Mark Levin Interviews Dr. Zuhdi Jasser /cordoba project

WaveCameCrashin

wherever it is you stand on this issue I think you should listen to this..

part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgWzeKx ... ure=search

part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTwVf2g ... ure=search

satansbed

Firstly America has more innocent Muslim blood on its and than al queada,

the imam's second point was that the terrorist organizations are targeting easily influenced people to become suicide bombers, i'm not a psychologist but it sounds about right

thirdly he wasn't saying it was right to be a terrorist, he was pointing out that by supporting authoritarian regimes in the middle east that the u.s. in some ways have brought this on them selves

so wait by saying that Palestine's and Israelis live in the same country equally this guy is a radical... well then im a radical

id like to get a full copy of the the interview so i could get the full context anyway

murphyJammer

I refuse to listen to anyone on the radio who cannot speak to me without shouting. I don't care what your show or format is, if you need to resort to shouting, you have nothing to say.

haffajappa

i'm not familiar with this guy, but what was he talking about with the half a million iraqi children thing?
i'm unfamiliar with the situation (sorry!) so i thought i'd search "half a million iraqi children killed"

I don't know where he was researching this fact but he must not have tried google...

gimmesometruth27

murphyJammer wrote:

I refuse to listen to anyone on the radio who cannot speak to me without shouting. I don't care what your show or format is, if you need to resort to shouting, you have nothing to say.

i completely agree with you. it seems that in 'merica the louder you talk the more correct you are...

arq

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

murphyJammer wrote:

I refuse to listen to anyone on the radio who cannot speak to me without shouting. I don't care what your show or format is, if you need to resort to shouting, you have nothing to say.

i completely agree with you. it seems that in 'merica the louder you talk the more correct you are...

(as loud as possible)
I DISAGREE

fuck

This is such a stupid fucking interview, jesus christ prfctlefts is this the type of shit you listen to?

Zuhdi Jasser is an idiot. He provides no scholarly research to support any of his assertions, whereas there are tons of sources that suggest that everything he says is a lie. he chastises Muslims for blaming all their problems on others and not themselves; a stupid childish excuse to exempt America and the West from any wrongdoing. In fact Muslims don't do that at all but what is understood throughout the Muslim world is that before they fix their own internal issues, they need the west to stop meddling in its affairs - so the West needs to stop supporting the authoritarian regimes rampant throughout the Muslim world (and ironically Jasser condemns the regimes throughout the Muslim world without mentioning the fact that the US is one of their biggest sponsors), and stop its illegal military occupations and end Israeli occupation in Palestine. Once the authoritarian regimes are done, and freedom of speech and all that is back in the Muslim world, advances can be made. but until then these regimes are quashing everything.

Mark Levin is a fucking idiot - it is common knowledge by now that the US-led sanctions against Iraq in the 90s led to over a million deaths, half of whom (500,000) were children. This was published in several UN reports, and the information is there. He goes on and on calling this Imam a radical but every single one of his quotes from the Imam suggest otherwise - first, no one has the right to force this imam to condemn any group. if he doesnt want to he shouldn't have to just to be considered "one of the good Muslims." I mean seriously, does EVERY Muslim have to condemn Hamas and these groups to be considered a good guy? it's disgusting. second, his quotes aren't even opinions, theyre just pure facts:
- Robert Pape wrote an excellent book called 'Dying to Win' where he documents cases of suicide bombers, the fact that they often experienced a traumatic event, be it a family member who was killed, etc etc, but that most cases involve them living under foreign military occupation, and them eventually doing it for political reasons - not religious.
- There is already ample evidence that proves that the 9/11 attacks were more as a result of political reasons - U.S. support for authoritarian regimes, unconditional support for Israel in its ongoing occupation of Palestine, etc, and not for religious reasons (the "they hate us for our freedom", "they want to turn the U.S. into a Muslim state", and all that other crap is just pure B.S.)

so Mark Levin doesn't simply disagree with a "radical" Muslim, but instead with pure facts, q.e.d. he's a fucking idiot.

WaveCameCrashin

_outlaw wrote:

This is such a stupid fucking interview, jesus christ prfctlefts is this the type of shit you listen to?

