If you were Obama....

JO268689JO268689 Posts: 19
edited August 2010 in A Moving Train
During the election I was hearing that everyone was excited about President Obama being elected. Since then I've heard, for the most part, how everyone isn't happy about the job he has done. I'd like to hear how everyone feels about his work so far. Are you happy with what he has done? Would you have done anything different? If you would do anything different, what are the chances of it actually be voted on in your favor? Give me your thoughts. I personally think nothing can be done with all of the petty bickering in politics, but I'd like to hear thoughts on the matter. I personally think that each politician must be guaranteed a reach around by the president to get anything accomplished , and it doesn't matter who is the president, nothing can get done. I see some sort of revolution taking place in the near future, there may be no violence, but I see some kind of overthrowing. Please discuss, I'm curious.
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  • TS1969TS1969 Posts: 53
    JO268689 wrote:
    I personally think nothing can be done with all of the petty bickering in politics, but I'd like to hear thoughts on the matter. I personally think that each politician must be guaranteed a reach around by the president to get anything accomplished , and it doesn't matter who is the president, nothing can get done.


    That about sums it up!
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    obama followed the typ9ical United states politician mold. he could have done so much good for some any people, its shame




    one of the first things he promised to do was to pull the troops out of IRaq.. didin't even pretend to make that happen. he also said no lobbyists would take positions in his gov't. ignored that oo. he said he set up universal healthcare...well i sitll don't have it and it sounds like its been watered down by pharm companies anway..


    the most powerful man in the world has to cater to wealthiest.




    obama is a miltant capitalist, as bush and reagan and clinton before.......he does have a shred of common sense that he uses in rare occasisions, which is rare.



    but if i were obama, gitmo would be closed, all enemy combatants wouldbe tried in US courts, id have them sign waivers of course about being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment if convicted, sodomy is a guarantee in our prisons....i'd pull troops out of saudi arabia, iraq, all of the middle east, out of soutjh and central america, out of cuba ocmpletely, out of europe, afghansitan. and i'd pay rpearations for bombs dropped by us and our allies. i'd send the bill to country that dropped the bomb. (no more free rides israel.
    ) id raise minimum wage by 100%, still woulnd' tput in on par with what its b3een in the past.....id make it easier for immigrantes to come and work in this country,m make it harder for companies to exploit illegal labor. id cut the cia's budget by 95%. id cut the fbis budfget by 50%. id elliminate homeland security altogether. i'd subsidize public education, and roads.

    that would be the first meeteing
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    commy sounds drunk as fuck and he's already doing a better job than Obama ;)
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    I voted for him. Happy with some things, not with others. Just like I would be with anyone. I don't believe in agreeing with your party or your candidate 100% of the time and disagreeing with the other one 100% of the time. That's what talk radio is for. And I have plenty of conservative values too. So I think I am pretty center.

    So, if I were Obama . . . hmmm....

    Well first you would have to be a dictator or something because the President is limited by Congress and laws and such (in theory anyway!). So, if I were dictator:

    Immediately cease operations in Iraq. Not that I am necessarily anti-war, but this one was stupid and we are not accomplishing anything of value to the US over there. And it has gone on WAY too long. I would order everyone home, like yesterday. And I mean everyone. No leaving behind "advisors" or whatever. Iraq has had years to get their government together but as long as we are there, why should they? When we are acting like the police force and their army and handling their government and security where is their motivation. I would write them a check in the amount it would take to keep our troops there for 3 months or so and say "See ya! Y'all figure it out." This isn't a liberal idea, this is a money issue.

    Next, I would drastically cut defense spending. I would close down almost every military base we have in the world except for what is necessary to keep North Korea in check since we are treaty-bound to protect them. I know most people are against cutting the military but we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world 1000 times. We have many more ships, planes, tanks, troops, etc. than just about anyone. I'd take us back to pre-WWII levels. This large of a standing military is too expensive and impractical. No country is going to attack us. Not with the nuclear deterrent. And if they did, we could always just ramp up again. Again, see pre-WWII.

    I wouldn't be issuing any apologies or reparations or anything like that to anyone. I would just pack it up, say "hey, we are thinking about different priorities".

    Take the savings from the slash in military spending and build up infrastructure. Our roads and bridges and stuff like that suck. Eisenhower came up with the Interstate Highway system. How about a train system to rival Europe and Japan? Dismantle Amtrack and start over from scratch. Bullet trains.

    Get rid of Homeland Security. Merge the ATF and FBI and have them and the CIA answer to a single authority. What purpose does the Homeland Security department serve anyway? What do they do that the others can't?

    More money to education. We seriously need to catch up on education, with a greater emphasis on math and science. The schools are in bad shape, both physically and academically.

