Left-leaning media?

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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    I know, I always giggle when MSM is put the way it is, completely different meaning to a lot of the people I work with.

    Also, here is a study http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

    Kuypers is another person you should read about. He has done some interesting studies. He wrote a pretty interesting book about the media and 9/11 coverage and shortly after. Good stuff.

    I dont know, in the end perception is reality and if you perceive a bias you will find one.
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    I know, I always giggle when MSM is put the way it is, completely different meaning to a lot of the people I work with.

    Also, here is a study http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

    Kuypers is another person you should read about. He has done some interesting studies. He wrote a pretty interesting book about the media and 9/11 coverage and shortly after. Good stuff.

    I dont know, in the end perception is reality and if you perceive a bias you will find one.

    thats quite an interesting read actually, it seems the news leans left rather than the media though, considering it didn't include opinion pieces
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    I know, I always giggle when MSM is put the way it is, completely different meaning to a lot of the people I work with.

    Also, here is a study http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

    Kuypers is another person you should read about. He has done some interesting studies. He wrote a pretty interesting book about the media and 9/11 coverage and shortly after. Good stuff.

    I dont know, in the end perception is reality and if you perceive a bias you will find one.

    this is at least a better study than the example previously given ...

    i will add again tho that it really depends on how one describes being left ... i mean the NAACP is about civil liberties but hardly anyone i know who is left in my mind would consider them a reputable source for opinions ...

    having said that - if people think obama is left ... then the media definitely leans that way ... but really, he is far more centrist than left ...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    FiveB247x wrote:
    You're missing the point. Yes, there are some media that veers to the left and some to the right in their biases, but as a whole, the whole media for our nation is not skewed to the left, it's actual far from it.. it's big business interests and nothing more. Solely because MSNBC or CNN veers left does not mean the whole media is skewed that ways just as FOX's right does not represent the whole media. Those are singular examples of specific stations. If you want to read some good books about media and ownership in our nation and how it is skewed, read this Media Monopoly by Ben Bagdikian: http://benbagdikian.net/
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Please man.. I hear democrats refer to Hillary Clinton's healtcare as Hillarycare all the time. You shouldn't let petty semantics cloud your brain. The facts are every single news entity except fox leans left and you have MSNBC that is way left and out right nasty somtimes.


    I see your point.But I dissagree. For example take the last presidential election.All the networks were either for Obama or Hillary. They hardly if ever had anything good to say about Sara Palin or Mcain or any other republican candidate for that matter. Take General Electric. You could say that's Obama's Halliburton. GE which Ownes NBC,MSNBC.GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama.”
    Not only that just look at which networks cover or report on certain stories. For example Fox News was the only network for weeks that talked about Obama's ties with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. The Acorn story is another example. I could keep going, but I would be here all day..
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I see your point.But I dissagree. For example take the last presidential election.All the networks were either for Obama or Hillary. They hardly if ever had anything good to say about Sara Palin or Mcain or any other republican candidate for that matter. Take General Electric. You could say that's Obama's Halliburton. GE which Ownes NBC,MSNBC.GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama.”
    Not only that just look at which networks cover or report on certain stories. For example Fox News was the only network for weeks that talked about Obama's ties with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. The Acorn story is another example. I could keep going, but I would be here all day..

    again tho ... your foundation of obama/democrats = left is the caveat here ...

    look at the anti-obama posts here, they are equally distributed by you (right) and those on the left ... people who are truly left do not consider the democrats nor obama to be left ...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited August 2010
    well they sure as hell aren't to the right and the opposite of right is left. It also depends on issues. Like the war in afghanistan I would say he's no different than Bush.As a matter of fact predator attacks have increased under Obama,but on domestic issues I don't know how anyone could possibly think that he's not trying to steer America to the left.

