Are people really this bored?
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
now thats a sport. NOT
Frankly, it still looks safer the bull riding. Or dare I say, MEGA RAMP.
:thumbup:
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
wtf kind of answers are they looking for?
But before we all ridicule the guy...we should recognize that people participate in equally inane passtimes which put us in harm's way all the time. I hope we are just as condescending when one of our UFC heroes die in the ring.
having been a fighter i can tell you that ufc will not allow a fighter to die in the octagon. the refs will not let that happen and on many times they stop fights too early. but i understand your point. if chuck liddell gets knocked out again and dies of a subdural hematoma i wonder what the reaction on here would be?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
yes i was talking about your comment, among others. and no i am not "drawing lines in the sand" or invoking any "false morality". thinning the herd is a very insensitive and condescending thing to say. everyone always acts like they are so superior and more highly evolved than everyone else, yet making fun of people who died is the highest form of immaturity in my opinion. especially when they guy was unknown to the person doing the insulting. and no i am not being hyper-sensitive. it is about having empathy for the man's family and those that knew and loved him. he was trying to win a competition. if kobayashi choked on a hot dog and died i would feel the same way about him and his family.
was it a stupid contest to enter? yes.
was the result tragic? yes.
was the end result a matter to laugh and joke about and call the man stupid? no. not at all. the man died a horrible death. he basically cooked to death. that is not a laughing matter to me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I really dont feel like getting into this again, but what the hell...this is the exact same argument we had after you said smokers deserved to die of cancer.
Like i mentioned earlier; we ALL do things that put us in harm's way every day. That doesnt mean we deserve it if harm comes our way. If you had a family member die in a car accident, it would be highly insensitive for us to laugh about how foolish they were to drive, and comment on the thinning of the heard, etc.
I think your premise is sound, but far too black and white....too much logic, not enough heart.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
not to be cold, but the guy cooked himself. how much sympathy should we really have for him?
yep its sad for his family and friends . But really shouldt those exact people have stopped him from entering such a stupid thing in the first place.
I laugh at death everyday.
does it scare me . no
do i fear its coming NO
why because I aint stupid enough to put myself in these situatiions
or at least not since my late teen/ 20 s surfing some pretty stupid paces and sizes and driving my car waaaaaaay to fast lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5451867
By Rick Reilly
Some people say they would die before giving up. Now we have one man who proved it, and one who nearly did.
A Russian, Vladimir Ladyzhenskiy, died Saturday and a Finn, five-time champion Timo Kaukonen, was hospitalized in serious condition after refusing to quit Saturday in the World Sauna Championships in Heinola, Finland.
The final started with six men, but the 230-degree heat was so literally scarring that four of them left after only two to three minutes, a very early exit for a competitor in the final.
A woman, who asked not to be identified, witnessed the entire thing. She writes:
"I saw Timo and the Russian confirming [to medics] every 10 or 20 seconds that they were OK. They were raising their thumbs all the time but after six minutes -- and only seconds after another raised thumb -- the referees decided to take them both out, first Timo who was still able to -- or at least half able, with some help -- to come out. The Russian had to be dragged out and after that he fell on the floor in front of the sauna and was sort of convulsing and cramping. Then they put a curtain up in front as they [medics] worked on them."
No wonder. Just the photos of the Russian are ghastly.
Blisters and burns cover most of his body. The blisters had burst, covering the floor of the sauna in blood.
I know something of the crippling heat they suffered because I competed in the event in 2007. Our saunas were actually hotter -- 260 degrees Fahrenheit - but there was something worse this time, something exponentially more scorching.
"It doesn't feel good getting in there this year," Kaukonen said before the final, in Finnish. "But I will clench my teeth and see where this leads us."
It led him to the ICU, and Ladyzhenskiy to his coffin.
The mystery is what happened. According to Ossi Arvela, the organizer, all the rules and safety precautions were followed. The temperatures in the sauna were similar to other years and the times of the competitors were about the same -- until the gruesome final.
When you enter the WSC, you sign a waiver saying you know saunas can cause "injury and death." I didn't see death my year, but I saw the way there.
I remember the only other American entered -- a New Yorker named Rick Ellis -- getting out of his first "heat" after 8 minutes. I wrote in my book, "Sports from Hell":
I'm waiting to congratulate him when I notice something awful. There's two big patches of skin missing on his upper lip, just under his nostrils. "Dude, were you by any chance breathing through your nose in there?" "Yeah, why?" he says. "Your skin is all gone under your nose! It's burnt off!" He feels his upper lip in horror. He runs to the mirror. It's worse. The tops of his ears have split open and are bubbling. Under his arms and on his back are bright purple patches. His forehead is painted bright red and blistering in front of his eyes. I take him to the beer garden to try to cool him off, but nothing helps. He is sweating like Pam Anderson at Bible study. "Man, I'm burning up. Even my tongue is burnt." His wife begs him to quit, but he refuses. Says he's trained too hard. She shakes her head. He refused to quit, though, and moved on to the second round later in the day. In that one, he bolted out after only 4 minutes and 15 seconds.
