Mossad in America

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edited August 2010 in A Moving Train
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/mossad-in-america/

Israeli intelligence steps up its activity in the U.S. — and gets away with it.
By Philip Giraldi
Israeli government claims that it does not spy on the United States are intended for the media and popular consumption. The reality is that Israel’s intelligence agencies target the United States intensively, particularly in pursuit of military and dual-use civilian technology. Among nations considered to be friendly to Washington, Israel leads all others in its active espionage directed against American companies and the Defense Department. It also dominates two commercial sectors that enable it to extend its reach inside America’s domestic infrastructure: airline and telecommunications security. Israel is believed to have the ability to monitor nearly all phone records originating in the United States, while numerous Israeli air-travel security companies are known to act as the local Mossad stations.
As tensions with Iran increase, sources in the counterintelligence community report that Israeli agents have become more aggressive in targeting Muslims living in the United States as well as in operating against critics. There have been a number of cases reported to the FBI about Mossad officers who have approached leaders in Arab-American communities and have falsely represented themselves as “U.S. intelligence.” Because few Muslims would assist an Israeli, this is done to increase the likelihood that the target will cooperate. It’s referred to as a “false flag” operation.
Mossad officers sought to recruit Arab-Americans as sources willing to inform on their associates and neighbors. The approaches, which took place in New York and New Jersey, were reportedly handled clumsily, making the targets of the operation suspicious. These Arab-Americans turned down the requests for cooperation, and some of the contacts were eventually reported to the FBI, which has determined that at least two of the Mossad officers are, ironically, Israeli Arabs operating out of Israel’s mission to the United Nations in New York under cover as consular assistants.
In another bizarre case, U.S.S. Liberty survivor Phil Tourney was recently accosted in Southern California by a foreigner who eventually identified himself as an Israeli government representative. Tourney was taunted, and the Israeli threatened both him and journalist Mark Glenn, who has been reporting on the Liberty story. Tourney was approached in a hotel lounge, and it is not completely clear how the Israeli was able to identify him. But he knew exactly who Tourney was, as the official referred to the Liberty, saying that the people who had been killed on board had gotten what they deserved. There were a number of witnesses to the incident, including Tourney’s wife. The threat has been reported to the FBI, which is investigating, but Tourney and Glenn believe that the incident is not being taken seriously by the bureau.
FBI sources indicate that the increase in Mossad activity is a major problem, particularly when Israelis are posing as U.S. government officials, but they also note that there is little they can do to stop it as the Justice Department refuses to initiate any punitive action or prosecutions of the Mossad officers who have been identified as involved in the illegal activity.
In another ongoing Israeli spy case, Stewart Nozette appears to be headed towards eventual freedom as his case drags on through the District of Columbia courts. Nozette, an aerospace scientist with a top secret clearance and access to highly sensitive information, offered to sell classified material to a man he believed to be a Mossad officer, but who instead turned out to be with the FBI. Nozette has been in jail since October, but he has now been granted an additional 90-day delay so his lawyers can review the documents in the government’s case, many of which are classified. If Nozette demands that sensitive information be used in his defense, his case will likely follow the pattern set in the nine-times-postponed trial of AIPAC spies Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, who were ultimately acquitted in April 2009 when prosecutors determined that they could not make their case without doing significant damage to national security. A month after Rosen and Weissman were freed, Ben-Ami Kadish, who admitted to providing defense secrets to Israel while working as an engineer at Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey, walked out of a Manhattan court after paying a fine. He did no jail time and continues to receive his substantial Defense Department pension.
The mainstream media reported the Rosen and Weissman trial intermittently, but there was virtually no coverage of Ben-Ami Kadish, and there has been even less of Nozette. Compare that with the recent reporting on the Russian spies who, by all accounts, did almost nothing and never obtained any classified information. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that spying for Israel is consequence free.
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Philip Giraldi, a former CIA Officer, is the Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest. His “Deep Background” column appears every month exclusively in The American Conservative.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the only way the right will concern themselves with israel is if fox news or the right wing "media" tell them ...
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    If this were an article about Iran spying on the U.S., or any Muslim group or country for that matter, there would be headlines in every news room, and this thread would have tons of replies. But like the author says, Israel spies on Americans, and no one gives a shit.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    From the billions we give Israel annually to these stories of espionage with no consequences to Hasbara to congress, hatever Israel is doing to influence policy seems to be working.
  • _outlaw wrote:
    If this were an article about Iran spying on the U.S., or any Muslim group or country for that matter, there would be headlines in every news room, and this thread would have tons of replies. But like the author says, Israel spies on Americans, and no one gives a shit.