    But I thought we were talking about the media :?
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    You're naming a few left leaning news channels, did all of them do this? Was FOX news or other right leaning channels doing the same? The answer is of course not. If our whole media was "left" (which Obama and dems really aren't), every news medium would be as you are describing and that simply isn't nor has ever been the case. You don't seem to grasp the difference between a single news source being biased compared everything being biased in the same direction. Fox news is an example of a right wing biased news forum, but solely because they lean to the right, it doesn't mean the entire US media (books, tv, papers, magazines, etc) is shifted that way, but that is what you are claiming.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I see your point.But I dissagree. For example take the last presidential election.All the networks were either for Obama or Hillary. They hardly if ever had anything good to say about Sara Palin or Mcain or any other republican candidate for that matter. Take General Electric. You could say that's Obama's Halliburton. GE which Ownes NBC,MSNBC.GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama.”
    Not only that just look at which networks cover or report on certain stories. For example Fox News was the only network for weeks that talked about Obama's ties with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. The Acorn story is another example. I could keep going, but I would be here all day..
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    prfctlefts wrote:
    well they sure as hell aren't to the right and the opposite of right is left. It also depends on issues. Like the war in afghanistan I would say he's no different than Bush.As a matter of fact predator attacks have increased under Obama,but on domestic issues I don't know how anyone could possibly think that he's not trying to steer America to the left.

    But I thought we were talking about the media :?

    yeah but to the rest of the world america is already to to right, so he may be bringing it to the left but thats still quite centerist, in fact in europe it would be right leaning centerist
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    prfctlefts wrote:
    well they sure as hell aren't to the right and the opposite of right is left. It also depends on issues. Like the war in afghanistan I would say he's no different than Bush.As a matter of fact predator attacks have increased under Obama,but on domestic issues I don't know how anyone could possibly think that he's not trying to steer America to the left.

    But I thought we were talking about the media :?

    we are talking about the media but you continually use obama as your reasoning that the media leans left ...

    the opposite of right is indeed left however, we are talking about a political spectrum and in that context ... there are degrees of right and degrees of left ... and there is also a centre ...

    the left would argue that the corporatization of america is more holistically supported by the right ... as it's usually the right that wants corporations to have little oversight by gov't and are always in favour of deregulation ... it is also the right who is not in favour of environmental regulations, something the left supports ... so, when we are talking about a mainstream media that essentially cowtails to corporate america - there is no part of the left that sees the mainstream media as friendly ...

    where is the mainstream media on iraq and afghanistan now, where are they on human right abuses around the world, where are they on climate change? ... these are all key issues that concern the left and they have very little face time in the mainstream media ...

    the mainstream media promotes a corporate agenda ... it's really that simple ... any news that may or may not get thrown in the mix is purely superficial in nature ...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    FiveB247x wrote:
    You're naming a few left leaning news channels, did all of them do this? Was FOX news or other right leaning channels doing the same? The answer is of course not. If our whole media was "left" (which Obama and dems really aren't), every news medium would be as you are describing and that simply isn't nor has ever been the case. You don't seem to grasp the difference between a single news source being biased compared everything being biased in the same direction. Fox news is an example of a right wing biased news forum, but solely because they lean to the right, it doesn't mean the entire US media (books, tv, papers, magazines, etc) is shifted that way, but that is what you are claiming.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I see your point.But I dissagree. For example take the last presidential election.All the networks were either for Obama or Hillary. They hardly if ever had anything good to say about Sara Palin or Mcain or any other republican candidate for that matter. Take General Electric. You could say that's Obama's Halliburton. GE which Ownes NBC,MSNBC.GE CEO Jeff Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and GE owns MSNBC, the network famously friendly to Obama.”
    Not only that just look at which networks cover or report on certain stories. For example Fox News was the only network for weeks that talked about Obama's ties with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers. The Acorn story is another example. I could keep going, but I would be here all day..