Zuhdi Jasser is an idiot. He provides no scholarly research to support any of his assertions, whereas there are tons of sources that suggest that everything he says is a lie. he chastises Muslims for blaming all their problems on others and not themselves; a stupid childish excuse to exempt America and the West from any wrongdoing. In fact Muslims don't do that at all but what is understood throughout the Muslim world is that before they fix their own internal issues, they need the west to stop meddling in its affairs - so the West needs to stop supporting the authoritarian regimes rampant throughout the Muslim world (and ironically Jasser condemns the regimes throughout the Muslim world without mentioning the fact that the US is one of their biggest sponsors), and stop its illegal military occupations and end Israeli occupation in Palestine. Once the authoritarian regimes are done, and freedom of speech and all that is back in the Muslim world, advances can be made. but until then these regimes are quashing everything.

Mark Levin is a fucking idiot - it is common knowledge by now that the US-led sanctions against Iraq in the 90s led to over a million deaths, half of whom (500,000) were children. This was published in several UN reports, and the information is there. He goes on and on calling this Imam a radical but every single one of his quotes from the Imam suggest otherwise - first, no one has the right to force this imam to condemn any group. if he doesnt want to he shouldn't have to just to be considered "one of the good Muslims." I mean seriously, does EVERY Muslim have to condemn Hamas and these groups to be considered a good guy? it's disgusting. second, his quotes aren't even opinions, theyre just pure facts:
- Robert Pape wrote an excellent book called 'Dying to Win' where he documents cases of suicide bombers, the fact that they often experienced a traumatic event, be it a family member who was killed, etc etc, but that most cases involve them living under foreign military occupation, and them eventually doing it for political reasons - not religious.
- There is already ample evidence that proves that the 9/11 attacks were more as a result of political reasons - U.S. support for authoritarian regimes, unconditional support for Israel in its ongoing occupation of Palestine, etc, and not for religious reasons (the "they hate us for our freedom", "they want to turn the U.S. into a Muslim state", and all that other crap is just pure B.S.)

so Mark Levin doesn't simply disagree with a "radical" Muslim, but instead with pure facts, q.e.d. he's a fucking idiot.

so just bcos you (outlaw) dissagree with him he's a fucking idiot? that's nice. :roll:

JonnyPistachio

This guy lost credibility with me right off the bat when he said:
"... (Imam) seeks to build a mosque two blocks from ground zero...in other words, IN ground zero."

I thought people were done twisting this thing out of perspective by now.

fuck

prfctlefts wrote:

so just bcos you (outlaw) dissagree with him he's a fucking idiot? that's nice. :roll:

I don't know why I bother to respond to you. My opinion was actually not even fully discussed in my post, I cited and provided facts. in fact if you even bothered to just read the last sentence of my post, you would know that I don't say he's an idiot because I disagree with him but rather because he disagrees with the facts:

_outlaw wrote:

so Mark Levin doesn't simply disagree with a "radical" Muslim, but instead with pure facts, q.e.d. he's a fucking idiot.

unsurprisingly, this, and my entire post that you quoted, slipped past you.

WaveCameCrashin

_outlaw wrote:

Zuhdi Jasser is an idiot. He provides no scholarly research to support any of his assertions, whereas there are tons of sources that suggest that everything he says is a lie.

Really ?? and how do you know this ? He seems to have a very extensive background. But Im sure you will still call him stupid just becuase you dissagree with him. IMO he sounds like he's a good person and by the looks from his background I would say he knows what he's talking about.


http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php?id=8

M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D. is the President and Founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD). A devout Muslim, Dr. Jasser founded AIFD in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the United States as an effort to provide an American Muslim voice advocating for the preservation of the founding principles of the United States Consitution, liberty and freedom, and the separation of mosque and state. He is leading the fight to shake the hold that the Muslim Brotherhood and their Network of American Islamist organizations and mosques have on organizxed Islam in America.

A former Lieutenant Commander in the United States Navy, Dr. Jasser served 11 years as a medical officer. His tours of duty included Medical Department Head aboard the U.S.S. El Paso which deployed to Somalia during Operation Restore Hope; Chief Resident at Bethesda Naval Hospital; and Staff Internist for the Office of the Attending Physician to the United States Congress. He is a recipient of the Meritorious Service Medal.

Dr. Jasser is a nationally recognized expert in the contest of ideas against Political Islam and American Islamist organizations. He has spoken at hundreds of national and international events including college and universities, places of worship, government venues, and many other public functions. On October 1, 2009, Dr. Jasser briefed members of Congress on the threat of Political Islam. He regularly briefs members of the House and Senate congressional anti-terror caucuses. In 2007 and 2008, Dr. Jasser lectured on Islam to deploying officers at the Joint Forces Staff College. In 2007, Dr. Jasser was part of a select group that briefed Admiral Mike Mullen on the "Contest of Ideas with the Muslim World." Dr. Jasser was presented with the 2007 Director's Community Leadership Award by the Phoenix office of the FBI and was recognized as a "Defender of the Home Front" at the annual Keeper of the Flame Dinner of the Center for Security Policy.

