Whale Wars= total incompetance

Tenzing N.

I know its been discussed before but after watching several episodes tonight I am further reminded of the total failure that is the Sea Shepherd. They obviously lack a safety management system, they have a very, very poor communication system in place and are clearly ill prepared to be doing what they are doing.

I give them credit for operating in the environment they're in and obviously my view may be highly tainted due to the filming and editing of the film crew but even considering this I feel the evidence is there.

If I were any of the benifactors or major donors I would seriously question the entire operation.

What type of training do the volunteers recieve?
Is there a thourough safety management system in place?
Is there a culture of risk management and loss prevention?

Sorry whales- your protectors are in need of protection from themselves.

markin ball

Hippies are terrible at running shit! Ever go to a store ran by hippies, like a used book store or something like that? Half the time the store is closed during business hours because somebody just didn't show up that day. Ever take a yoga class? Same thing. They get cancelled all the time without notification. You show up but the instructor doesn't and then the next week he says he wanted to call but..."you know"? It's anarchy.

"Never follow a hippie to a second location."

SolarWorld

Your first problem is you are watching a reality tv show thinking it is "reality".

Tenzing N.

Yes- I know it's "reality" TV but this stuff is happening down there and even with the most outrageous editing or set ups it's pretty clear that those people are wasting a lot of money.

whygohome

markin ball wrote:

Hippies are terrible at running shit! Ever go to a store ran by hippies, like a used book store or something like that? Half the time the store is closed during business hours because somebody just didn't show up that day. Ever take a yoga class? Same thing. They get cancelled all the time without notification. You show up but the instructor doesn't and then the next week he says he wanted to call but..."you know"? It's anarchy.

"Never follow a hippie to a second location."

I'm a hippie and I'm entering my second year of a PhD program. How dare you sir!!!!

markin ball

whygohome wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Hippies are terrible at running shit! Ever go to a store ran by hippies, like a used book store or something like that? Half the time the store is closed during business hours because somebody just didn't show up that day. Ever take a yoga class? Same thing. They get cancelled all the time without notification. You show up but the instructor doesn't and then the next week he says he wanted to call but..."you know"? It's anarchy.

"Never follow a hippie to a second location."

I'm a hippie and I'm entering my second year of a PhD program. How dare you sir!!!!

First of all I call bullshit. No hippie every called anyone "sir". Secondly, I didn't know you could get a PhD in hackysack. JK. I kid because I love.

unsung

Didn't hippies evolve after Jerry Garcia died?

whygohome

markin ball wrote:

whygohome wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Hippies are terrible at running shit! Ever go to a store ran by hippies, like a used book store or something like that? Half the time the store is closed during business hours because somebody just didn't show up that day. Ever take a yoga class? Same thing. They get cancelled all the time without notification. You show up but the instructor doesn't and then the next week he says he wanted to call but..."you know"? It's anarchy.

"Never follow a hippie to a second location."

I'm a hippie and I'm entering my second year of a PhD program. How dare you sir!!!!

First of all I call bullshit. No hippie every called anyone "sir". Secondly, I didn't know you could get a PhD in hackysack. JK. I kid because I love.

MA in hacky sack.

Cliffy6745

It is unreal how awful these people are at this. I have watched the show quite a bit and I don't think I have ever seen them implement any of their plans or ideas successfully. For some reason I enjoy watching it but it is pitiful how unsuccessful they are.

catefrances

if the appropriate governments enforced the law thered be no need for the sea shepherd.

Cliffy6745

catefrances wrote:

if the appropriate governments enforced the law thered be no need for the sea shepherd.

Any idea what government is responsible for enforcing these these laws?

catefrances

Cliffy6745 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

if the appropriate governments enforced the law thered be no need for the sea shepherd.

Any idea what government is responsible for enforcing these these laws?

yes. in the southern ocean it is at least the responsibility of the australian govt. but a blind eye is turned cause the japanese are a big trade partner of ours.

but considering its international law its the repsonsibility of ALL nations to enforce the law.

Cliffy6745

catefrances wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

if the appropriate governments enforced the law thered be no need for the sea shepherd.

Any idea what government is responsible for enforcing these these laws?

yes. in the southern ocean it is at least the responsibility of the australian govt. but a blind eye is turned cause the japanese are a big trade partner of ours.

but considering its international law its the repsonsibility of ALL nations to enforce the law.

Interesting, as always, its all about the money. It's a shame the sea shepard can't do a better job but the Japanese seem to be very well prepared for them.

catefrances

Cliffy6745 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Any idea what government is responsible for enforcing these these laws?

yes. in the southern ocean it is at least the responsibility of the australian govt. but a blind eye is turned cause the japanese are a big trade partner of ours.

but considering its international law its the repsonsibility of ALL nations to enforce the law.

Interesting, as always, its all about the money. It's a shame the sea shepard can't do a better job but the Japanese seem to be very well prepared for them.

well of course they are. these damn hippies are interfering in their economic livelihood.


i have to say im not against hunting whales in sustainable quantities. but what shits me is how they pretend its for scientific purposes and we pretend to believe them.

Tenzing N.

So you've got one country who would like to harvest a number of whales, several countries (mostly Australia?) knows this isn't research but is willing to let it slide and a group of highly persistant people who are down there trying to stop them.

Solution: Bring all three groups together and agree on a number that the Japanese CAN take- unhindered. The number will be less than the Japanese want and more than the rest of the world wants. Then asign and share the costs of maintaining a group to monitor the actions of the Whalers. The Sea Shepherd, the Japanese, and the rest of the world gives and takes. Everyone concedes something, everyone gets something and no one dies.

Jason P

At least they were competent enough to get a few weeks out of their $3M super boat, the Ady Gil, before sinking it. I'm actually surprised they were able to just get it from L.A. to the whaling waters without scuttling it.