    Other right leaning channels :lol: and just where are these channels ? ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC ALL LEAN TO THE LEFT... With all due respect man you and others are completly nuts if you dont think that the majority of the media whether it be television or print media ( news papers) aren't left leaning.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    FiveB247x wrote:
    CNN veers left

    Does it really though? What I saw of it recently seemed surprisingly conservative to me. :?
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    polaris_x wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    well they sure as hell aren't to the right and the opposite of right is left. It also depends on issues. Like the war in afghanistan I would say he's no different than Bush.As a matter of fact predator attacks have increased under Obama,but on domestic issues I don't know how anyone could possibly think that he's not trying to steer America to the left.

    But I thought we were talking about the media :?

    we are talking about the media but you continually use obama as your reasoning that the media leans left ...

    the opposite of right is indeed left however, we are talking about a political spectrum and in that context ... there are degrees of right and degrees of left ... and there is also a centre ...

    the left would argue that the corporatization of america is more holistically supported by the right ... as it's usually the right that wants corporations to have little oversight by gov't and are always in favour of deregulation ... it is also the right who is not in favour of environmental regulations, something the left supports ... so, when we are talking about a mainstream media that essentially cowtails to corporate america - there is no part of the left that sees the mainstream media as friendly ...

    where is the mainstream media on iraq and afghanistan now, where are they on human right abuses around the world, where are they on climate change? ... these are all key issues that concern the left and they have very little face time in the mainstream media ...

    the mainstream media promotes a corporate agenda ... it's really that simple ... any news that may or may not get thrown in the mix is purely superficial in nature ...


    Ok.. I can see why you would think that.. I guess im looking at it through more of a political side of things. Also I would have to dissagree with you to some extent on the issues you listed. In other words I consider my self to be a conservative/independent/libertarian and I want a clean enviorment but at the same time I don't want the EPA coming in to my home or my life telling me I have to use a certain kind of lightbulb or im going to get fined.

    As far as a "corporate agenda" Im not really sure what you mean by that..Im all for the gov making sure that corporations sren't hurting consumers but not at the cost of doing the opposite
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    satansbed wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    I know, I always giggle when MSM is put the way it is, completely different meaning to a lot of the people I work with.

    Also, here is a study http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

    Kuypers is another person you should read about. He has done some interesting studies. He wrote a pretty interesting book about the media and 9/11 coverage and shortly after. Good stuff.

    I dont know, in the end perception is reality and if you perceive a bias you will find one.

    thats quite an interesting read actually, it seems the news leans left rather than the media though, considering it didn't include opinion pieces
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is at least a better study than the example previously given ...

    i will add again tho that it really depends on how one describes being left ... i mean the NAACP is about civil liberties but hardly anyone i know who is left in my mind would consider them a reputable source for opinions ...

    having said that - if people think obama is left ... then the media definitely leans that way ... but really, he is far more centrist than left ...

    I'll have to read the article later, but thanks for posting. I agree with the posts above, though, that in order to answer this question (Does the media lean to the left?) we need to define "media" and "left".
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Firstly, let's put this part to rest - the Democrats are not "left", they are merely more liberal version of the republican party. In sum we basically have two parties one of which is the right and one that is to the right but leans towards center... we do not have any real "left" major parties.

    Secondly, the entire US media is corporate own and privately run.. how do you explain if they are so "left" that their entire motive is profit driven, to mis-inform the public via non-reporting, frame debate of citizens and shifted bias to make everyone good, happy patriotic citizens? This may not be your understanding of the media as a whole, but tons of legitimate studies have shown this is what our media as a whole does in practice. So how do you account for this? How would the whole media being "left" veer everyone's opinions in a different direction? If the media were really working the way you proclaim, we'd read and hear nothing but "leftist" propaganda which would undermine all the things you claim they are doing.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Other right leaning channels :lol: and just where are these channels ? ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC ALL LEAN TO THE LEFT... With all due respect man you and others are completly nuts if you dont think that the majority of the media whether it be television or print media ( news papers) aren't left leaning.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Other right leaning channels :lol: and just where are these channels ? ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC ALL LEAN TO THE LEFT... With all due respect man you and others are completly nuts if you dont think that the majority of the media whether it be television or print media ( news papers) aren't left leaning.

