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Nirvana listeners or poets?

Foe40deesFoe40dees Posts: 98
edited September 2010 in Other Music
what does he mean when he says "in bloom?"
does it have something to do with poppies?
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    what ebout people who don't listen to Nirvana and are published authors of fiction?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    what if kurt cobain died and no one gave a shit?
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  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    I think poppies is a very good call, given the fact the song was written by Kurt about his friend, Dylan Carlson. The two used to do heroin together, so poppies makes sense. Strangely enough, Dylan actually bought Kurt the Remington shotgun Kurt would eventually use to kill himself (conspiracy theories aside).
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    catefrances wrote:
    what if kurt cobain died and no one gave a shit?

    Then this thread probably wouldn't exist :roll:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Generalissimo wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    what if kurt cobain died and no one gave a shit?

    Then this thread probably wouldn't exist :roll:

    what makes you think it does now?
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  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    catefrances wrote:
    Generalissimo wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    what if kurt cobain died and no one gave a shit?

    Then this thread probably wouldn't exist :roll:

    what makes you think it does now?

    Hahah don't get all existential on me...
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Generalissimo wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Generalissimo wrote:

    Then this thread probably wouldn't exist :roll:

    what makes you think it does now?

    Hahah don't get all existential on me...

    cant help it... im drinking, though not drunk, im listening to NIN and am totally fucking bored out of my skull.
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  • smithnicsmithnic Posts: 1,563
    "Bruises on the fruit, tender age in bloom"

    Hardly think that has to do with poppies...
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  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    catefrances wrote:
    cant help it... im drinking, though not drunk, im listening to NIN and am totally fucking bored out of my skull.

    NICE! I am also bored out of my skull -- but not drinking, unfortunately. Instead, I am sitting at my desk at work, surfing these boards.
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    smithnic wrote:
    "Bruises on the fruit, tender age in bloom"

    Hardly think that has to do with poppies...

    What do you think it means?
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Generalissimo wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    cant help it... im drinking, though not drunk, im listening to NIN and am totally fucking bored out of my skull.

    NICE! I am also bored out of my skull -- but not drinking, unfortunately. Instead, I am sitting at my desk at work, surfing these boards.

    well drinking @ breakfast time is a bit wrong. but i too am sitting at a desk... and this kind of surfing requires no wet suit.
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  • julesandianjulesandian Posts: 487
    "Tender age in Bloom" = Puberty

    The verses are connected. Take line 1 from verse 1 and line 1 from verse 2 and so on.

    "Sell the kids for food" + "We can have some more" (Reference to children of broken marriages/step families)

    "Weather changes moods" + "Nature is a whore" (Female cycle affected by moon, moon affects weather)

    "Spring is here again" + "Bruises on the fruit" (Teenage sexual awakening/experimentation)

    "Reproductive Glands" + "Tender age in Bloom" (Puberty)

    The chorus is for all the people that he thought of as bullies, jocks etc that jumped on the seattle sound as it became popular but didn't give a shit about the music, but wouldn't have given them the time of day until it was "cool".

    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    julesandian wrote:

    The chorus is for all the people that he thought of as bullies, jocks etc that jumped on the seattle sound as it became popular but didn't give a shit about the music, but wouldn't have given them the time of day until it was "cool".

    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.

    Was the chorus really for that though? Seattle didn't blow up until after this album came out.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    South of Seattle wrote:
    julesandian wrote:

    The chorus is for all the people that he thought of as bullies, jocks etc that jumped on the seattle sound as it became popular but didn't give a shit about the music, but wouldn't have given them the time of day until it was "cool".

    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.

    Was the chorus really for that though? Seattle didn't blow up until after this album came out.

    yep it was. nirvana were gaining a following before nevermind came out. it was more an observation of how differently people who thoght they were losers and worth nothing treated them when they discovered the band actually had talent, than the whole seattle scene. the chorus it quite clever really when you consider the italicised line.

    He’s the one
    Who likes all our pretty songs
    And he likes to sing along
    And he likes to shoot his gun
    But he knows not what it means
    Knows not what it means
    when I say
    He’s the one
    Who likes all our pretty songs
    And he likes to sing along
    And he likes to shoot his gun
    But he knows not what it means
    Knows not what it means
    when I say yeeeaaahhh
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  • julesandianjulesandian Posts: 487
    South of Seattle wrote:
    julesandian wrote:

    The chorus is for all the people that he thought of as bullies, jocks etc that jumped on the seattle sound as it became popular but didn't give a shit about the music, but wouldn't have given them the time of day until it was "cool".

    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.

    Was the chorus really for that though? Seattle didn't blow up until after this album came out.

