 in that? Though the triggers were unique (and even those could be aggregated under "social unrest" if one really wanted to), what made them world wars was very similar.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    MotoDC wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.
    Interesting that you mention the Balkans, since that area was so intrinsic to what sparked the first WW. I say sparked b/c it quickly became about much, much more than the assassination of a Viennese archduke. Tybird, I'm curious, when you distinguish "everything else war-wise" from WW1, do you include WW2 in that? Though the triggers were unique (and even those could be aggregated under "social unrest" if one really wanted to), what made them world wars was very similar.
    Yes, WWII was about at its heart about gaining control over resources.....the Japanese drive for conquest was all about setting up an empire to supply that island nation with its own resources....oil among them. The Nazis talked about "lebensraum" (I probably spelled that one incorrectly)....which was room to live....to expand...and to have easy and cheap natural resources at their disposal.....including oil...the main goal in their drive through the southern regions of the Soviet Union.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    catefrances wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.

    a good old tribal war.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh i miss those.

    national borders are arbitrary. you cant just slap imaginary lines on a map and expect everyone to play nice forever. ditto for removing those imaginary lines to become one big jolly country.
    Tribal wars ain't dead....see the Congo and parts of the former Soviet Union.

    Excellent point on national borders.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    tybird wrote:
    Yes, WWII was about at its heart about gaining control over resources.....the Japanese drive for conquest was all about setting up an empire to supply that island nation with its own resources....oil among them. The Nazis talked about "lebensraum" (I probably spelled that one incorrectly)....which was room to live....to expand...and to have easy and cheap natural resources at their disposal.....including oil...the main goal in their drive through the southern regions of the Soviet Union.
    Agreed, but WW1 wasn't so different. Though it began as a massive mobilization movitated by self-defense (for all players besides austro-hungary, at any rate), was it not perpetuated because various empire-hungry powers wanted to land-grab?
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    MotoDC wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Yes, WWII was about at its heart about gaining control over resources.....the Japanese drive for conquest was all about setting up an empire to supply that island nation with its own resources....oil among them. The Nazis talked about "lebensraum" (I probably spelled that one incorrectly)....which was room to live....to expand...and to have easy and cheap natural resources at their disposal.....including oil...the main goal in their drive through the southern regions of the Soviet Union.
    Agreed, but WW1 wasn't so different. Though it began as a massive mobilization movitated by self-defense (for all players besides austro-hungary, at any rate), was it not perpetuated because various empire-hungry powers wanted to land-grab?
    Not really....at first anyway. Nearly every European country was tied to another country or two by treaties that were based on thinking that had not changed much since 1870. Austria-Hungary was so insistent on punishing Serbia that common sense flew out the window. The punishment was actually more about keeping the lid on various Balkan minorities and their unrest among the citizens in the empire, not the Serbs in Serbia.

    Remember that the decisions regarding some as major as war were being made by only a handful of men among the various empires staring at each other. These were men raised on the sensibilities of the 19th century, and they carried out plans and ideas that were rooted in that century. The German plan of attack against France dated back to the years immediately following the Franco-Prussian war.

    Once the parties became entangled in war, they realized that the various colonies were in play. More land grabbing became possible once the Ottoman Empire chose sides. This was especially true of the British, who always seemed anxious to expand their colonial power in effort to better secure sea routes, especially those between Great Britain and India. France did desire the return of Alsace-Lorraine, and Italy hoped to regain some territory from Austria-Hungary. Nicholas II probably had some expansion dreams for Russia, but he could only dream.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    tybird wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    You're welcome, Commy.....WWI was the death throes of an archaic system of rule...everything else war-wise in the 20th-21st centuries has basically been about oil or some other natural resource...except possibly the latest series of Balkan wars, which seem to be about old hatreds and righting perceived wrongs of the past...which might also hold true about some of the wars spread out through the former Soviet Union.

    a good old tribal war.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh i miss those.

    national borders are arbitrary. you cant just slap imaginary lines on a map and expect everyone to play nice forever. ditto for removing those imaginary lines to become one big jolly country.
    Tribal wars ain't dead....see the Congo and parts of the former Soviet Union.

    Excellent point on national borders.

    oh i know they do. tis just as 'civilised' people we are so above such things. ;) :roll:

    one could even see the current israeli/palestinians conflict as a tribal war.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    catefrances wrote:

    one could even see the current israeli/palestinians conflict as a tribal war.

    Israel's stance on Gaza and the West bank was to let them be. but when they took out Egypt's airforce in a manner of minutes, it was like...ok what now? and for some reason they hit the West Bank, which went against their own decision in prior policy planning. But no one in government stood up to the decision. the military kept marching, and here we are today, just as Israeli policy planners predicted, in a state of conflict. Yeah they have the wailing wall, but they are still paying for it. something more than just resources motivating this conflict, i agree. not to say resources aren't involved, see water supply for Palestine, but yeah, a very tribal style conflict.
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