What happened, Ed?
Eliot Rosewater
Posts: 2,659
Remember the good old days of believing in something and someone genuine, authentic, real?
In case you don't remember here is some help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNAoi6ff ... r_embedded
So why the support for Obama? Not only does it boggle the mind because the two are so incredibly different, but I have to question the motive of jumping off the Nader train and onto the Obama train(wreck)...
In case you don't remember here is some help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNAoi6ff ... r_embedded
So why the support for Obama? Not only does it boggle the mind because the two are so incredibly different, but I have to question the motive of jumping off the Nader train and onto the Obama train(wreck)...
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
No but he's a muslim
I'll ask him next time I see him...
But let's just assume for a second that he "isn't bad".
Is that what it's all about?
Or is it about sticking with someone who is something a little better than "not bad"?
People can say what they want about Ralph Nader but there is no denying that he is a true American Hero. He's an honest man. And IMO, and I believe in Ed's opinion, according to past action, interviews, rants, etc. if he were our president, this country and this world would be a better place. So why support a phony instead the last time around instead of sticking with what seemed to be pretty strong conviction that Ralph Nader is the best option? After listening to Ed's staunch support of Nader on several occasions I seriously doubt he ever thought Obama would make a better president than Nader.
So he bought into the whole "vote for the lesser of two evils" argument? I just think it's bullshit. And I think it's shameful. And of all the good things he's said and done I think it's one irresponsible way to use his "celebrity" to get people to buy into some bullshit idea of "hope" while Obama is sucking corporate dicks and killing innocent humans in hopeless and meaningless wars.
the privileged/the worker bees
the inner circle/ the no where near
the rich / the working class
the corporations / ma and pop
the banks / slaves
this is how I see the world now
Republican / Democrat.....joke......the power is the same with a different face and a change up in bullshit. Power is money that is all. If you have it the years to come will be good, if you don't have it you haven't got a prayer, well maybe only a prayer.
why are you so worried about what Ed thinks...?
think for yourself...
as for Nader..he should run for congress and work from there...lots of folks are honest...it doesn't necessarily mean they should be President....
exactly, the things obama has done i am convinced would have happened regardless of which democrat had won. politics is a great big scam, the only difference is what base gets the most crumbs thrown to it which alternates with who is in power.
it seems like people vote to keep the other guy out more than voting to support someone. before the election i kept hearing how it was all about supreme court picks and how we couldn't afford to let mccain pick any and then obama goes and picks kagan???? if any republican had nomintated kagan the left would've gone crazy, the same way they used to be so upset about the patriot act, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, secret prisons, indefinite detention of suspected terrorists without a trial, secret closed door meetings with energy companies and industries then argued we can't know what they talk about because of "national security" because we all know the country would just collapse if iran or al qaeda knew what this administration talked about with the coal industry over their regulations, which i don't think are finished being written yet :roll:
a corporate whore defending the status quo is a corporate whore defending the status quo regardless of what letter is next to their name or what catchy marketing slogans they used during campaign time.
if only the thread was still around when it was leaked obama's chief economic and trade advisor told the canadians obama's anti-nafta rhetoric was more about political posturing than actual policy, it would be funny how they screamed that was a lie if it wasn't so sad that it was proven to be true and it was just empty rhetoric to gain votes and have it just shrugged off. what happened to moral integrity? it seems like people constantly redefine what is ok and keep moving the line of what is acceptable further and further back in order to support their team.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
afw
peace sister
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
Nah, he isn't that bad. I mean if I really got off being in debt and spending more than I can afford I'm sure I'd love him too.
It's not uncommon to admire people for what they believe in. All I'm saying is I admire him less for what I see as giving up on someone with strong values and integrity and a very long history of doing good for others and improving this world, in order to support his competitor who apparently has this bullshit people call "hope".
but, but, but, but....he ended the war in iraq and brought all the troops home*!
*just don't tell that to the 50,000 or so who will stay.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
when dealing with empire small changes in policy affect millions of people, can literally mean life or death for them. and Obama hasn't pulled a Bush, hasn't decided to bomb some defenseless third world country, and he hasn't pulled a Clinton, bombing some pharmecuetical plant in africa......and so far we can almost guarantee he's been better than Mccain....that's a victory. a small victory, but a victory. who knows, maybe next election cycle we will get a real progressive.
but... but... but... arent they 'security advisors' ????
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
true but he DID decide to drop an awful lot of bombs on Pakistan and displaced millions before a very harsh winter....but i guess that doesn't count because they aren't 'defenseless'
also, keep in mind we are on a pearl jam message board, not a commy message board so maybe that's why ed's stances come up more than yours?
and i seriously doubt we will get a real progressive next time because we have them every election cycle but the majority gets too scared of the other team so they don't give them any support. we had real progressives run in several of the past election cycles but instead of showing them support you and many others said things like "fuck that!!!" and supported obama. so it's not 'gee, hopefully next time we will get a real progressive', it's 'gee, hopefully next time people will stop buying into the 2 party scam and support someone who deserves it, not just isn't a little less of a dick than the other guy' what will change from last time when you blamed my vote for 2 terms of Bush?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
do you have no sense of humor? the first part was straight out of flight of the conchords.
i accept the fact that if voting could change the system, as you want it to, really fundamentally change the system, it would be illegal. knowing that going in i absolutely believe the words of late Howard Zinn, when he said small changes in policy can mean life or death for millions.
so yeah, while you're off trying vote in some green party candidate without chance, i'm understanding the rules of the game and trying to make my vote worth something.
change comes from the people utilizing their power, which isn't done with a ballot. if the people stop working, they don't have a country to run.....then we can start making change. history has shown that the ONLY way significant social progress has come has been being mass popular movements, people protesting and striking.
changing their system from within it seems absurd, given that. and that's what you are proposing.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
being a democrocy, ed has the right to speak.
he also has the right to grow up, have a family and change his outlook.
if your stuck in the angry ed 90's maybe you need to grow a bit yourself
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I assume you must lean left, dems have proved much more responsible in spending than repubs over the last 30 years.
maybe he just doesn't care so much anymore.
“I just think that all of us in this room should have a voice in how the USA is represented.
and
“It seems like we got the message across”
- Eddie Vedder
Thank you. For some reason, every individual who has taken a breath is under the false assumption that they are infallible.
Forget the bull shit rhetoric that is spewed, what every problem facing this country comes down to is people. People are the problem.