    Serious healthcare overhaul. I don't know the answer, but not what we had and not what Obama and company did either. Insurance companies have too much power over treatment. Drug companies too much influence over doctors. It wasn't always this way here. My parents are always telling me how when I was born, they just paid the doctor his fee and that was it. Now you go to the hospital and if you are lucky enough to have insurance you still get 10 bills from 10 different entities, some of which you may not have even seen. Last time my son was in the hospital, I got a bill from some doctor in another state who looked at his X-ray. Don't remember approving that and we aren't paying for it. He was in the ER for six hours and I get bills from 4 places. Personally I think if you go to the hospital you should get one bill and only one. Is that so hard? The whole thing is ridiculous and someone smarter than me is going to have to come up with something. Of course, all the money I just saved by ending the Iraq war and closing bases would pay for health coverage for all wouldn't it?

    Same with the tax code. Not sure of the answer but there are way too many loopholes and unfairness in this one.

    Legalize marijuana. 1st day. Seriously? How many people are in prison because of a plant? And alcohol is legal? There, I just saved billions. I'll tax it too. Say, $5 a dime bag tax. I just made billions. Was that so hard?

    End monetary support for Israel. Again, I am not necessarily anti-war, and I am not anti-Israel, but just from a practical point of view, what part of our national security do they represent? I am only for spending on the military when it is in our direct national security interest. Let them defend themselves. We don't send wads of cash to other countries every month to help them defend themselves. Oh, wait . . .

    Give American corporations serious tax breaks to keep jobs here. I don't believe in passing a law to force them do so, but sweetening the deal would be OK. I know they get tons of tax breaks now, but I would tie them to specifically keeping jobs here. If that is what it takes to keep them competitive and jobs here then so be it. Better to spend taxpayer money on that than another fighter jet that is so advanced an alien couldn't shoot it down.

    Meh, maybe I would just play golf the whole time. All of the above is too much work and probably not doable anyway.
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    Obama or (Insert president's name here _ _ _ _ ) can't do anything positive for our economy because Big Corps will say "Fuck you, I'm taking my money and going elsewhere" If that happened we would be in the Great Depression v. 2.0

    Basically our country is screwed and things won't ever change.


    Have a nice day! :mrgreen:
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I was going to say a joke but some here would get all worked up so:

    The military from everywhere would be called home. Some if them would then be deployed to the southern border.

    I'd make those that hire illegal aliens pay with jail time, I'd stick CEOs in prison.

    I'd sign into law ending the birthright amendment.

    I'd give businesses big tax breaks to bring manufacturing back to the US. I'd drastically lower our trade deficit. I'd force wal-mart to pay people good wages and benefits.

    I'd end the PATRIOT Act.

    I'd make concealed carry for people who pass safety courses and background checks a SHALL issue.

    I'd end the war on drugs.

    I'd drastically reduce foreign aid.

    No more bailouts for private businesses.

    I'd make it easier to build nuclear plants.

    I'd make it easier for people who wish to be citizens and follow the law to do so.

    All illegal aliens in our prisons would be deported with their home country paying the airfare.

    I'd give life in prison if you commit a violent crime while being in a gang.

    I'd end now and forever any type of estate tax.

    I'd end imminent domain.

    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    More to come.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    unsung wrote:
    I was going to say a joke but some here would get all worked up so:

    The military from everywhere would be called home. Some if them would then be deployed to the southern border.

    I'd make those that hire illegal aliens pay with jail time, I'd stick CEOs in prison.

    I'd sign into law ending the birthright amendment.

    I'd give businesses big tax breaks to bring manufacturing back to the US. I'd drastically lower our trade deficit. I'd force wal-mart to pay people good wages and benefits.

    I'd end the PATRIOT Act.

    I'd make concealed carry for people who pass safety courses and background checks a SHALL issue.

    I'd end the war on drugs.

    I'd drastically reduce foreign aid.

    No more bailouts for private businesses.

    I'd make it easier to build nuclear plants.

    I'd make it easier for people who wish to be citizens and follow the law to do so.

    All illegal aliens in our prisons would be deported with their home country paying the airfare.

    I'd give life in prison if you commit a violent crime while being in a gang.

    I'd end now and forever any type of estate tax.

    I'd end imminent domain.

    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    More to come.

    How exactly as president do you plan on forcing another country to pay for something?

    I agree wholeheartedly with making it easier to become a citizen though - the current situation is several steps beyond ridiculous.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • unsung wrote:
    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    While I agree with many of those on your list, disagree with some and are in the middle on others, this one stood out to me...

    While, I'd like to be in that position some day, I don't really see the correlation of owning your house outright and taxes.

    Basically, say my neighbor's grandparents built their house, and it has paid for decades ago and is transferred down a couple generations... their kids go to our local public school, the street is paved/snow plowed etc in front of their house, police and fire departments respond to their issues, etc., but they don't pay any property taxes, and I pay like $500 a month for the same thing?