Amazingly enough, there appears to be enough wealthy donors out there to support the construction of the Ady Gil 2 whose cost is estimated between $3M - $5M.

Shawshank

There's no doubt that there is incompetence running wild on those boats. My daughter and I watch this show, and my blood boils every time. There's a part of me that wants to see them just ram the shit out of the Japanese whalers, or drop butyric acid from the helicopter onto the deck of the processing ship. You know, just go nuts. I realize that this would probably end up with them dead or in jail, therefore not helping the whales at all, but damn it! I believe the show is edited in a way to make them look as good as they possibly can, so you know the situation is probably much worse than what is being presented.

blackredyellow

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

aerial

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

I was wondering the same thing about the financial backing for this project...I watched the show twice and came to the conclusion they are wasting money ...wish they would send someone to college, feed the hungry or something that would help a human.

Jason P

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

Although I don't agree with where he sending his money, the first person to badmouth Bob Barker gets their thumbs broke.

the wolf

aerial wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

I was wondering the same thing about the financial backing for this project...I watched the show twice and came to the conclusion they are wasting money ...wish they would send someone to college, feed the hungry or something that would help a human.

You do understand that saving the animals of the oceans and such IS helping humans, yeah?

catefrances

the wolf wrote:

aerial wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

I was wondering the same thing about the financial backing for this project...I watched the show twice and came to the conclusion they are wasting money ...wish they would send someone to college, feed the hungry or something that would help a human.

You do understand that saving the animals of the oceans and such IS helping humans, yeah?

its a delicate balance isnt it?? but i refuse to feel more emotional about cetaceans than other marine lifeforms.

i have this argument with my father every time he advocates the killing of great whites. hes a smart man but it horrifies me he doesnt seem to get it. mind you he lives on an island not that far from a known great white shark environment.

OutOfBreath

Tenzing N. wrote:

So you've got one country who would like to harvest a number of whales, several countries (mostly Australia?) knows this isn't research but is willing to let it slide and a group of highly persistant people who are down there trying to stop them.

Solution: Bring all three groups together and agree on a number that the Japanese CAN take- unhindered. The number will be less than the Japanese want and more than the rest of the world wants. Then asign and share the costs of maintaining a group to monitor the actions of the Whalers. The Sea Shepherd, the Japanese, and the rest of the world gives and takes. Everyone concedes something, everyone gets something and no one dies.

That's sensible, but also how it IS done. The international whaling comittee (dont remember it's exact name) sets quotas for what's allowable to fish for "scientific purposes". And although they are quite high and maybe more than science strictly would need, the general ban is in place. Basically only Norway and Japan have much interest in whaling and are keen to allow more. The rest of this comittee are comprised of countries who doesn't really have much of an interest anymore, at least not enough to withstand the bad public PR that can be rallied behind cute mammals in the sea.

So today's practice is the dirty compromise that leaves all parties a little unhappy. The whale populations have recovered a deal from their crash, although I do not know the latest numbers.

Peace
Dan

whygohome

the wolf wrote:

aerial wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't know a lot about the show, and have only watched it a few times... but who is financially backing these people? I admire their passion and what they are trying to do, but man... it just seems like a waste of money to give it to these people.

I was wondering the same thing about the financial backing for this project...I watched the show twice and came to the conclusion they are wasting money ...wish they would send someone to college, feed the hungry or something that would help a human.

You do understand that saving the animals of the oceans and such IS helping humans, yeah?

Not many people see the connection between humans and the natural world anymore. The more we destroy the environment, the more we destroy ourselves. Unfortunately, biological necessity has given way to economic/material necessity. We are cyborgs.

MotoDC

Jason P wrote:

At least they were competent enough to get a few weeks out of their $3M super boat, the Ady Gil, before sinking it. I'm actually surprised they were able to just get it from L.A. to the whaling waters without scuttling it.

Amazingly enough, there appears to be enough wealthy donors out there to support the construction of the Ady Gil 2 whose cost is estimated between $3M - $5M.

The wrecking of the Ady Gil was, I think, the one scene I've actually watched of that show. Is it just me or did it seem like they went out of their way to get rammed, like they shut their motor off and just sat there? Like it was a caculated cost, worth it to make a point about how aggressive the Japanese are about killing their whales. The fact that they arlready have another backer, willing to throw another $3-5M at Ady Gil II, lends credence to that view.

OffHeGoes29

Some is going to get killed on that show due to stupidity.

Jason P

The Bob Barker gets sandwiched ....

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/51124/dramatic+collision+in+southern+ocean+leaves+anti-whaling+boat+damaged/

Time to pass the collection hat out again ...

:corn:

brianlux

Just reading through this thread for the first time reminds me of the summer of 1970 when I worked for UAL cleaning airplanes between semesters. My hair was half way down my back, not that that means anything but... one night one of the mechanics saw me and belted out, "Hey guys, looks like we have a HIPPIE on the cleaning crew. HAHAHA!" One of the other mechanics I had recently met snapped back at the guy, "He's working, isn't he? There are no hippies here!" That was cool!

As for the video posted above, good enough reason for me to send a donation to the Sea Shephard Conservation Society. No hippies there. Those people are working!

brianlux

Chili's, yeah!

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-med ... tival-1480

STAYSEA

The activists are volunteers, and I just think it's pointless to squirt water at another ship as an act of protest.

The best moment of that show is when the Japanese ship completely smashed the brand new vessel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycyCfK14axw

animal planet is really running out of ideas.. I love South Park

I agree at least they are working. But It makes my mind numb

STAYSEA

brianlux wrote:

Chili's, yeah!

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-med ... tival-1480

Awe the Peppers.... Dang it!