That's right Obama blame the republicans
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So Obama continues to blame the R. For not wanting to extend unemployment benefits and he continues to create class warfare by saying the upperclass are the only ones that got tax cuts under bush which is a lie.
The R just want Obama to get the money from somewhere else like maybe what's left of the stimulus money instead of adding to the deficit. Or here's an idea why doesn't he actually create some jobs instead of destroying them? I'm not here to stick up for the R's but I'm sick of all the lies and deciet that comes from Obama and how he's trying to pit people against one another. Geee I wonder where he got that from? Alinsky or Marx maybe?
The R just want Obama to get the money from somewhere else like maybe what's left of the stimulus money instead of adding to the deficit. Or here's an idea why doesn't he actually create some jobs instead of destroying them? I'm not here to stick up for the R's but I'm sick of all the lies and deciet that comes from Obama and how he's trying to pit people against one another. Geee I wonder where he got that from? Alinsky or Marx maybe?
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I also was pretty pissed at the words Obama used...you are right in that he is openly trying to create class warefare. It should work for him too...because there are more votes to get from people that want something FROM others than there are votes to get from people that you are taking away from. Pretty shitty and classless on Obama's part.
No it doesn't.
It makes ZERO sense.
This is the most asinine thing i have heard out of politicians in a good while.
Here, straight from wikipedia:
"The deficit is forecast [to be] $1.17 trillion in 2010 "
And ...
"The 2010 Budget proposed by President Barack Obama projects significant debt increases. The debt is projected to nearly double to $20 trillion by 2015"
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget#Deficit
So, the proposed budget "features" a whopping (and admittedly, predicted) near $1,700,000,000,000 in UNFUNDED, UN-"PAID FOR" ITEMS, and yet, there is proposal to BLOCK unemployment benefits unless we can come up with the ... what was the figure I heard? ... $36,000,000 (36 Million) ???
$36,000,000
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$1,700,000,000,000
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A PERCENTAGE SO SMALL MY "CALCULATOR" CAN ONLY DISPLAY IT AS A EXPONENTIAL FIGURE "2.117 E-5" and don't forget to move the decimal two places to the LEFT!
:roll: :roll: :roll:
You guys SERIOUSLY buy this shit?
I almost did a fucking spit take when i heard that junk!
WE ARE SWIMMING ... FUCKING DROWNING ... IN DEBT AND DEFICIT ... AND THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR IS THAT THIS PALTRY SUM IS GOING TO SINK US !?!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
How does it not make sense? They should do this with EVERYTHING.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The "what reasons"...as I already said...is a good question. But in reality, wouldn't it be a good thing if the gov't didn't spend any $ without saying where it was coming from first?
When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. - Archbishop Helder Camara
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
...when he blames Obama for EVERYYYYTHINGGGG... I feel if the moon were to lose orbit and crash into the Earth tomorrow there would suddenly be a thread on here about how it was Obama and the "lefties" fault...
No offense... but its exhausting.
Why don't you read S Alinsky's rules for radicals and just maybe you might start to understand how Obama thinks.
Can anyone come up with a good cutoff date? Aren't some people at or over 2 years now? That's too long, IMO.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I agree with that... But I'm not unemployed, so it's easy for me to say.
How much typically are unemployment benefits? I guess that would change my opinion a bit too... If they are a high percentage, then your unemployment check might be more than other jobs that you could get in the mean-time... that might be a deterrent to rushing to get back to work. But if it's a low percentage, then maybe people really just can't find any jobs.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I stared at him in disbelief for a few seconds, then told him he should start as soon as possible. I tried to touch on subjects like self respect, getting aid to families that really need it, the tax payer's burden, shame, pride, etc. But he really felt like everyone else was taking advantage of the system so why shouldn't he. The job offer would still be there is five months so why not take a paid vacation.