Dr. Jasser is a contributing writer to the newly released book The Other Muslims: Moderate and Secular (Palgrave Macmillan), edited by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Eurasian Studies Zeyno Baran. Dr. Jasser was also recently featured in The Third Jihad, produced by PublicScope Films. Dr. Jasser narrrates this documentary about the threat of radical Islamism to the West. Dr. Jasser is also featured in the controversial PBS film, Islam v Islamists produced by ABG Films, Inc. in 2007. This film was initially banned from distribution on PBS stations as originally intended in theCrossroads program, but was then aired in a limited distribution to some affiliates.

Dr. Jasser is a respected physician currently in private practice in Phoenix, Arizona specializing in internal medicine and nuclear cardiology. He is the recent Past-President of the Arizona Medical Association.

_outlaw wrote:

the West needs to stop supporting the authoritarian regimes rampant throughout the Muslim world (and ironically Jasser condemns the regimes throughout the Muslim world without mentioning the fact that the US is one of their biggest sponsors), and stop its illegal military occupations and end Israeli occupation in Palestine. Once the authoritarian regimes are done, and freedom of speech and all that is back in the Muslim world, advances can be made. but until then these regimes are quashing everything.

Ok what authoritarian regimes are you even talking about ? Isreal ? Because the last time I checked there are many regimes Muslim Regimes, that are killing their own people.Does the last Iranian election ring a bell and all the innocent dissenters that were murdered ? I The U.S. isn't occupying anywhere dude. You don't know what the hell your even talking about. We went into Iraq and afghanistan to liberate people from tyranny.If It weren't for America (the C.I.A) giving weapons to the mujahadeen they would all be under control of the former soviet union. It's muslim regimes that are keeping muslims from being liberated. Like the taliban and countless others.

_outlaw wrote:

first, no one has the right to force this imam to condemn any group. if he doesnt want to he shouldn't have to just to be considered "one of the good Muslims." I mean seriously, does EVERY Muslim have to condemn Hamas and these groups to be considered a good guy? it's disgusting.

No It's not disgusting.. Your im right and everyone else is wrong attitude is..
No one is forcing him to do anything,but if he wants to be this so called "bridge builder " He should denounce every form of terrorism. The fact that he doesn't rasies questions with people. I don't know how old you are,but my guess is you are young and don't realize the affect 911 had and still has on people. Not to mention all the other failed and not failed terrorist attacks in america and abroad

_outlaw wrote:

Mark Levin is a fucking idiot - it is common knowledge by now that the US-led sanctions against Iraq in the 90s led to over a million deaths, half of whom (500,000) were children. This was published in several UN reports, and the information is there. He goes on and on calling this Imam a radical but every single one of his quotes from the Imam suggest otherwise -

there you go again. Obviously you don't know anything about Levin. truth is he would smoke you and everyone on this forum in a debate. If you knew anything about him I don't think or at least I hope for your sake of looking like a complete ass you aould think twice before you make that assertion. Why don't you google his name and see ?
Also he said he did research on that claim Imam Rauf made and couldn't find those stats anywhere. But what about all the innocent people that saddam killed ? What about all the little kids and the Kurds in the North that were killed with chemical agents. America didn't do that. An authoritarian Muslim regime did.

_outlaw wrote:

Robert Pape wrote an excellent book called 'Dying to Win' where he documents cases of suicide bombers, the fact that they often experienced a traumatic event, be it a family member who was killed, etc etc, but that most cases involve them living under foreign military occupation, and them eventually doing it for political reasons - not religious.

So just because someone experienced a traumatic event that's an excuse to go and blow up innocent people ?
Wow !! Furthermore there are still Iraqis blowing up other Iraqis. For what reason. Also why are there Iraqies that don't want us to leave ? Could it be that they fear thier own brothers ?

haffajappa

prfctlefts wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

Robert Pape wrote an excellent book called 'Dying to Win' where he documents cases of suicide bombers, the fact that they often experienced a traumatic event, be it a family member who was killed, etc etc, but that most cases involve them living under foreign military occupation, and them eventually doing it for political reasons - not religious.

