Toyota black box results

Godfather.

I'm not sure that this is a wise move on Toyota's behalf, telling the public "it's your fault" is not what they the Toyota customers want to hear.. in my opinion anyway.

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/07/ ... d-crashes/

know1

But in the preliminary findings, the government is now agreeing with Toyota.

I would have bet some good money this is how it would play out. On some level, I think it was a bit of a witch hunt to try and save some face for the American car manufacturers.

haffajappa

If this was an American-made car no one would hear about it.
I was reading the paper the other day and there was a blurb on a GM recall, it was about 5 sentences long.
If that had of been Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. it would have been front page.

I did love this comment in an article:
Why do we believe wild Toyota stories like the 94 mph "runaway Prius"? The gearbox allowed shifting into neutral by merely reaching out a finger, but the driver told credulous reporters he was afraid to do so because he needed to keep both hands on the steering wheel. And regarding that cell phone in his hand? (viewtopic.php?f=13&t=132569&hilit=+prius+cell+phone)

Godfather.

ford went through the same thing with the pinto and it's gas tank in rear of the car, but my point was not a overseas vs. American cars..although I would never own a overseas car truck or motorcycle.
I was just thinking it may have been better to word their findings a little differently rather than it was a operator err, I think it might be hard to sell a car to someone you just called stupid or it was your fault,
I'm not saying anything about the quality of the car but just the way Toyota released it's findings if they were true or not...and I could be totally wrong too, just a thought.

Godfather.

haffajappa

but most of the articles (at least the one's I googled) are citing agencies as the ones doing the tests, not Toyota...

Jason P

haffajappa wrote:

If this was an American-made car no one would hear about it.
I was reading the paper the other day and there was a blurb on a GM recall, it was about 5 sentences long.
If that had of been Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. it would have been front page.

I recall Ford Explorers and Firestone getting into hot water about 10 years ago. I was considering getting an Explorer at the time and decided not to due to the safety risk.

Also, I did get a recall notice from GM last week for my 2008 truck. It noted there is a problem with the windshield wiper motor and it needs replaced. Not exactly a headline generating story.

Godfather.

haffajappa wrote:

but most of the articles (at least the one's I googled) are citing agencies as the ones doing the tests, not Toyota...

"most" or all ?...bottom line it was a bad PR move in my opinion thats all.

Godfather.

cincybearcat

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

but most of the articles (at least the one's I googled) are citing agencies as the ones doing the tests, not Toyota...

"most" or all ?...bottom line it was a bad PR move in my opinion thats all.

Godfather.

I don't think it's a bad PR move at all, if it's true.

Cosmo

I cast my doubts when that guy in San Diego claimed his Prius was doing 94 MPH and that CHP Cruiser had to help him stop it. Turns out... his business was in trouble and he wanted out of his lease.
Greatest doubt... Prius... 94 MPH?

Jason P

Godfather. wrote:

ford went through the same thing with the pinto and it's gas tank in rear of the car, but my point was not a overseas vs. American cars..although I would never own a overseas car truck or motorcycle.
I was just thinking it may have been better to word their findings a little differently rather than it was a operator err, I think it might be hard to sell a car to someone you just called stupid or it was your fault,
I'm not saying anything about the quality of the car but just the way Toyota released it's findings if they were true or not...and I could be totally wrong too, just a thought.

Godfather.

I think the whole "overseas" mentality is slowly fading away due to the globalization of auto manufacturing. My Mom's Toyota was built in southern Indiana by Hoosiers (and non-union to boot). My Dad's Chevrolet Avalanche was built in the heart of Mexico.

So the rice burning mini-van was made by Hoosiers and the all-american SUV/Pickup was built by Mexicans. Combine that with the fact that most of the components were made in Asia and it is hard to justify just buying from US auto firms.

haffajappa

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

but most of the articles (at least the one's I googled) are citing agencies as the ones doing the tests, not Toyota...

"most" or all ?...bottom line it was a bad PR move in my opinion thats all.

Godfather.

sorry, all.
all of the ones I googled said US Department of Transportation's study.

haffajappa

Jason P wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

If this was an American-made car no one would hear about it.
I was reading the paper the other day and there was a blurb on a GM recall, it was about 5 sentences long.
If that had of been Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. it would have been front page.