All I could do is shake my head in frustration, give him a solemn stink-eye, and ride off into the sunset on my bicycle.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
this really hits the nail on the head ... beyond the silly notion that this is some kind of democrat/republican or right/left thing, it really is about the system in general and the people that operate within it ...
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The simple fact is that you and others are living with your head in the sand. Do I believe that Obama is a full blown Marxist ? NO I DONT.. But if you listen to him speak and you disect it and if you knew anything about Marx and Alinsky you would know where others and I are coming from. I really don't understand how you and others who happen to be intelligent people for the most part don't see what is happening and who this man really is. Look at the kinds of people that Obama grew up and surrounded himself with. That should speak volumes of who he really is and his ideology yet you and others and the media just ignore it and think it's no big deal.
Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism – His father wrote a paper called “Problems With Our Socialism” that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit
Obama’s Mother was a “Communist Sympathizer” “Friends describe her as a “fellow traveler”, that is a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007 Chicago Tribune report” Source: Spengler, Asia Times “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstones when it comes to how I go about the world of politics – Barack Obama” Source: Tim Jones Chicago Tribune
Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class(Back then it was the Communist USSR) – “His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her farther always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class” Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times
Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) – “…through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The records shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as Frank.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “ Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attend Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975-1979” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)
Obama’s Brother Roy and Odinga are Marxists – “Barack Obama’s older brother Abongo “Roy” Obama. He is a Luo activist militant Muslim and a Marxist.” Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner “Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with hard-line Isamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country” Source: Invenstor’s Business Daily
Obama Attended Socialist Conference at Cooper Union – “He went to socialist conference at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he’d become “ one of those freaks you see on the street around here.” Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News
Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate – “Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she the only African American journalist to travel to the Soviet union to attend the 27th congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People’s Daily world, June 19, 1986” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)
Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home – Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who’s SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. “Obama’s run for the Illinois state Senate was lunched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers’ and DoDorhn’s Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNet Daily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama connection ( Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)
Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN – “Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)… Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance… Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National review
Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialist in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them – “Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialist of America (DSA) for an Illinois state Senate seat. Later the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions”of “Chicago’s democratic left”and a long time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialist, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.” Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media “In its broadcast sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring abut socialism through democratic means as opposed to violant insurrection.” Source: Wikipedia
Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders, “Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate.” Source: Wikipedia
Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guevara – Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star times
you really should stay away from political e-mail forwards... there is so much bias worded, out of context, horseshit in there, that I boggles my mind how anyone can read that with a straight face.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Secondly, I am very familiar with all the terms, definitions and people you're referring too which is why I find it ridiculous for many to make such comments and statements. The only "class welfare" or "scheme" we have in America is the Military Industrial Complex aka the Corporate agenda...in which money is filtered from the tax payers and citizens into big business and government. It is accomplished through many ways which include, bailouts, handouts, tax breaks, lobbying, government contracts and many others. This has all been going on since the 1960's to the present...and has very little to do with Obama - he's merely another name on the long, long list of participants of this system. If this is what you are referring to by class welfare, then yes, I agree, but if you somehow use the text book version of "marxism" or "socialism" or "class welfare" or "redistribution" which is what you have claimed, not only are you and others off base, you do not comprehend the practical and realistic meanings of these ideas and they are sorely misused and misappropriated.
Lastly, everyone wants to blame the representatives more than the practical and realistic issue at hand, that our system is simply broken and at a point where it feeds off itself. None of these issues are new nor are they result of any one person's plan or doing... it is the sum total of all of governments work for the past several decades. To solely blame one person for disenfranchisement or unfair practice or poor results is beyond unfair and simply at its core, biased opinion by a johnny come-lately who doesnt pay attention to the long term trends which are present in every fabric of our society.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It doesn't mean that you agree with them on everything but at some point you have to ask yourself why whould he associate with those types of people if they didnt share some of the same beliefs ?
when i said class warfare the context I was using it in was pitting people against one another as in the miidleclass or the poor against the wealthy. That's exactly what Obama was doing and he does it all the time.