    I just don't see how that would work in the long run... small town budgets are tight as it is, all that would happen is that local income taxes, various permit fees, and property taxes on those eligible would skyrocket to cover the budget that they already have.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    As far as the job he has done, the more no one is happy with him the more I begin to think that he is doing something right.

    For all those people who say things like "I would pull all of our troops out right now from everywhere" it just isn't that easy. As much as I want all of them home, and would never again send them out in harms way unless we are invaded, it is impossible to just leave the situations we have created. As President I would prefer military isolationism, but these two areas need to be left in the best way possible.
    And also, he needs to push congress to spend less money. ending the wars would help get the costs of government down, but as a rule, he is allowing too much spending, just like bush before him.

    I would also do something about my dumb, smelly neighbor, I figure if I was president I would be able to do something about his messy garbage pile and the smell...maybe not, but I would sure try. Smells like god damn diapers and old lawn mowing shoes...GROSS!
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    If you were President I'd take a guess you might be moving.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung wrote:
    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    While I agree with many of those on your list, disagree with some and are in the middle on others, this one stood out to me...

    While, I'd like to be in that position some day, I don't really see the correlation of owning your house outright and taxes.

    Basically, say my neighbor's grandparents built their house, and it has paid for decades ago and is transferred down a couple generations... their kids go to our local public school, the street is paved/snow plowed etc in front of their house, police and fire departments respond to their issues, etc., but they don't pay any property taxes, and I pay like $500 a month for the same thing?

    I just don't see how that would work in the long run... small town budgets are tight as it is, all that would happen is that local income taxes, various permit fees, and property taxes on those eligible would skyrocket to cover the budget that they already have.


    Well maybe then do something that would lock them in at the rate of their last year of their mortgage. I hate reading how a family farm that has 100 acres goes into a tax sale because the property around it starts being commercially developed and the tax rates go through the roof.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    unsung wrote:
    I was going to say a joke but some here would get all worked up so:

    The military from everywhere would be called home. Some if them would then be deployed to the southern border.

    I'd make those that hire illegal aliens pay with jail time, I'd stick CEOs in prison.

    I'd sign into law ending the birthright amendment.

    I'd give businesses big tax breaks to bring manufacturing back to the US. I'd drastically lower our trade deficit. I'd force wal-mart to pay people good wages and benefits.

    I'd end the PATRIOT Act.

    I'd make concealed carry for people who pass safety courses and background checks a SHALL issue.

    I'd end the war on drugs.

    I'd drastically reduce foreign aid.

    No more bailouts for private businesses.

    I'd make it easier to build nuclear plants.

    I'd make it easier for people who wish to be citizens and follow the law to do so.

    All illegal aliens in our prisons would be deported with their home country paying the airfare.

    I'd give life in prison if you commit a violent crime while being in a gang.

    I'd end now and forever any type of estate tax.

    I'd end imminent domain.

    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    More to come.


    You got my vote. :thumbup:
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    As far as the job he has done, the more no one is happy with him the more I begin to think that he is doing something right.

    For all those people who say things like "I would pull all of our troops out right now from everywhere" it just isn't that easy. As much as I want all of them home, and would never again send them out in harms way unless we are invaded, it is impossible to just leave the situations we have created. As President I would prefer military isolationism, but these two areas need to be left in the best way possible.
    And also, he needs to push congress to spend less money. ending the wars would help get the costs of government down, but as a rule, he is allowing too much spending, just like bush before him.

    I would also do something about my dumb, smelly neighbor, I figure if I was president I would be able to do something about his messy garbage pile and the smell...maybe not, but I would sure try. Smells like god damn diapers and old lawn mowing shoes...GROSS!


    Yeah, but doesn't your dirty smelly neighbor keep your taxes down? :lol:
  • unsung wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    If you own your property free and clear no more property taxes.

    While I agree with many of those on your list, disagree with some and are in the middle on others, this one stood out to me...

    While, I'd like to be in that position some day, I don't really see the correlation of owning your house outright and taxes.

    Basically, say my neighbor's grandparents built their house, and it has paid for decades ago and is transferred down a couple generations... their kids go to our local public school, the street is paved/snow plowed etc in front of their house, police and fire departments respond to their issues, etc., but they don't pay any property taxes, and I pay like $500 a month for the same thing?

    I just don't see how that would work in the long run... small town budgets are tight as it is, all that would happen is that local income taxes, various permit fees, and property taxes on those eligible would skyrocket to cover the budget that they already have.


    Well maybe then do something that would lock them in at the rate of their last year of their mortgage. I hate reading how a family farm that has 100 acres goes into a tax sale because the property around it starts being commercially developed and the tax rates go through the roof.

    I can agree with that... People we know are retired, and about 10 years ago built their dream home on about 15 acres in the country... In the past five years, their taxes have more than doubled, to the point where they need to sell it.
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