    I've asked you to please explicitly show me how these media outlets all lean to the left. I'll ask again. Please explicitly demonstrate how these media outlets truly lean to the left. You say we're nuts if we don't see it, but you haven't shown it. This is your chance.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Ok.. I can see why you would think that.. I guess im looking at it through more of a political side of things. Also I would have to dissagree with you to some extent on the issues you listed. In other words I consider my self to be a conservative/independent/libertarian and I want a clean enviorment but at the same time I don't want the EPA coming in to my home or my life telling me I have to use a certain kind of lightbulb or im going to get fined.

    As far as a "corporate agenda" Im not really sure what you mean by that..Im all for the gov making sure that corporations sren't hurting consumers but not at the cost of doing the opposite

    the problems in america start and end with the big corporations ... their ability to influence gov't policy whether they be dems or repubs ... your reference to the EPA is great example ... the EPA is not independent and operates soley in the interests of the ruling party and the corporations they serve ...

    believe it or not, the left are not interested in gov't telling people what they can or cannot do but are rather interested in a gov't that considers the whole of society rather than specific interests ...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    scb wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Other right leaning channels :lol: and just where are these channels ? ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC ALL LEAN TO THE LEFT... With all due respect man you and others are completly nuts if you dont think that the majority of the media whether it be television or print media ( news papers) aren't left leaning.

    I've asked you to please explicitly show me how these media outlets all lean to the left. I'll ask again. Please explicitly demonstrate how these media outlets truly lean to the left. You say we're nuts if we don't see it, but you haven't shown it. This is your chance.



    scb.. Your going to have to sit down and actually watch the news on diffferent networks to see what Im talking about. For example. Watch special report on fox. Its not op ed like Beck,Hannity,or O'reilly and then watch one of the other networks.
    Did you not go to the newsbusters link ? Here's another link
    http://www.aim.org/
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    polaris_x wrote:
    the problems in america start and end with the big corporations ... their ability to influence gov't policy whether they be dems or repubs ...

    and that my friend is what we conservatives call cronie capitalism or corprotism. And we want nothing to do with it. It hurts our country and it gives capitalism a bad name.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    But this is exactly what the media is and is owned and run by yet you don't acknowledge it. Simply because some news channels veer their bias, doesn't mean that's really their agenda. The agenda of the media is not to imform and hasn't been for a long time, it's to profit, spread the gospel of corporate America and frame public debate (ie tell people roughly what they can and can't discuss in open forum).
    prfctlefts wrote:
    [and that my friend is what we conservatives call cronie capitalism or corprotism. And we want nothing to do with it. It hurts our country and it gives capitalism a bad name.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    scb wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Other right leaning channels :lol: and just where are these channels ? ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC ALL LEAN TO THE LEFT... With all due respect man you and others are completly nuts if you dont think that the majority of the media whether it be television or print media ( news papers) aren't left leaning.

    I've asked you to please explicitly show me how these media outlets all lean to the left. I'll ask again. Please explicitly demonstrate how these media outlets truly lean to the left. You say we're nuts if we don't see it, but you haven't shown it. This is your chance.



    scb.. Your going to have to sit down and actually watch the news on diffferent networks to see what Im talking about. For example. Watch special report on fox. Its not op ed like Beck,Hannity,or O'reilly and then watch one of the other networks.
    Did you not go to the newsbusters link ? Here's another link
    http://www.aim.org/

    Yes, I went to the link and I replied:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3144255

    Thanks for the other link; I'll have to check it out later.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but by your statement above it seems like you're saying anything left of the most conservative network is necessarily left/liberal. Is that right?

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