So just because someone experienced a traumatic event that's an excuse to go and blow up innocent people ?
Wow !! Furthermore there are still Iraqis blowing up other Iraqis. For what reason. Also why are there Iraqies that don't want us to leave ? Could it be that they fear thier own brothers ?

It's definitely not an excuse but when you think about it, its probably not just a traumatic event but also the fact that they are living under some sort of occupation for a good portion of their life. So to us its not an excuse but we're not in that position, we've grown up on a continent that has been relatively war-scene-free for the past hundred + years... so its hard to really say what living in a condition like that would make you do...

WaveCameCrashin

I don't know hj Iv'e never lived it before,but there's no reason to kill innocent people just because your pissed off about something.. Just my opinion

haffajappa

prfctlefts wrote:

I don't know hj Iv'e never lived it before,but there's no reason to kill innocent people just because your pissed off about something.. Just my opinion

well i don't agree with killing innocent people if that's what you're insinuating... do you seriously think that if you grew up in that environment you'd have the same mindset you do growing up in north america?

WaveCameCrashin

haffajappa wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I don't know hj Iv'e never lived it before,but there's no reason to kill innocent people just because your pissed off about something.. Just my opinion

well i don't agree with killing innocent people if that's what you're insinuating... do you seriously think that if you grew up in that environment you'd have the same mindset you do growing up in north america?

Of course not.. That doesn't mean it's still an excuse.. Which is what i think some people use at is and I think a lot of sucide bombers are indoctrinated at a very young age. It's a very twisted form of islam .Is it not ?

haffajappa

prfctlefts wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I don't know hj Iv'e never lived it before,but there's no reason to kill innocent people just because your pissed off about something.. Just my opinion

well i don't agree with killing innocent people if that's what you're insinuating... do you seriously think that if you grew up in that environment you'd have the same mindset you do growing up in north america?

Of course not.. That doesn't mean it's still an excuse.. Which is what i think some people use at is and I think a lot of sucide bombers are indoctrinated at a very young age. It's a very twisted form of islam .Is it not ?

yeah, it is.
just as lynching people was for the KKK a twisted form of christianity.

fuck

prfctlefts wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

Zuhdi Jasser is an idiot. He provides no scholarly research to support any of his assertions, whereas there are tons of sources that suggest that everything he says is a lie.

Really ?? and how do you know this ? He seems to have a very extensive background. But Im sure you will still call him stupid just becuase you dissagree with him. IMO he sounds like he's a good person and by the looks from his background I would say he knows what he's talking about.

of course in your opinion he sounds like a good person. if this were 1930's Germany you'd be saying that this Adolf Hitler guy really knows what he's talking about. Zuhdi Jasser incorrectly associates things like the 9/11 attacks, attacks from Hamas and other Palestinian groups on Israel, etc, to political islam and blames it on that exclusively. Again, this is a fabrication created in order to exempt America from any wrongdoing. I am just repeating myself for the millionth time but you obviously just don't get it so I'm going to say it again: attacks such as these are not religious, they are political. if these occupations did not exist, the attacks would not exist. it's that simple really. Additionally, Jasser incorrectly assigns total blame for progress not being made in the Muslim world in terms of women's rights, free thought, etc, to the Muslims, while he should be directing this blame to the authoritarian regimes running these countries who halt any progress and, subsequently, the US government which has helped keep these regimes in power for political purposes. so no, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has faulty scholarship since he has not studied Islam extensively, and is only accepted by the media and rightwing groups because he speaks out against Islam, in favor of racial profiling, etc. He's a moron and a sell out.

_outlaw wrote:

the West needs to stop supporting the authoritarian regimes rampant throughout the Muslim world (and ironically Jasser condemns the regimes throughout the Muslim world without mentioning the fact that the US is one of their biggest sponsors), and stop its illegal military occupations and end Israeli occupation in Palestine. Once the authoritarian regimes are done, and freedom of speech and all that is back in the Muslim world, advances can be made. but until then these regimes are quashing everything.

Ok what authoritarian regimes are you even talking about ? Isreal ? Because the last time I checked there are many regimes Muslim Regimes, that are killing their own people.

You really are hilarious. No, I'm not talking about Israel when I say 'authoritarian regimes', I am talking about the Muslim regimes that you are condemning. These include Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the Gulf countries, etc, which are our Muslim allies. They are virtually dictatorial regimes supported unequivocally by the U.S. government for political purposes and they are responsible for many human rights violations that we conveniently ignore. The Muslim world is unhappy with these governments and want to progress, but the U.S. has not allowed it. Do you really not know anything about this?

