Amnesty without vote in Congress?
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Are we not a nation of laws anymore ? What about all the people that went through the immigration process to become American citizens ? This is a slap in the face to them. What about the strain illegal immagration has already placed on every state. California is a prime example. They cant even pay some of their GOV. employees. So I guess it's just going to all go away when we give amnesty to all these people?
If Obama and his ilk try to do this against what the American people want during a lame duck session or even if they don't loose one of the houses. It will be over for Obama :x :x
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24 ... -jenksWhat the
‘Amnesty Memo’ Means
July 30, 2010 5:52 PM
By Rosemary Jenks
Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi are facing a dilemma: Although they publicly bemoan the fact that Republicans won’t help them pass an unpopular amnesty . . . er, comprehensive immigration-reform bill, they don’t want to force vulnerable Democrats to vote on amnesty this close to the November elections — especially not with unemployment at 9.5 percent.
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) may have uncovered the answer to their dilemma yesterday: an internal U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services memo (reported here on NRO) that outlines steps the Obama administration can take “in the absence of Comprehensive Immigration Reform” — that is, lawfully enacted amnesty — to “reduce the threat of removal for certain individuals present in the United States without authorization.”
The four authors of the memo, titled “Administrative Alternatives to Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” are political appointees USCIS chief of policy and strategy Denise Vanison (a former immigration attorney and partner at Patton Boggs) and USCIS chief counsel Roxana Bacon (former general counsel for the American Immigration Lawyers Association), and two career employees of USCIS director Alejandro Mayorkas, another Obama appointee.
The U.S. Constitution gives Congress — and only Congress — the authority to decide federal immigration law, but the Obama administration has come up with an extensive list of ways to ensure that a majority of the illegal aliens in the United States are allowed to remain here.
Here are just three examples of the outrageous proposals in the memo:
● USCIS could grant “parole-in-place,” which comes with a work permit and the ability to obtain a green card, to certain classes of aliens who entered the country illegally. Such classes would include those who entered as minors and those who “have lived for many years in the U.S.” A nice reward for those who have successfully violated the law for the longest period of time.
● For those who overstay their visas, the memo recommends granting “deferred action,” which means that deportation is deferred indefinitely and the illegal alien can apply for a work permit. The memo suggests two particular categories of illegal aliens for deferred action: those who might benefit if Congress were to pass the DREAM Act amnesty (of which there are 2.1 million, according to the Migration Policy Institute) and those “who have resided in the U.S. since 1996 (or as of a different date designed to move forward the Registry provision now limited to entries before January 1, 1972).” The “Registry provision” referred to is an actual federal law, not that it matters to the memo’s authors.
● To make sure no illegal alien is left behind, the memo suggests that DHS could simply stop issuing “Notices to Appear” (the document that starts the removal process for illegal aliens) unless the alien has a “significant negative immigration or criminal history.” Apparently, violating immigration law once or twice is acceptable. These folks wouldn’t be able to apply for a work permit, but since the Obama administration isn’t conducting worksite enforcement against illegal aliens much anymore, that shouldn’t matter.
No wonder Reid, Pelosi, and Obama seem content to avoid a legislative battle over immigration; the Department of Homeland Security is hard at work on ways to implement its own amnesty.
If Obama and his ilk try to do this against what the American people want during a lame duck session or even if they don't loose one of the houses. It will be over for Obama :x :x
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/24 ... -jenksWhat the
‘Amnesty Memo’ Means
July 30, 2010 5:52 PM
By Rosemary Jenks
Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi are facing a dilemma: Although they publicly bemoan the fact that Republicans won’t help them pass an unpopular amnesty . . . er, comprehensive immigration-reform bill, they don’t want to force vulnerable Democrats to vote on amnesty this close to the November elections — especially not with unemployment at 9.5 percent.
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) may have uncovered the answer to their dilemma yesterday: an internal U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services memo (reported here on NRO) that outlines steps the Obama administration can take “in the absence of Comprehensive Immigration Reform” — that is, lawfully enacted amnesty — to “reduce the threat of removal for certain individuals present in the United States without authorization.”
The four authors of the memo, titled “Administrative Alternatives to Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” are political appointees USCIS chief of policy and strategy Denise Vanison (a former immigration attorney and partner at Patton Boggs) and USCIS chief counsel Roxana Bacon (former general counsel for the American Immigration Lawyers Association), and two career employees of USCIS director Alejandro Mayorkas, another Obama appointee.
The U.S. Constitution gives Congress — and only Congress — the authority to decide federal immigration law, but the Obama administration has come up with an extensive list of ways to ensure that a majority of the illegal aliens in the United States are allowed to remain here.
Here are just three examples of the outrageous proposals in the memo:
● USCIS could grant “parole-in-place,” which comes with a work permit and the ability to obtain a green card, to certain classes of aliens who entered the country illegally. Such classes would include those who entered as minors and those who “have lived for many years in the U.S.” A nice reward for those who have successfully violated the law for the longest period of time.
● For those who overstay their visas, the memo recommends granting “deferred action,” which means that deportation is deferred indefinitely and the illegal alien can apply for a work permit. The memo suggests two particular categories of illegal aliens for deferred action: those who might benefit if Congress were to pass the DREAM Act amnesty (of which there are 2.1 million, according to the Migration Policy Institute) and those “who have resided in the U.S. since 1996 (or as of a different date designed to move forward the Registry provision now limited to entries before January 1, 1972).” The “Registry provision” referred to is an actual federal law, not that it matters to the memo’s authors.
● To make sure no illegal alien is left behind, the memo suggests that DHS could simply stop issuing “Notices to Appear” (the document that starts the removal process for illegal aliens) unless the alien has a “significant negative immigration or criminal history.” Apparently, violating immigration law once or twice is acceptable. These folks wouldn’t be able to apply for a work permit, but since the Obama administration isn’t conducting worksite enforcement against illegal aliens much anymore, that shouldn’t matter.
No wonder Reid, Pelosi, and Obama seem content to avoid a legislative battle over immigration; the Department of Homeland Security is hard at work on ways to implement its own amnesty.
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There are women that are known for nothing but "leaking" a sex tape. Kim Kardashian (sp) Paris Hilton Pam Anderson
They idolize idiots like those on the Jersey Shore and Lindsay Lohan and Michael Jackson.
People reward those that are here illegally, and want to throw money at them, yet charge out the butt for tuition for citizens.
But if you want to go to church, feel that your money that you work hard for is yours, and you want to own a gun then you are the fool.
It sickens me what my tax dollar goes to.
i mean shit, the US has the largest military budget in the world, more than the rest of the world combined. almost all of our "foreign aid" goes toward weapons. we are the largest weapons dealer on the planet. good old uncle sam is a weapons dealer.
but damn those illegals sending the country broke :roll:
$4 Billion to israel for defense systems in 2010
$30-50 billion every few months to pay for war in afghanistan and occupation in iraq
$100 Billion to bail out wall street, while guaranteeing the same bonuses for those that almost crashed the market
and you want to tell us that illegals are the main problem?
come on...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Regardless you still DO NOT reward law breakers. Amnesty is a reward.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Stop whining about the symptom and let's start working on curing the disease. Mexicans aren't taking your way of life from you, corporate greed and power is. If we can curb overwhelming corporate power, we can change anything you want. Illegal Mexicans are here to work for less than legal wages. Companies make more profit by paying less in labor. Government doesn't enforce these laws because these corporations and organizations fund campaigns. It also speaks to a bigger issue as the U.S.A. needs to keep these types of things going to sustain a first world economy and way of life. It appears to be a hole that is getting increasingly impossible to get out of without hitting the reset button of wars or revolutions.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
I completely agree with you, but a scape goat is always useful...
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I thought I've told you, I voted for Gore and Kerry. So yes it was an issue to me, even when Bush was President. I'm not one of those guys that started complaining when Obama was elected, I've been bitching about government waste for quite some time. One of the reasons I woke up was illegal immigration.
If amnesty does go through and this country does not enforce the border there will just be another amnesty 20 years from now. Amnesty has happened in the past and it does not work.
I would actually be open to a one time amnesty for ALL illegal aliens if other things took place and were forever enforced.
took you long enough. :P
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any death where someone dies due to DUI is one death too many. in 2008, nearly 14,000 people were killed in the US due to alcohol related motor vehicle accidents. 37% of the total deaths actually. every 11 minutes someone dies. that's not a statistic to be proud of is it. the idiots in the US who drink and drive and kill innocent people, plus themsleves, don't need a few illegal immigrants to kill them or anyone else, they do a good enough job on their own.
your concerns about war and amnesty are completely different and in many cases opposite ends of what you should be caring about if you are worried about taxes and financing things...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you were not posting when bush was talking amnesty so it is easy for you to say it yet hard for me to believe it. you have never ever mentioned that before, yet you blame obama as if it was the first time anyone has ever mentioned it....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Just so you know defesne spending is down.
Defense spending averaged 3.8% of GDP from 2002 to 2007, which is below the averages of the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's.
http://www.realitycheck-us.com/2008/07/ ... -as-a.html
and if you think we spend to much than what should we spend ? Do you think our men and women shouldn't get a pay check? I mean It's pretty obvious that you and some others on here hate our military. I mean there are countries that would love to invade us if they knew they could. With alll due respect I think you and others on the left are living in some fantasy world where you think that there aren't other countries in the world that would love to bomb the shit out of us if they could. So in other words I dont give a shit what it cost to keep our asses safe.
So just because I wasn't posting when bush was talking about comprehension immigration reform (amnesty) your saying I must have supported it because Bush was president ?? :eh: :eh: :lolno:
I don't think so ...
I didn't support then and I dont support it now. Nor will I ever..
The point of this thread was that there is a plan to do this without going through congress. That's wrong..
They are suppose to vote on things like this not just pass laws bcos they think they know what's best for the country. We do have a constitution you know ?
to you, anyone that criticises the Israeli government hates Jews and is anti-semitic. there is no hate against Jews. you see anger, revulsion, etc. against the zionist Israeli government, with all its implications, but you need to understand that defending Palestinian basic human rights and being critical of the Israeli government, does not make someone anti-semetic.
to you, anyone that criticises the US stance on foreign policy and the trillions being spent waging wars while this country has 700,000 people who go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, hates the military. being critical of the Governments spending in that area doesn't = hating the military. far from it. i want them out, and to come home safely to their families.
something for you to think about. if i used your logic prfctlefts, i'd be saying that due to your constant and unrelenting daily criticism of the Obama Administration, that you must surely be anti-American and you hate America and Americans. which i'm pretty sure you're not.
hopefully you will finally get it.
dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
-Howard Zinn
But watch out, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" -some american president
So be careful treading around patriotism...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
haha.
duly noted.
no i never said that the men and women in uniform should not get paid. where you got that assumption i will never know. i do not hate our military. i hate the money pit it has become. i hate how they prey on those young kidswith no future and recruit them into service, quickly train them, and ship them off to die in the hellholes of iraq and afghanistan. i am guessing you support this, yet you never served. interesting...B.Y.O.B...
i do not deny that there are countries that would "bomb the shit out of us". but if you fail to recognize that those sentiments are DUE TO OUR FOREIGN AND MILITARY POLICY THAN IT IS YOU LIVING IN THE FANTASY WORLD....
you "don't give a shit how much it will cost to keep our asses safe"...well if that is the case then i do not ever want to hear you complain about deficits ever again. the easiest way to save money is to cut defense spending, yet you are against that. see what happens when we have had hawkish foreign policy the last 9 years? it makes people believe that that military spending is really necessary and we would be fucked if we did not spend it.
yes i know we have a constitution, it is funny to me how you choose to apply it only when it fits your point. where was the constitutionally mandated declaration of war against iraq and afghanistan again???oh yeah...never happened...i rest my case...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
My point waas initially this, Amnesty is wrong. Regan made a mistake when he did it. If Obama or any other politician wants comprehension reform they damn better come up with a damn biil and have a vote on it..Not some backdoor B.S.
Actually I'm not sure, but it did happen recently. I feel that we have more pressing issues at home. I believe going in initially was just, however the original target is probably in Pakistan, and Pakistan plays both sides. I'm for the continued pursuit of bin Laden and his cronies, so that would mean a drawdown of most troops. Reinstate the special ops that were hunting him and other al-qaeda leaders and leave it at that. I'd be open to support troops for those groups, and I am for continued Predator missions in Pakistan if they won't do anything about al-qaeda.
I also wonder some people always deflect to other topics rather than staying with the one the OP has started. There are plenty of other threads about war, etc. Go post there.