People have been "pitted against one another" since the beginning of time.. it's why we have conflict and war. It's very naive to assume Obama is doing such simply because you disagree with him, especially since his predecessor was famously known by all as such a divisive figure at an extreme level.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i think most programs do not work because of the exploitive nature of people and society in general ... we are so hell bent on taking as much as we can that we lose sight of the greater purpose ... these unemployment benefits are a temporary measure to keep people afloat and contributing to the consumer-based economy that is established ... is it a shock to see people (from all sides of the political spectrum) take advantage of it? hardly ... is it only a few? ... i doubt it ... it may not be everyone but it doesn't take a lot of people to exploit a program to render it a failure ...
Against my better judgmental, I'm going to waste my time with a few of these...
His father who was barely in Obama's life? His non-existent fathers' political views are irrelevant even if this true.
Gasp... they met in a college class? And the class was a Russian language class during the height of the cold war? I guess that means anyone who takes an arabic class these days is an Al-Qaeda supporter?
Well, that settles it... nothing like hearsay family conversations that supposedly happened 30 years ago.
Obama supported the de facto Democratic nominee for a US Senate seat that the DCCC was backing? Wow... I guess he should have campaigned for the Republican candidate.
One campaign volunteer out of thousands and thousands of volunteers around the country had a Che flag in his office... Yeah, I guess that means "Many Obama Supporters idolize Che Guevara"... Great logic there...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I agree with what Polaris X is saying.
The problem with entitlement programs is that they are severely abused by a minority of the public who choose to collect them. People in our society pump out kids just to collect a larger welfare check. People would rather collect "free" money than work. This is a fact. We are a lazy nation. So how do we remedy this? Regulation.
My old neighbor was on unemployment after being fired from a job where she worked 20 + years. All she had to do every week was fill out a questionairre online - 5 questions - to collect. This is a joke and an invitation to scam the system. No meeting with a counselor, no proof that she was looking for a job. The system needs to be heavily regulated so people cannot take advantage of a good system. And, if the system is better regulated, this will demand more jobs to work for the regulation agency.
To me, this is all common sense
this post is stupid...
What you may not understand about this is that there are so many people unemployed there aren't enough DUA workers to check on what people are doing. The times that I have gone to the unemployment office I have found them to be less than helpful. I have done everything on my own. This includes paying for my own training programs that are government supported. The only time I have seen DUA workers check up on people is if they have got money through Section 30 to go back to school.
The job market is AWFUL. I feel lucky that it only took me 10 weeks to find a job after my training was completed at the end of April. I go back to work on Monday after 59 weeks of unemployment.
"Look at the kinds of people that Obama grew up and surrounded himself with. That should speak volumes of who he really is and his ideology"?
My parents are die-hard conservatives. My grandfather is racist. My uncle named his dog after Rush Limbaugh because he's such a fan. My brother ran for political office as a Republican. My cousins are anti-choice. My other grandfather hates - sorry, dislikes - Obama as much as you do. And I hang around on this message board with you. Does that mean I'm a Limbaugh-loving, Obama-hating, anti-choice, racist, conservative Republican who agrees with your politics? Absolutely not!
I tried to learn Korean and Arabic in college. Does that mean I agree with the politics of North Korea and Iran? Of course not!
I hung around all types of people who have had all types of trouble with the law when I was in high school. Does that mean I'm like them? No!
The conclusions you draw about Obama based on the supposed beliefs of people he has known are completely unfounded. And I think you're smart enough to know this. And everyone else is smart enough to know this. Yet you persist with this line of reasoning anyway, so as to come up with more bad things to say about Obama. My question is, what could possibly make a man hate (sorry, dislike) someone so much that they would abandon all sense of reason simply for the opportunity to condemn him further? Did he sleep with your mother, conning her out of all your family's money and causing your dad to kill your mother and himself? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to condemn Obama, but a campaign worker who he never even met owning a Che flag is not one of them.
Congratulations on your new job! :thumbup: