Kalamazoo River Oil Spill

hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
edited September 2010 in A Moving Train
So where are all the Democrats and environmentalists on this one?

you can barely find anything about this and if cleanup is not successful it will flow all the way into lake Michigan.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    So where are all the Democrats and environmentalists on this one?

    you can barely find anything about this and if cleanup is not successful it will flow all the way into lake Michigan.
    i haven't heard anything about it. did a quick search of a few news sites and didn't even find a big article about it...if you could post a link it would be helpful, especially if you are expecting us to reply with a serious discussion.

    let me guess, this is obama's fault and he is abusing his power on this one too?? why are you calling out only democrats and environmentalists? as if they are the only ones that are supposed to care, right?

    you could wait for the federal giv't to intervene, or you can do what those on the gulf coast have done and try your best to clean it up and prevent it from getting into the lake...

    no wait, it is not a federal issue until it affects you , right?
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  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    let me guess, this is obama's fault and he is abusing his power on this one too?? why are you calling out only democrats and environmentalists? as if they are the only ones that are supposed to care, right?

    no not at all the republican s just don;t care at all, my point is other than some standard we'll do all within our power quotes why are the earth loving Democrats not jumping all over this one?

    here is a general rundown from a more local source:
    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?s ... 46&catid=2

    my point is why are we not hearing a shit load more about his disaster? I mention Democrats because they trumpet themselves as the enviro. party (ask Al Gore)

    I don't even see a link for it on CNN
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i would say the environmentalists are the only ones who care ...

    i knew about the oil spill as well as many other ecological disasters ... not posting doesn't mean not caring ...
  • kalzoo is my home town.Iam tryin to get in touch with some old school friends to get more info on what is going on at a local level.Will post more soon. :twisted :evil:
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    It looks horrific and hopefully it can be sorted out quickly. 840000 gallons in a river is shit load of oil. :(

    Change the title to "BP Kalamazoo River Oil Spill" and people will be jumping over each other to take part in this thread and everyone will know about it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    thanks for posting the link. it sounds like it may be contained, but with the river levels being so high it makes it more difficult....

    i am so sick of these oil companies and their recklessness... any other industry would be shut down with all of these disasters, but since we need oil i guess it is just an occupational hazard... :twisted:
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  • supersonicyearssupersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    How can this be in such a short time frame that we have two in the Gulf, another in China and now another in Michigan?
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Beach wrote:
    How can this be in such a short time frame that we have two in the Gulf, another in China and now another in Michigan?

    there are others elsewhere too ... we can only hope that people come to the realization of what oil companies really are ... :(
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    So where are all the Democrats and environmentalists on this one?

    you can barely find anything about this and if cleanup is not successful it will flow all the way into lake Michigan.


    Try stepping out of your little bubble and realize that these aren’t democrat or republican problems --they are our problems, America’s problems. This stupid ‘my team’ mentality is what allows these companies to get away with shit like this. It is same stupid mentality that allows us to be manipulated into participating in unproductive bickering that is slowly dragging this country down.

    Since you posted the article, you had to have seen the other articles that related to the response to the oil spill, along with the oil company’s response. Instead you posted to inflame, leaving out the fact the State, local and federal officials have been on this situation. That the President and the Democrat Senator from Michigan were working with the Governor. That clean up was underway.

    --Leaving out the fact that this oil company, like BP, tried to hide the fact that there was problem and that oil was leaking.

    --Leaving out the fact that this oil company, like BP, lied and tried to hide the amount of oil that had leak into the river.

    --Leaving out the fact that this oil company, like BP, didn’t do anything before consulting their offices in Houston, TX.


    Here are a couple of links to the story.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20100727/N ... -oil-spill [President Obama]

    http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news- ... aster-area [Oil company lying, then trying to take limited responsibility]
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  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    it isn't about inflaming anything, or teams, simply stated why are we not hearing more about this from our elected officials, and from the president who is from the region.

    Repub/Democrat they are all corrupt puppets as far as I am concerned.