Does the last Iranian election ring a bell and all the innocent dissenters that were murdered ? I The U.S. isn't occupying anywhere dude. You don't know what the hell your even talking about. We went into Iraq and afghanistan to liberate people from tyranny.If It weren't for America (the C.I.A) giving weapons to the mujahadeen they would all be under control of the former soviet union. It's muslim regimes that are keeping muslims from being liberated. Like the taliban and countless others.

which countless others? can you name them all? and "The U.S. isn't occupying anywhere" ?? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

_outlaw wrote:

first, no one has the right to force this imam to condemn any group. if he doesnt want to he shouldn't have to just to be considered "one of the good Muslims." I mean seriously, does EVERY Muslim have to condemn Hamas and these groups to be considered a good guy? it's disgusting.

No It's not disgusting.. Your im right and everyone else is wrong attitude is..
No one is forcing him to do anything,but if he wants to be this so called "bridge builder " He should denounce every form of terrorism. The fact that he doesn't rasies questions with people. I don't know how old you are,but my guess is you are young and don't realize the affect 911 had and still has on people. Not to mention all the other failed and not failed terrorist attacks in america and abroad

you contradict yourself in the same breath, it really is great to watch. on one hand you say no one is forcing him to do anything but right away you say if he wants to be accepted he has to denounce every form of terrorism. he already said he doesn't support the killing of innocent civilians, that's not the issue here. the issue here is he is being forced to denounce specific groups such as Hamas. It'd be the same to demand that every white man who wants to be considered a "good guy" or legitimate should denounce the KKK a few decades ago. It's unreasonable and stupid.

_outlaw wrote:

Mark Levin is a fucking idiot - it is common knowledge by now that the US-led sanctions against Iraq in the 90s led to over a million deaths, half of whom (500,000) were children. This was published in several UN reports, and the information is there. He goes on and on calling this Imam a radical but every single one of his quotes from the Imam suggest otherwise -

there you go again. Obviously you don't know anything about Levin. truth is he would smoke you and everyone on this forum in a debate. If you knew anything about him I don't think or at least I hope for your sake of looking like a complete ass you aould think twice before you make that assertion. Why don't you google his name and see ?
Also he said he did research on that claim Imam Rauf made and couldn't find those stats anywhere. But what about all the innocent people that saddam killed ? What about all the little kids and the Kurds in the North that were killed with chemical agents. America didn't do that. An authoritarian Muslim regime did.

I know what I saw in the interview and he's an idiot. I mean the guy didn't know first of all that U.S. led sanctions in the 90s led to all these deaths, and even AFTER looking it up online couldn't find it and claimed to have "no idea what he's talking about." I mean seriously? A little kid could google it and find the information. And what does Saddam's crimes have to do with the fact that U.S. is responsible for millions of deaths?

_outlaw wrote:

Robert Pape wrote an excellent book called 'Dying to Win' where he documents cases of suicide bombers, the fact that they often experienced a traumatic event, be it a family member who was killed, etc etc, but that most cases involve them living under foreign military occupation, and them eventually doing it for political reasons - not religious.

So just because someone experienced a traumatic event that's an excuse to go and blow up innocent people ?
Wow !! Furthermore there are still Iraqis blowing up other Iraqis. For what reason. Also why are there Iraqies that don't want us to leave ? Could it be that they fear thier own brothers ?

Of course it's not an excuse, Jesus fucking christ, how dense is your skull. That's OBVIOUSLY not what I'm saying at all. The point is that understanding why these people do these things is important especially when the results of the research turn out to be "they don't do it for religious purposes, they do it for political purposes." this is a very important discovery that Pape made due to the incorrect notion in the U.S. that these people do it because they're religious fundamentalists.

keeponrockin

prfctlefts wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I don't know hj Iv'e never lived it before,but there's no reason to kill innocent people just because your pissed off about something.. Just my opinion

well i don't agree with killing innocent people if that's what you're insinuating... do you seriously think that if you grew up in that environment you'd have the same mindset you do growing up in north america?

Of course not.. That doesn't mean it's still an excuse.. Which is what i think some people use at is and I think a lot of sucide bombers are indoctrinated at a very young age. It's a very twisted form of islam .Is it not ?

Yes, just like the IRA bombings are a very twisted form of patriotism... And so on... Terrorism isn't exclusively a Muslim game.