    the silence is deafening.
    _outlaw wrote:
    FBI sources indicate that the increase in Mossad activity is a major problem, particularly when Israelis are posing as U.S. government officials, but they also note that there is little they can do to stop it as the Justice Department refuses to initiate any punitive action or prosecutions of the Mossad officers who have been identified as involved in the illegal activity.

    hello hello hello, is there anybody in there..just nod if you can hear me...is there anyone at home?

    comfortably numb.

    fucks sake. what's wrong with people.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    _outlaw wrote:
    If this were an article about Iran spying on the U.S., or any Muslim group or country for that matter, there would be headlines in every news room, and this thread would have tons of replies. But like the author says, Israel spies on Americans, and no one gives a shit.
    Yes, and most of the posts would probably be from you, defending their actions, saying the US deserved it. Listen, yeah it's fucked that (or really, IF) Israeli agents are posing as US agents. Yeah, it's fucked that(if) they are harassing US citizens (of any creed/color/religion). It's appalling and should be stopped. As far as the spying goes, everyone spies on everyone. It's just the way it is. If this story is true, I would hope the US gov't would do as much to prevent Israel from spying on us as they do to prevent the Chinese, Russians, etc.

    That said, I'd rather have an ally keeping tabs on us than an enemy (Iran, PRK, radical Islam--insofar as nongov't groups can really "spy"-- etc).

    And for the record, polaris, I don't watch Fox News nor listen to AM radio. NPR and, for better or worse, you crazy folks are pretty much my only "media" input (on non-financial topics, at any rate).
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    MotoDC wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    If this were an article about Iran spying on the U.S., or any Muslim group or country for that matter, there would be headlines in every news room, and this thread would have tons of replies. But like the author says, Israel spies on Americans, and no one gives a shit.
    Yes, and most of the posts would probably be from you, defending their actions, saying the US deserved it. Listen, yeah it's fucked that (or really, IF) Israeli agents are posing as US agents. Yeah, it's fucked that(if) they are harassing US citizens (of any creed/color/religion). It's appalling and should be stopped. As far as the spying goes, everyone spies on everyone. It's just the way it is. If this story is true, I would hope the US gov't would do as much to prevent Israel from spying on us as they do to prevent the Chinese, Russians, etc.

    That said, I'd rather have an ally keeping tabs on us than an enemy (Iran, PRK, radical Islam--insofar as nongov't groups can really "spy"-- etc).

    And for the record, polaris, I don't watch Fox News nor listen to AM radio. NPR and, for better or worse, you crazy folks are pretty much my only "media" input (on non-financial topics, at any rate).
    Actually you've missed the point entirely, not that I'm surprised given that you started your post with an ad hominem.

    First, "ally" is completely misconstrued here. I mean there are two arguments here that go against Israel doing this: one is that their interests and our interests aren't similar at all. In fact, they are very different, and there is scholarly work done on the fact that the U.S. would be better off taking a more mediated stance in the conflict than the Israeli biased one it has taken in the past several decades (on this, see Michael Neumann's The Case Against Israel). one of the major reasons that, despite the fact that our interests are not lined with Israel's, we have still been unequivocally following them to a path of destruction (that is, supporting their every disgusting move, whether it be during the Gaza massacre, or even the recent flotilla killings) is due to the power of the israel lobby in Washington, the most notable being AIPAC (on this, see John Mearsheimer's the Israel Lobby). AIPAC has already been known to have Israeli spies who spy against the U.S. seeking to gain top secret information for Israel's purpose, which, as has just been explained to you, is not aligned with U.S. purpose or motive. which brings me to my second point. There should be no "rather" when it comes to who you'd "rather" have spying on you. I mean seriously are you kidding me? you'd rather have Israel spy on you that Iran? Israel has actually killed more Americans as far as I know than Iran has - see the USS Liberty bombing as an example. Israel also has no qualms about violating international law - I mean what's to stop them from doing anything in the US if the time ever came for it? They clearly have more interest in themselves and couldn't care less for U.S. interests except for how it affects theirs. Why do we bother so much with Israel as an "ally"? This is typical of Americans to not give a shit about something like this. A video is released of Netanyahu saying the U.S. is "easily controllable" and that he can control the U.S. government. And he even admits how ridiculous U.S. support for Israel is. It really is quite astounding.
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    It is well known that the US spies on Israel as well. As has already been said, there is nothing new in this. Everyone spies on everyone, including their allies. That's just the way international relations work. As for the interests of the U.S. being aligned with those of Israel, there have been many scholarly articles that argue the case for an aligning of interests. This is at the very least a hotly contested debate, not a settled issue, as you (outlaw) would like to suggest that it is.