    Why is this not a bigger story is my point! Did take jabs yeah, but they are in charge! I do not blame BO or any politician for the spill, but am stating why are they so damn quiet about it!
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    go capitalism. we are ruining the environment all around us, but whatever makes a buck yeah?

    fuck it, let our kids clean it up.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Beach wrote:
    How can this be in such a short time frame that we have two in the Gulf, another in China and now another in Michigan?
    The sad truth is probably that this has always happened to some degree, it's just the coverage that varies. Right now, with the gulf situation, awareness is at a top, so now all such stories make the press. So it just makes the international press now, but happens regularly every year.

    Secondly, as the major known reliable oil fields are drying up, oil companies increasingly must tap a lot more sources that are smaller and use methods that are more risky. More fields, and more risky methods both increases the probability of leaks and envirnomental damage.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    EPA: 1M gallons of oil may be in Mich. river

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100729/ap_ ... _oil_spill

    BATTLE CREEK, Mich. – Federal officials now estimate that more than 1 million gallons of oil may have spilled into a major river in southern Michigan, and the governor is sharply criticizing clean-up efforts as "wholly inadequate."

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency released the update Wednesday night, shortly after Gov. Jennifer Granholm lambasted attempts to contain the oil flowing down the Kalamazoo River. She warned of a "tragedy of historic proportions" if the oil reaches Lake Michigan, which is still at least 80 miles downstream from where oil has been seen.

    Granholm called on the federal government for more help, saying resources being marshaled by the EPA and Enbridge Inc., which owns the pipeline that leaked the oil, were "wholly inadequate."

    Calgary, Alberta-based Enbridge said earlier Wednesday that it had redoubled its efforts to clean up the mess. Chief executive Patrick D. Daniel said the company had made "significant progress," though he had no update on a possible cause, cost or timeframe for the cleanup.

    On Thursday, the company said it was bringing in additional resources as quickly as possible.

    The company didn't return messages for comment after Granholm's statements.

    The overall work force on the spill Wednesday was likely more than 400 people.

    EPA officials said they're ramping up efforts with air and water testing. Local officials said they weren't concerned about municipal water supplies.

    Tom Sands, deputy state director for emergency management and homeland security, said during a conference call with Granholm that he had seen oil past a dam at Morrow Lake. The lake is a key point in the river near a Superfund site upstream of Kalamazoo, the largest city in the region.

    But his report could not be immediately confirmed. The company's latest update statement Wednesday said oil was about seven miles short of the opening to Morrow Lake. A press conference scheduled for late Wednesday, which was to include company and EPA officials, was canceled for what a company spokesman called scheduling conflicts.

    State and company officials previously said they didn't believe the oil would spread past that dam.

    "It's going to hit a Superfund site unless somebody like the EPA and the company get very serious about providing significant additional resources," Granholm said.

    The spill has killed fish and coated wildlife as it made its way westward about 35 miles downstream past Battle Creek, a city of 52,000 residents about 110 miles west of Detroit.

    Both company and EPA officials have said oil is no longer leaking.

    Enbridge has been working to clean up the spill since the leak was reported early Monday.

    Before the EPA announced its new estimate, Enbridge reiterated its belief that about 819,000 gallons of oil spilled into Talmadge Creek, which flows into the Kalamazoo River. State officials said they were told during a company briefing Tuesday that about 877,000 gallons spilled, but company officials disputed the number.

    An 800,000 gallon spill would be enough to fill 1-gallon jugs lined side by side for nearly 70 miles. It also could fill a walled-in football field, including the end zones, with just under 2 feet of oil.

    Granholm has declared a state of disaster for some areas along the river, and President Barack Obama called Granholm to offer federal support.

    An oily reflective sheen could be seen in patches along the Kalamazoo, and the affected area still had a strong odor, although not as strong as on Tuesday.

    Anil Kulkarni, a mechanical engineering professor at Penn State University, said a quick response was vital to the river's ecology. Snails, frogs, muskrats and even birds eat, live and nest on or near the riverbank.

    "The river banks are nearby. It has more potential to inflict damage because of the proximity to land. Anything that comes in contact with oil is going to be affected badly. It prevents the natural life of species, whether it's collecting food or anything else."

    Enbridge affiliates have previously been cited for skirting environmental regulations in the Great Lakes region.

    Houston-based Enbridge Energy Co. spilled almost 19,000 gallons of crude oil onto Wisconsin's Nemadji River in 2003. Another 189,000 gallons of oil spilled at the company's terminal two miles from Lake Superior, though most was contained.

    In 2007, two spills released about 200,000 gallons of crude in northern Wisconsin as Enbridge was expanding a 320-mile pipeline. The company also was accused of violating Wisconsin permits designed to protect water quality during work in and around wetlands, rivers and streams, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources said. The violations came during construction of a 321-mile, $2 billion oil pipeline across that state. Enbridge agreed to pay $1.1 million in 2009.

    The Michigan leak came from a 30-inch pipeline, which was built in 1969 and carries about 8 million gallons of oil daily from Griffith, Ind., to Sarnia, Ontario.

    The river already faced major pollution issues. An 80-mile segment of the river that begins at Morrow Lake and five miles of a tributary, Portage Creek, have unsafe levels of PCBs and were placed on the federal Superfund list of high-priority hazardous waste sites in 1990. The Kalamazoo site also includes four landfills and several defunct paper mills.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    it isn't about inflaming anything, or teams, simply stated why are we not hearing more about this from our elected officials, and from the president who is from the region.

    Repub/Democrat they are all corrupt puppets as far as I am concerned.

    Why is this not a bigger story is my point! Did take jabs yeah, but they are in charge! I do not blame BO or any politician for the spill, but am stating why are they so damn quiet about it!
    ...
    Nice (but failed) attempt at backpeddling.
    But, no... you are trying to inflame political partisanship by specifically asking why only Democrats aren't speaking up. This points to the only assessment we can make about you... you are a partisan Republican.
    Just because Democrats are in charge... doesn't mean Republicans cannot speak up.
    ...
    Thank you for playing... please, try again, later.
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    ADD: I just typed in 'Kalamazoo River' from the Yahoo search engine and looked in the 'In The News' section and got this:
    http://news.search.yahoo.com/search?&p= ... fr2=rs-top
    There are literally hundreds of news items available. Maybe you need to look outside the apparently narrowed scope of news sources you prescribe to.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    hrd2imgn wrote:
    let me guess, this is obama's fault and he is abusing his power on this one too?? why are you calling out only democrats and environmentalists? as if they are the only ones that are supposed to care, right?

    no not at all the republican s just don;t care at all, my point is other than some standard we'll do all within our power quotes why are the earth loving Democrats not jumping all over this one?

    here is a general rundown from a more local source:
    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?s ... 46&catid=2

    my point is why are we not hearing a shit load more about his disaster? I mention Democrats because they trumpet themselves as the enviro. party (ask Al Gore)

    I don't even see a link for it on CNN
    I really am starting to laugh at americans and their "if youre democrat it means your _____" "if youre _______ it means ______ "
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    Mayor Daley in Chicago is demanding a criminal investigation.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/2 ... 10.article
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  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    that bumper sticker is awesome!

    yeah our two political parties are a joke, all they do is point fingers with one hand and stab the American people in the back with the other. They have so much clout and power there is no chance of a 3rd party arising with any chance of success as they smear them and paint them as loonies (some have been though).

    I love this country, but we have some serious issues right now.
  • This is really late and I'm usually in the M&G forum but I'm from and live IN Kalamazoo. My girlfriend tried to help with the clean up efforts but everything is outsourced. Pretty interesting how she got an email saying the the wildlife that is being reported and being cleaned is actually being shipped to a warehouse and killed as to eliminate recording of damages.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    This is really late and I'm usually in the M&G forum but I'm from and live IN Kalamazoo. My girlfriend tried to help with the clean up efforts but everything is outsourced. Pretty interesting how she got an email saying the the wildlife that is being reported and being cleaned is actually being shipped to a warehouse and killed as to eliminate recording of damages.

    not to mention enbridge's attempts to force people to sign shady agreements ...
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