When we greet him, I nearly ralph. He is melting like the wicked witch. His forehead, his lips, and his ears are giant sacks of pus. His tricep is riddled with pebble-sized blisters, dozens of them. So much skin is hanging off him he looks like the world's most successful gastric-bypass patient. His forehead is a science fiction movie. His nose is cooked like a forgotten kielbasa. And this is just what we can see. "I don't know, man," I say. "Maybe you should go to first aid." "Nah, I'm fine!" he insists. "Although, it does kinda hurt back here." He lifts up his shirt and there it is: this horrible, huge, pus-filled huge sack -- the size of a $3 pancake -- just hanging off his armpit. His wife gasps. My wife turns away in horror.
When we drag him to the first-aid EMT, the guy says, "You must go to the hospital. Within 24 hours, when these blisters break, you will lose lots of fluid. You will be highly susceptible to infection. We can't do anything for you here. It is too serious."
So we pile him into our rented Volvo and take him to the hospital, where, as we're leaving, his wife is shaking her head.
Water boils at 212 degrees, so walking into that sauna feels like you're climbing into your own personal pizza oven and closing the door. It feels like benzene torches have been stuck in your mouth, your ears and your nose. Every 30 seconds, they drop a pitiless stream of water on the white-hot rocks in the middle of the sauna. That steam hits you like a slap in the face from the devil himself. But there are 1,000 people in the audience watching you and a Finnish national TV audience and your family and friends, so you take as much pain as possible before your brain screams "Let's get out of here!"
The problem is, sometimes your body can't obey. In the women's final in 2007, a Belarusian woman, Natalya Trifanova, was so crumpled by the heat that she literally couldn't get up off the bench to save herself. Panicked, she motioned for the medics to come get her.
I wrote:
Natalya motions the judges again, "Come get me!" At last, they go in -- and you can see the heat hit them in the face like a Holyfield right -- but they can't get her off the bench! It's as though she is glued! One try! Two tries! Nothing! She's going to die in there, in front of 500 people! Finally, they get a third man, and they're able to scrape her off the bench. They try to get her into a wheelchair, but it's like trying to put an elm tree into a box, limbs are everywhere, and spasming. At last they fold her into it and race her to the cold showers.
Natalya wound up fine, just as Kaukonen always survived happily. Kaukonen trains year-round for this one weekend. He gets in hotter saunas than the WSC three times a day. He drinks three to four gallons of water a day. He is sponsored by a sauna manufacturer. He arrived at the event in a mobile home with a sauna inside it. For him to nearly die in a sauna after only six minutes is like a dolphin nearly drowning. Sometimes, the competitive instinct will kill you.
"Why is it that 128 [other competitors] leave the sauna when their body tells them to and then these two [don't]," the witness writes. "What were they thinking, or were they thinking at all? There must be some explanation or reason why they stayed there over three minutes longer than the others, why their skin burnt the way it did and reacted the way it did, in a way never seen before. I hope the [police] investigation gives us some answers."
This was the 12th championship. Arvela says he'll never hold it again.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Either way, that shit would sell
But but …you seem to revel in throwing it in people’s faces when the worst-case comes to fruition. My point from our prior discussion remains: people take measured risks all the time. I don’t think people deserve to die of ignorance, or misplaced faith in those around them, or precedents/odds related to that risk. Yes, this competition is beyond stupid, they were stubborn enough to die accidentally, ….and on my death scale of one to give-a-fuck, this rates about a 2. But…that doesn’t mean I feel entitled to ridicule his choice or talk shit about him while his family grieves. I guess it comes down to the old “too soon?” joke. I’ve been guilty of off-colour jokes about the deceased myself, so I’m not trying to be preachy…
What's outlandish is to see you speak of false bravado when there is no way in hell you would have the balls to say these things directly to the guys family. Even if they agreed with you, I'm sure they'd take exception to your insensitive approach.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
yes, people are really bored enough to outlast others in a sauna. and yes, people are really bored enough to be offended by someones comments about it.
come on, guys. gaza, iraq, iran, israel, mosques near ground zero, gun control, and abortions aren't enough for you to be going back and forth about?
So lets get this straight...we're ridiculous for commenting on a topic on a message board....but your comments about those comments should be taken seriously? Isnt this akin to one of those posts/threads bitching about the number of people bitching around here? :?
no, i didn't say anything about people talking about this subject. what i find laughable is the fact that an argument started in this thread. honestly, someone could post about pimples on their ass and an argument would begin within the first 5 replies to the original post.
There is a history to the discussion between FiveB247X and myself that you may not have seen...that's where this is coming from. I think it's a pretty valid, interesting discussion personally...if you don't, well....not much we can do about that.
lol, i see what you're saying, but i'm not arguing. just find it funny. sometimes, i don't really get my point across that well.
anyway, have at it.