    Seattle didn't blow up to the rest of the world till around Nevermind, but before Nevermind there was:

    The Melvins, Green River, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Tad, Alice In Chains and numerous others as well as Bleach so the gig circuit in Seattle was the in thing for the "cool locals" before it blew up. God I miss the early 90's. ;)
  • evenflowevenflow Posts: 401
    Generalissimo wrote:
    Strangely enough, Dylan actually bought Kurt the Remington shotgun Kurt would eventually use to kill himself (conspiracy theories aside).

    I had always heard that the shotgun was the last purchase that he made, and he had to pay for it with his credit card because all of his money was frozen by Courtney?
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    catefrances wrote:
    Generalissimo wrote:
    Hahah don't get all existential on me...

    cant help it... im drinking, though not drunk, im listening to NIN and am totally fucking bored out of my skull.

    that doesn't surprise me, since Trent Reznor has written the same song 100 times.

    i'm sorta kidding. i've seen NIN twice, but that was in another lifetime.
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Providence Posts: 99
    evenflow wrote:
    Generalissimo wrote:
    Strangely enough, Dylan actually bought Kurt the Remington shotgun Kurt would eventually use to kill himself (conspiracy theories aside).

    I had always heard that the shotgun was the last purchase that he made, and he had to pay for it with his credit card because all of his money was frozen by Courtney?

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/marking-kurt-cobains-death?page=6
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    kenny olav wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Generalissimo wrote:
    Hahah don't get all existential on me...

    cant help it... im drinking, though not drunk, im listening to NIN and am totally fucking bored out of my skull.

    that doesn't surprise me, since Trent Reznor has written the same song 100 times.

    i'm sorta kidding. i've seen NIN twice, but that was in another lifetime.

    only 100 times??? youre too kind. ;) :P :lol:

    ive only had one lifetime, but many chapters within and NIN have been there for a lot of it and still are. 8-)
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    julesandian wrote:
    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.

    I once read an interview how it bothered him that people were constantly trying to figure out the meanings of his lyrics, and he said most of them had no meaning as many of the songs were combinations of different poems he wrote and he put them together just so they would fit the melody. He seemed geniune, not just trying to get fans off his back.

    I'm listening to the box set right now. Lots of it is unlistenable, but the few gems were worth the money. I personally wouldn't want ANYONE to hear my old band's first jamming tapes. they are HORRIBLE. And so are some of Nirvana's.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    heartbreaker!! heartbreaker!!
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  • julesandianjulesandian Posts: 487
    Paul David wrote:
    julesandian wrote:
    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.

    I once read an interview how it bothered him that people were constantly trying to figure out the meanings of his lyrics, and he said most of them had no meaning as many of the songs were combinations of different poems he wrote and he put them together just so they would fit the melody. He seemed geniune, not just trying to get fans off his back.

    I'm listening to the box set right now. Lots of it is unlistenable, but the few gems were worth the money. I personally wouldn't want ANYONE to hear my old band's first jamming tapes. they are HORRIBLE. And so are some of Nirvana's.

    I have seen that interview as well, but in his Journals Kurt used to write the lyrics out to the songs, so even if the lines have been pulled together from different poems, he still spent time piecing them together, and as you can tell from the box set there are many versions of songs that the lyrics evolved - best example is probably Pay to Play becoming Stay Away. Guess we'll never really know, but at least we have the music. Such a hugely missed talent. :(
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    julesandian wrote:
    Such a hugely missed talent. :(

    yeah, yet it's hard to say what his music would be like if he were still alive and recording today. he said the new stuff he was writing sounded more like REM than Nirvana. :sick:

    Who knows. No one could have predicted what Metallica would have eventually evolved into either, listening to Kill Em All you'd NEVER expect them to put out those two Loads (of crap).
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  • FenwayFaithfulFenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    julesandian wrote:
    "Tender age in Bloom" = Puberty

    The verses are connected. Take line 1 from verse 1 and line 1 from verse 2 and so on.

    "Sell the kids for food" + "We can have some more" (Reference to children of broken marriages/step families)

    "Weather changes moods" + "Nature is a whore" (Female cycle affected by moon, moon affects weather)

    "Spring is here again" + "Bruises on the fruit" (Teenage sexual awakening/experimentation)

    "Reproductive Glands" + "Tender age in Bloom" (Puberty)

    The chorus is for all the people that he thought of as bullies, jocks etc that jumped on the seattle sound as it became popular but didn't give a shit about the music, but wouldn't have given them the time of day until it was "cool".

    Kurt Cobain was an amazing lyricist, and one that really played with his words. A lot of his lyrics seem nonsense but hardly any of them are.
    Well put. I agree with this 100%.
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  • jamesmonzo1jamesmonzo1 Posts: 40
    Doesn't the chorus also have to do with his contempt of the redneck/macho man? From various interviews/recordings, he constantly uses this explanation. Then again most of these songs weren't in finished form until minutes prior to recording. So I guess it's a bit of random tid-bits that have a similar attitude to the progression of the song and what ever what was on Kurt's mind. :?:
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