    As for Iran killing Americans, you should check out what American military commanders have said about Iran's involvement with the violence in Iraq. You should also look up the Hezbollah (which is a recognized arm of the Iranian revolution) suicide bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut in the early 80's. I believe that some 240+ marines were killed.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Not to worry, we now have Australia in our Pentagon pockets, so between Matt Handbury, who is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch, and, more importantly, part owner of the Australian Rain Corporation; along with building a new HAARP facility in Australia, the U.S. is weaning itself from Israel. We have our own footprint in the Middle East so we no longer need the everyday eyes of Israel; then there is the financial war of BAWAG vs the Bank Leumi (if you don’t succeed at first, try, try, again) and all those undocumented Swiss accounts that are at stake. Israel’s biggest problems are their financial security and the HAARP technology so spying on the U.S. comes as no surprise.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Everyone spies on everyone...
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    _outlaw wrote:
    Actually you've missed the point entirely, not that I'm surprised given that you started your post with an ad hominem.

    First, "ally" is completely misconstrued here. I mean there are two arguments here that go against Israel doing this: one is that their interests and our interests aren't similar at all. In fact, they are very different, and there is scholarly work done on the fact that the U.S. would be better off taking a more mediated stance in the conflict than the Israeli biased one it has taken in the past several decades (on this, see Michael Neumann's The Case Against Israel). one of the major reasons that, despite the fact that our interests are not lined with Israel's, we have still been unequivocally following them to a path of destruction (that is, supporting their every disgusting move, whether it be during the Gaza massacre, or even the recent flotilla killings) is due to the power of the israel lobby in Washington, the most notable being AIPAC (on this, see John Mearsheimer's the Israel Lobby). AIPAC has already been known to have Israeli spies who spy against the U.S. seeking to gain top secret information for Israel's purpose, which, as has just been explained to you, is not aligned with U.S. purpose or motive. which brings me to my second point. There should be no "rather" when it comes to who you'd "rather" have spying on you. I mean seriously are you kidding me? you'd rather have Israel spy on you that Iran? Israel has actually killed more Americans as far as I know than Iran has - see the USS Liberty bombing as an example. Israel also has no qualms about violating international law - I mean what's to stop them from doing anything in the US if the time ever came for it? They clearly have more interest in themselves and couldn't care less for U.S. interests except for how it affects theirs. Why do we bother so much with Israel as an "ally"? This is typical of Americans to not give a shit about something like this. A video is released of Netanyahu saying the U.S. is "easily controllable" and that he can control the U.S. government. And he even admits how ridiculous U.S. support for Israel is. It really is quite astounding.
    With regards to the ad hominem fallacy that I supposedly fell into, eh, call it what you like, I see it as a mild dig wrapped in an educated guess about which direction your posts are going to take. I may only have 30ish posts, but I'm an accomplished lurker. I wasn't trying to "win the internet" with that comment, and so as it wasn't (in my mind) part of my real point, it wasn't really ad hominem. At any rate, semantics.

    With regards to whether I missed the point entirely, I wonder if you even read the article you posted? It certainly did not make the argument that you did your response to my post, namely, that there were broader, global reasons why the US should take a different approach to its relationship with Israel. The article was an expose/contextual piece discussing the supposed intelligence activities of Israel on US soil. While the existence of such invasive intelligence practices could be argued to be cause for a rethink of how we deal with Israel, the article called for no such thing specifically.

    As for the article itself, I might as well link something from Fox News and expect you to take is as justification for why the Republican party is super awesome (they aren't, I'm just making a point). The first paragraph is filled with hyperbole backed by nothing stronger than "...believed to be..." and "...are known to..." It's weak and reeks of an author who's only interested in researching one side of a story.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    puremagic wrote:
    Not to worry, we now have Australia in our Pentagon pockets, so between Matt Handbury, who is the nephew of Rupert Murdoch, and, more importantly, part owner of the Australian Rain Corporation; along with building a new HAARP facility in Australia, the U.S. is weaning itself from Israel. We have our own footprint in the Middle East so we no longer need the everyday eyes of Israel; then there is the financial war of BAWAG vs the Bank Leumi (if you don’t succeed at first, try, try, again) and all those undocumented Swiss accounts that are at stake. Israel’s biggest problems are their financial security and the HAARP technology so spying on the U.S. comes as no surprise.

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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Everyone spies on everyone...
    Yeah, this is the age of facebook after all ;)
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  • Mossad also steals Australian citizens identities and uses fake passports to carry out assasinations.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Mossad also steals Australian citizens identities and uses fake passports to carry out assasinations.
    definitely something to wake the fuck up about.
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