God did not create the universe, says Hawking...

know1

JR8805 wrote:

Throughout the course of history, human beings have made up thousands of gods in an attempt to understand and explain what we see. They become discarded over the course of time as other explanations come into being, and I believe the same will happen with the current round of gods. The trouble with gods is that they favor brands of humans. This brand protects Greeks against the terrors of the ocean, this brand protects Egyptians from the wrath of the Sun, this other protects some other group. The thing that current religions have over the older religions in staying power is that belief is the binder to the god, not necessarily ethnicity. But that doesn't make the current religions any better than more ethnocentric religions, just longer-lasting.

I don't know if there is a god or not. If so, it's either very self-evident (look around, it's all god), or it doesn't want to be found (look everywhere and other than the signature handiwork, it's nowhere to be found). And if there is a god, it's either very evil (take at look at the hunger and suffering), or it doesn't really care about anything but creating things and having other things its created say, "Awesome!" God is the ultimate, compulsive creative force, something chained to it's addiction of creation and destruction. Whether that is something that should be worshipped is up to you, I suppose. I choose to admire the beauty it creates. But I don't see its servitude to creation and destruction as praiseworthy. It's what it does. I doubt it has any say over it; it just does as it's set to do. And what its set to do are the natural laws. In this universe, the laws are what they are. If there are other universes, the god force there does what it is set up to do. So, is such a thing God? Maybe. But not god the way most people want to make God out to be. There is no just creature overseeing planet Earth. I see better people than me living miserable, short lives in crates on street corners. I see much eviler people than myself living in mansions with millions. I see me, doing relatively well because of the luck of the draw, not because I'm pious or outstandingly good in any respect. The only justice I see is that at the end, it all comes to an end in life. But, what happens from birth until then is hardly justice. So, to me, stories about God are stories of our deepest needs and wants. But, stories don't actually make reality, although they can help people living in misery feel better by thinking of some other life, something else "after." But why should there be justice in a nebulous "after" instead of right now? Omnipotent? Hardly if we have to wait for "after."

I think it's pretty difficult to rationalize away the existence of God using human logic. Doesn't anyone else see why that doesn't make sense?

Now a person can believe in God or not, but to actually attempt to use logic to explain why God doesn't exist seems extremely close-minded if not ignorant.

arq

know1 wrote:

Now a person can believe in God or not, but to actually attempt to use logic to explain why God doesn't exist seems extremely close-minded if not ignorant.

We cannot do logic about gods who are beyond logic - even if that logic is to show their existence.

ajedigecko

for me.......Jesus is who He says He is, or He is not.

arq

ajedigecko wrote:

for me.......Jesus is who He says He is, or He is not.

Exactly you can't have it both ways.

pandora

ajedigecko wrote:

for me.......Jesus is who He says He is, or He is not.

I don't know much about religion, would not, could not pretend to.
I think Jesus said he was the Son of God, no different then you or I, we are all the sons of God, created in God's likeness.
It is religion that may have interpreted or changed the meaning of his preachings and or role to that of Savior.
So much of religion is interpretation.
Nothing of spiritualism is interpreted, it is felt. I feel the love of Jesus, that is really all that matters.
I believe Jesus always knew his purpose here, this I feel he learned from his dreams, he was touched by miracles.

BinauralJam

Hawking is a Hack, String Theory is Moronic.

and i believe, Jesus never claimed to be the son of God.

Also you can't tell me Hawkings life hasn't left him bitter towards God, that little old man has been through some shit.