I recall Ford Explorers and Firestone getting into hot water about 10 years ago. I was considering getting an Explorer at the time and decided not to due to the safety risk.

Also, I did get a recall notice from GM last week for my 2008 truck. It noted there is a problem with the windshield wiper motor and it needs replaced. Not exactly a headline generating story.

The recall I read about was talking about the windshield wiper fluid causing the car to catch on fire.

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

but most of the articles (at least the one's I googled) are citing agencies as the ones doing the tests, not Toyota...

"most" or all ?...bottom line it was a bad PR move in my opinion thats all.

Godfather.

I don't think it's a bad PR move at all, if it's true.

just for shits and giggles lets say the PJ forum was being used to steal all of your info right down to your credit card number and a firm did the research and concluded that it was your fault for giving the your info in the first place,would you continue to use the PJ forum and give another CC number to post here ?

Godfather.

Jason P

haffajappa wrote:

Jason P wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

If this was an American-made car no one would hear about it.
I was reading the paper the other day and there was a blurb on a GM recall, it was about 5 sentences long.
If that had of been Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. it would have been front page.

I recall Ford Explorers and Firestone getting into hot water about 10 years ago. I was considering getting an Explorer at the time and decided not to due to the safety risk.

Also, I did get a recall notice from GM last week for my 2008 truck. It noted there is a problem with the windshield wiper motor and it needs replaced. Not exactly a headline generating story.

The recall I read about was talking about the windshield wiper fluid causing the car to catch on fire.

That's the one. It's a heater that helps (or is supposed to) break up ice. I think I used it a few times and didn't notice any benefits. I guess there have been 5 cases of fire and no reports of injury or crashes. GM is supposed to remove the feature and cut me a check for $100. So I'm happy.

I guess I was trying to point out that there will be an uproar over any issue that can lead to loss of life, but especially when the aftermath can be documented with fires, explosions, body bags, and crying relatives for the 6 pm news.

Godfather.

Jason P wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

ford went through the same thing with the pinto and it's gas tank in rear of the car, but my point was not a overseas vs. American cars..although I would never own a overseas car truck or motorcycle.
I was just thinking it may have been better to word their findings a little differently rather than it was a operator err, I think it might be hard to sell a car to someone you just called stupid or it was your fault,
I'm not saying anything about the quality of the car but just the way Toyota released it's findings if they were true or not...and I could be totally wrong too, just a thought.

Godfather.

I think the whole "overseas" mentality is slowly fading away due to the globalization of auto manufacturing. My Mom's Toyota was built in southern Indiana by Hoosiers (and non-union to boot). My Dad's Chevrolet Avalanche was built in the heart of Mexico.

So the rice burning mini-van was made by Hoosiers and the all-american SUV/Pickup was built by Mexicans. Combine that with the fact that most of the components were made in Asia and it is hard to justify just buying from US auto firms.

"I think the whole "overseas" mentality is slowly fading away due to the globalization of auto manufacturing."

not me.

Godfather.

haffajappa

Godfather wrote:

just for shits and giggles lets say the PJ forum was being used to steal all of your info right down to your credit card number and a firm did the research and concluded that it was your fault for giving the your info in the first place,would you continue to use the PJ forum and give another CC number to post here ?

Godfather.

you are comparing identity theft you are unaware about to pushing the wrong pedal?

say you put your hand on the hot element of the stove instead of the unused one... would you continue to use a stove?

cincybearcat

Godfather. wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

"most" or all ?...bottom line it was a bad PR move in my opinion thats all.

Godfather.

I don't think it's a bad PR move at all, if it's true.

just for shits and giggles lets say the PJ forum was being used to steal all of your info right down to your credit card number and a firm did the research and concluded that it was your fault for giving the your info in the first place,would you continue to use the PJ forum and give another CC number to post here ?

Godfather.

Don't think that is a fair comparison. Here is the fair comparison...

Someone steals all my identity here at the Pearl Jam forums. It is discovered that I posted all the information myself to be seen by all. Do I blame the forum? That's the equivalent of stepping on the gas pedal instead of the brake.

Godfather.

I'm good with that Cincy, my whole point is that the PR by who ever released the info may hurt Toyota even more,it could have been worded more carefully thats all.

Godfather.