That's right Obama blame the republicans

WaveCameCrashin

So Obama continues to blame the R. For not wanting to extend unemployment benefits and he continues to create class warfare by saying the upperclass are the only ones that got tax cuts under bush which is a lie.
The R just want Obama to get the money from somewhere else like maybe what's left of the stimulus money instead of adding to the deficit. Or here's an idea why doesn't he actually create some jobs instead of destroying them? I'm not here to stick up for the R's but I'm sick of all the lies and deciet that comes from Obama and how he's trying to pit people against one another. Geee I wonder where he got that from? Alinsky or Marx maybe?

cincybearcat

It makes sense to block it until it's paid for. Unfortunately, I don't believe that is the true motives of the repubs. Otherwise they wouldn't have spent and spent and spent when they had the power. So, if it is truly a change to require $ spent to actually come from somewhere...good. But if it's just to oppose Obama....bad.


I also was pretty pissed at the words Obama used...you are right in that he is openly trying to create class warefare. It should work for him too...because there are more votes to get from people that want something FROM others than there are votes to get from people that you are taking away from. Pretty shitty and classless on Obama's part.

DriftingByTheStorm

cincybearcat wrote:

It makes sense to block it until it's paid for.

No it doesn't.
It makes ZERO sense.

This is the most asinine thing i have heard out of politicians in a good while.

Here, straight from wikipedia:

"The deficit is forecast [to be] $1.17 trillion in 2010 "

And ...
"The 2010 Budget proposed by President Barack Obama projects significant debt increases. The debt is projected to nearly double to $20 trillion by 2015"

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget#Deficit

So, the proposed budget "features" a whopping (and admittedly, predicted) near $1,700,000,000,000 in UNFUNDED, UN-"PAID FOR" ITEMS, and yet, there is proposal to BLOCK unemployment benefits unless we can come up with the ... what was the figure I heard? ... $36,000,000 (36 Million) ???

$36,000,000
\
$1,700,000,000,000
=
A PERCENTAGE SO SMALL MY "CALCULATOR" CAN ONLY DISPLAY IT AS A EXPONENTIAL FIGURE "2.117 E-5" and don't forget to move the decimal two places to the LEFT!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You guys SERIOUSLY buy this shit?
I almost did a fucking spit take when i heard that junk!

WE ARE SWIMMING ... FUCKING DROWNING ... IN DEBT AND DEFICIT ... AND THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR IS THAT THIS PALTRY SUM IS GOING TO SINK US !?!

cincybearcat

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

No it doesn't.
It makes ZERO sense.

How does it not make sense? They should do this with EVERYTHING.

gimmesometruth27

well who is blocking it and for what reasons? i blame them too. bastards...

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

well who is blocking it and for what reasons? i blame them too. bastards...

The "what reasons"...as I already said...is a good question. But in reality, wouldn't it be a good thing if the gov't didn't spend any $ without saying where it was coming from first?

FiveB247x

"Class warfare" - that's some funny shit.

When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. - Archbishop Helder Camara

haffajappa

I only find the title of the thread funny because the OP is asking why Obama points the blame on others...
...when he blames Obama for EVERYYYYTHINGGGG... I feel if the moon were to lose orbit and crash into the Earth tomorrow there would suddenly be a thread on here about how it was Obama and the "lefties" fault...

No offense... but its exhausting.

WaveCameCrashin

That's b.s. I can back everything I have ever accused him of.

haffajappa wrote:

I only find the title of the thread funny because the OP is asking why Obama points the blame on others...
...when he blames Obama for EVERYYYYTHINGGGG... I feel if the moon were to lose orbit and crash into the Earth tomorrow there would suddenly be a thread on here about how it was Obama and the "lefties" fault...

No offense... but its exhausting.

WaveCameCrashin

There's a difference between throwing someone a crumb and throwing them a loaf of bread and Obama is throwing crumbs. Ie no jobs
Why don't you read S Alinsky's rules for radicals and just maybe you might start to understand how Obama thinks.

FiveB247x wrote:

"Class warfare" - that's some funny shit.

When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. - Archbishop Helder Camara

know1

How long do we keep giving unemployment benefits, though?

Can anyone come up with a good cutoff date? Aren't some people at or over 2 years now? That's too long, IMO.

blackredyellow

know1 wrote:

How long do we keep giving unemployment benefits, though?

Can anyone come up with a good cutoff date? Aren't some people at or over 2 years now? That's too long, IMO.

I agree with that... But I'm not unemployed, so it's easy for me to say.

How much typically are unemployment benefits? I guess that would change my opinion a bit too... If they are a high percentage, then your unemployment check might be more than other jobs that you could get in the mean-time... that might be a deterrent to rushing to get back to work. But if it's a low percentage, then maybe people really just can't find any jobs.

Jason P

know1 wrote:

How long do we keep giving unemployment benefits, though?

Can anyone come up with a good cutoff date? Aren't some people at or over 2 years now? That's too long, IMO.

It is frustrating when people abuse the system. I saw on old friend from high school a few months ago. I asked him how things were going and he noted he had been laid-off and was on unemployment. The good news is that he was offered a well paying a job doing demolition. I asked him if he was going to start soon but he replied he was going to wait five months until his unemployment ran out.

I stared at him in disbelief for a few seconds, then told him he should start as soon as possible. I tried to touch on subjects like self respect, getting aid to families that really need it, the tax payer's burden, shame, pride, etc. But he really felt like everyone else was taking advantage of the system so why shouldn't he. The job offer would still be there is five months so why not take a paid vacation.

All I could do is shake my head in frustration, give him a solemn stink-eye, and ride off into the sunset on my bicycle.

FiveB247x

The simple fact that many in our nation believe he or others are engaged or turning our nation into some type of "socialist" or "communist" state is not only insane, but simply states the ignorance in by our population. Completely uneducated and ill-informed. And just to be clear, I am not defending Obama or anything of the sort, but clarifying the details of what socialism, communism and things like class welfare really are - because if anyone knew, they wouldn't make such a ridiculous claim. Everyone in our nation stands so strongly and proudly for their beliefs, yet half the time they don't truly know what they're actually are in practice nor mean by definition. So excuse me if I don't ignore your comments about "how to understand what obama reallly thinks". It's pretty silly to go around calling people terms when you/others don't understand the term you're throwing around, cause if you did, you'd know it doesn't apply.

prfctlefts wrote:

There's a difference between throwing someone a crumb and throwing them a loaf of bread and Obama is throwing crumbs. Ie no jobs
Why don't you read S Alinsky's rules for radicals and just maybe you might start to understand how Obama thinks.

FiveB247x wrote:

"Class warfare" - that's some funny shit.

When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. - Archbishop Helder Camara

gimmesometruth27

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

It is frustrating when people abuse the system. I saw on old friend from high school a few months ago. I asked him how things were going and he noted he had been laid-off and was on unemployment. The good news is that he was offered a well paying a job doing demolition. I asked him if he was going to start soon but he replied he was going to wait five months until his unemployment ran out.

I stared at him in disbelief for a few seconds, then told him he should start as soon as possible. I tried to touch on subjects like self respect, getting aid to families that really need it, the tax payer's burden, shame, pride, etc. But he really felt like everyone else was taking advantage of the system so why shouldn't he. The job offer would still be there is five months so why not take a paid vacation.

All I could do is shake my head in frustration, give him a solemn stink-eye, and ride off into the sunset on my bicycle.

this really hits the nail on the head ... beyond the silly notion that this is some kind of democrat/republican or right/left thing, it really is about the system in general and the people that operate within it ...

FiveB247x

I agree with both of your comments but isn't part of the problem the resentment that builds over the overstated and many times, out of touch opinions which are formed from these types of situations? I mean how many people are actually bucking the system compared to those in need for a variety of reasons? We'll always have both groups no matter how much we tweak it, but I think the worst part of any of it is the generalizations that the problems are a detriment to society because everyone or some particular group of people are sitting on their asses having the rest of us pay for them. It really is such a dismissive and simplistic cut and dry way to view the realities of our society.

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It is frustrating when people abuse the system. I saw on old friend from high school a few months ago. I asked him how things were going and he noted he had been laid-off and was on unemployment. The good news is that he was offered a well paying a job doing demolition. I asked him if he was going to start soon but he replied he was going to wait five months until his unemployment ran out.

I stared at him in disbelief for a few seconds, then told him he should start as soon as possible. I tried to touch on subjects like self respect, getting aid to families that really need it, the tax payer's burden, shame, pride, etc. But he really felt like everyone else was taking advantage of the system so why shouldn't he. The job offer would still be there is five months so why not take a paid vacation.

All I could do is shake my head in frustration, give him a solemn stink-eye, and ride off into the sunset on my bicycle.

this really hits the nail on the head ... beyond the silly notion that this is some kind of democrat/republican or right/left thing, it really is about the system in general and the people that operate within it ...

WaveCameCrashin

FiveB247x wrote:

The simple fact that many in our nation believe he or others are engaged or turning our nation into some type of "socialist" or "communist" state is not only insane, but simply states the ignorance in by our population. Completely uneducated and ill-informed. And just to be clear, I am not defending Obama or anything of the sort, but clarifying the details of what socialism, communism and things like class welfare really are - because if anyone knew, they wouldn't make such a ridiculous claim. Everyone in our nation stands so strongly and proudly for their beliefs, yet half the time they don't truly know what they're actually are in practice nor mean by definition. So excuse me if I don't ignore your comments about "how to understand what obama reallly thinks". It's pretty silly to go around calling people terms when you/others don't understand the term you're throwing around, cause if you did, you'd know it doesn't apply.

prfctlefts wrote:

There's a difference between throwing someone a crumb and throwing them a loaf of bread and Obama is throwing crumbs. Ie no jobs
Why don't you read S Alinsky's rules for radicals and just maybe you might start to understand how Obama thinks.

FiveB247x wrote:

"Class warfare" - that's some funny shit.

When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. - Archbishop Helder Camara

The simple fact is that you and others are living with your head in the sand. Do I believe that Obama is a full blown Marxist ? NO I DONT.. But if you listen to him speak and you disect it and if you knew anything about Marx and Alinsky you would know where others and I are coming from. I really don't understand how you and others who happen to be intelligent people for the most part don't see what is happening and who this man really is. Look at the kinds of people that Obama grew up and surrounded himself with. That should speak volumes of who he really is and his ideology yet you and others and the media just ignore it and think it's no big deal.


Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism – His father wrote a paper called “Problems With Our Socialism” that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

Obama’s Mother was a “Communist Sympathizer” “Friends describe her as a “fellow traveler”, that is a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007 Chicago Tribune report” Source: Spengler, Asia Times “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstones when it comes to how I go about the world of politics – Barack Obama” Source: Tim Jones Chicago Tribune

Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class(Back then it was the Communist USSR) – “His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her farther always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class” Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) – “…through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The records shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as Frank.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “ Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attend Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975-1979” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama’s Brother Roy and Odinga are Marxists – “Barack Obama’s older brother Abongo “Roy” Obama. He is a Luo activist militant Muslim and a Marxist.” Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner “Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with hard-line Isamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country” Source: Invenstor’s Business Daily

Obama Attended Socialist Conference at Cooper Union – “He went to socialist conference at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he’d become “ one of those freaks you see on the street around here.” Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate – “Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she the only African American journalist to travel to the Soviet union to attend the 27th congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People’s Daily world, June 19, 1986” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home – Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who’s SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. “Obama’s run for the Illinois state Senate was lunched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers’ and DoDorhn’s Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNet Daily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama connection ( Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN – “Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)… Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance… Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National review

Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialist in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them – “Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialist of America (DSA) for an Illinois state Senate seat. Later the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions”of “Chicago’s democratic left”and a long time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialist, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “In its broadcast sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring abut socialism through democratic means as opposed to violant insurrection.” Source: Wikipedia

Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders, “Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate.” Source: Wikipedia

Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guevara – Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star times

blackredyellow

prfctlefts wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

The simple fact that many in our nation believe he or others are engaged or turning our nation into some type of "socialist" or "communist" state is not only insane, but simply states the ignorance in by our population. Completely uneducated and ill-informed. And just to be clear, I am not defending Obama or anything of the sort, but clarifying the details of what socialism, communism and things like class welfare really are - because if anyone knew, they wouldn't make such a ridiculous claim. Everyone in our nation stands so strongly and proudly for their beliefs, yet half the time they don't truly know what they're actually are in practice nor mean by definition. So excuse me if I don't ignore your comments about "how to understand what obama reallly thinks". It's pretty silly to go around calling people terms when you/others don't understand the term you're throwing around, cause if you did, you'd know it doesn't apply.

The simple fact is that you and others are living with your head in the sand. Do I believe that Obama is a full blown Marxist ? NO I DONT.. But if you listen to him speak and you disect it and if you knew anything about Marx and Alinsky you would know where others and I are coming from. I really don't understand how you and others who happen to be intelligent people for the most part don't see what is happening and who this man really is. Look at the kinds of people that Obama grew up and surrounded himself with. That should speak volumes of who he really is and his ideology yet you and others and the media just ignore it and think it's no big deal.


Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism – His father wrote a paper called “Problems With Our Socialism” that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

Obama’s Mother was a “Communist Sympathizer” “Friends describe her as a “fellow traveler”, that is a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007 Chicago Tribune report” Source: Spengler, Asia Times “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstones when it comes to how I go about the world of politics – Barack Obama” Source: Tim Jones Chicago Tribune

Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class(Back then it was the Communist USSR) – “His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her farther always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class” Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) – “…through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The records shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as Frank.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “ Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attend Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975-1979” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama’s Brother Roy and Odinga are Marxists – “Barack Obama’s older brother Abongo “Roy” Obama. He is a Luo activist militant Muslim and a Marxist.” Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner “Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with hard-line Isamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country” Source: Invenstor’s Business Daily

Obama Attended Socialist Conference at Cooper Union – “He went to socialist conference at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he’d become “ one of those freaks you see on the street around here.” Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate – “Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she the only African American journalist to travel to the Soviet union to attend the 27th congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People’s Daily world, June 19, 1986” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home – Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who’s SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. “Obama’s run for the Illinois state Senate was lunched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers’ and DoDorhn’s Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNet Daily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama connection ( Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN – “Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)… Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance… Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National review

Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialist in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them – “Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialist of America (DSA) for an Illinois state Senate seat. Later the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions”of “Chicago’s democratic left”and a long time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialist, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “In its broadcast sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring abut socialism through democratic means as opposed to violant insurrection.” Source: Wikipedia

Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders, “Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate.” Source: Wikipedia

Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guevara – Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star times

you really should stay away from political e-mail forwards... there is so much bias worded, out of context, horseshit in there, that I boggles my mind how anyone can read that with a straight face.

WaveCameCrashin

what horse shit ? please by all means show me what's not true about that. Like I said you and others cant accept the truth and don't want to know the truth.

FiveB247x

Firstly, what does what a person's family member or friend beliefs and thoughts specifically mean in terms of another? Do you believe or think or agree with everything everyone of your friends, family or acquaintances do? Pretty silly to make such a leap.

Secondly, I am very familiar with all the terms, definitions and people you're referring too which is why I find it ridiculous for many to make such comments and statements. The only "class welfare" or "scheme" we have in America is the Military Industrial Complex aka the Corporate agenda...in which money is filtered from the tax payers and citizens into big business and government. It is accomplished through many ways which include, bailouts, handouts, tax breaks, lobbying, government contracts and many others. This has all been going on since the 1960's to the present...and has very little to do with Obama - he's merely another name on the long, long list of participants of this system. If this is what you are referring to by class welfare, then yes, I agree, but if you somehow use the text book version of "marxism" or "socialism" or "class welfare" or "redistribution" which is what you have claimed, not only are you and others off base, you do not comprehend the practical and realistic meanings of these ideas and they are sorely misused and misappropriated.

Lastly, everyone wants to blame the representatives more than the practical and realistic issue at hand, that our system is simply broken and at a point where it feeds off itself. None of these issues are new nor are they result of any one person's plan or doing... it is the sum total of all of governments work for the past several decades. To solely blame one person for disenfranchisement or unfair practice or poor results is beyond unfair and simply at its core, biased opinion by a johnny come-lately who doesnt pay attention to the long term trends which are present in every fabric of our society.

prfctlefts wrote:

The simple fact is that you and others are living with your head in the sand. Do I believe that Obama is a full blown Marxist ? NO I DONT.. But if you listen to him speak and you disect it and if you knew anything about Marx and Alinsky you would know where others and I are coming from. I really don't understand how you and others who happen to be intelligent people for the most part don't see what is happening and who this man really is. Look at the kinds of people that Obama grew up and surrounded himself with. That should speak volumes of who he really is and his ideology yet you and others and the media just ignore it and think it's no big deal.