"Random" profiling at O'hare airport?

unsung

_outlaw wrote:

"actually, white americans have the luxury of not having to go through airports to blow shit up in other countries."

the point of this sentence is, in simpler terms, americans blow shit up in other countries. the person I was responding to seemed to infer as if there is a distinction between the people blowing shit up in America and the US soldiers doing so in other countries. the emphasis was NOT on the race, ie. white. the reason i wrote "white americans" rather than just "americans" was because it was a direct response to what he wrote.

really, what are you doing on an internet forum where reading (and writing) is the only method of communication if your reading comprehension is so terrible.

In a thread speaking about racial profiling I figured your white American line was trying to make a valid point. I can now see that you really weren't.

fuck

unsung wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

"actually, white americans have the luxury of not having to go through airports to blow shit up in other countries."

the point of this sentence is, in simpler terms, americans blow shit up in other countries. the person I was responding to seemed to infer as if there is a distinction between the people blowing shit up in America and the US soldiers doing so in other countries. the emphasis was NOT on the race, ie. white. the reason i wrote "white americans" rather than just "americans" was because it was a direct response to what he wrote.

really, what are you doing on an internet forum where reading (and writing) is the only method of communication if your reading comprehension is so terrible.

In a thread speaking about racial profiling I figured your white American line was trying to make a valid point. I can now see that you really weren't.

hah, good one

catefrances

TriumphantAngel wrote:

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what about tim mcveigh? why don't you profile all white 20-30 year old males?

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im thinking that if tim mcveighs MO matched that of the terrorists were screening for(or vice versa), then yes white males 20-30 years old would be pulled aside and probed.

Cosmo

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I knew my opinion would draw the ire of others... even though that is merely what it is... one person's opinion.
I said screen everyone... after profiling out the ones least likely to blow shit up... the 70 year old grannies and the big fat guys that can barely fit in the aisles. Eveyone else... and YES, including the 19-55 year old white guys, Mexican guys, Asian guys, black guys and... Arab guys have to pass through the 'See Naked Me' X-Ray tube to make sure we don't have a bundle of M-80s duct taped to our scrot. That just becomes part of the drill when you go to the airport.... security, dealt out equally.
When the ladies start blowing up shit... then, y'all get the upskirt treatment. When the big fat guys start blowing up shit... put them on the list.
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Now... I take it... you all fly airliners, right? So does your Mom and sister and son and daughter. There needs to be security... right? Part of the reason WHY we were hit... was because we were easy to hit. You never saw M-16s at the airport on September 10, 2001. Our openness was an opportunity for violence against us. I'm pretty sure that if you leave your doors unlocked and your windows open at night today... they will all be locked up tomorrow if you are beaten and raped in your home tonight.

Cosmo

_outlaw wrote:

this is such a one dimensional view, you have no sense of looking at the other point of view.

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Wait a second... isn't this a preconcieved judgement upon my character?

OutOfBreath

Commy wrote:

Authority represents a fundamental flaw in society...and people have been blinded...what we can do for ourselves has been outsourced to a minority, the elite, and people think that is the way it should be. Authority given to the elite.

The egocentric, racist, conceited, bigoted elite.

We have the ability to take that power back, and i believe it is a matter of when. Revolution is part of human history.

Authority is not a flaw. When the authority is true and just, there is no problem. A policeman's authority is a boon to us all. So are authorities on various sciences etc, as is generally the authority of law for instance.

Legitimate and reasoned authority is a good thing. Illegitimate, unjust and abused authority is a very bad thing. But the bad part is that it's illegitimate and abused, not authority per se.

As for an american revolution against the rule of the elite, meaning the rule of money, is unlikely since it is generally seen as very legitimate. There is a deep-seated sympathy for anyone to make as much money as he/she wants, and spend it on whatever they please. They are entitled to the power the money brings. True there are some undercurrents that show when the elite get a bit too greedy and too many regular joes are hit by job losses etc, but as long as they then scale back to regular greed and power everything's ok. Sadly.

(edit) not saying this isn't the case elsewhere as well, but I can think of few places where the amassment of wealth and power into the hands of relatively few individuals is as legitimized by the general populace as in the US.

Peace
Dan

fuck

Cosmo wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

this is such a one dimensional view, you have no sense of looking at the other point of view.

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This makes so much sense... specifically since it is coming from the 'KING of Only Seeing One Point of View'.

your assumption of me is incorrect as usual. in fact, every single one of my arguments ALWAYS argue for what is best for both sides, not one over the other. whether it's US foreign policy, Israel-Palestine, or Islam and the West. in fact, my post above where i stated why profiling was bad not only for arabs/muslims but for the US due its failure in helping capture suspects is a perfect example

the reason I say that your view was one dimensional because it only entertained one dimension of the idea. you said:

"But, really... The Arab guys really need to be pissed at the other Arab guys for making their lives shit..." - Cosmo the Wise

just like "the black guys" in LA should be pissed at "the other black guys" when a policeman fucks with them, or when theyre treated unfavorably due solely to the race they were born into? but that's not even the main issue with this - it's one dimensional because you don't take into account any American involvement in this issue such as - why the fuck 9 years after 9/11 is "another 9/11" still a possibility as the US has always tried to shove down our throats??? if anything, maybe it's because of the fucking horrible way the US handled things! the arab guys should not be pissed at the other arab guys, they should be pissed at the US who first of all has always alienated its arab-muslim community, since before 9/11, and it has only increased at fucking uncharted rates since then, the US who has only helped breed islamic fundamentalism which if anything is a threat to muslims just as much as it is a threat to the US especially because of the horrible backlash it causes american muslims. the US by profiling and targeting and alienating american arabs and muslims will not help this problem. they need to instead bring in their arab-muslim counterparts.

"Those fucking guy on the Internet websites calling for a goddamn Fatwa on America and the West are making their lives shit when it comes to airport travel." - Cosmo the Enlightened One

and the US is making every American's life shit with their continued presence in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. This has a direct relation to these phony ass internet websites, and I hope I don't have to spell it out for you. instead of being so concerned with ourselves, perhaps we should take into account most of all how our actions elsewhere affect us here.

Pepe Silvia

_outlaw wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

this is such a one dimensional view, you have no sense of looking at the other point of view.

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This makes so much sense... specifically since it is coming from the 'KING of Only Seeing One Point of View'.

your assumption of me is incorrect as usual. in fact, every single one of my arguments ALWAYS argue for what is best for both sides, not one over the other. whether it's US foreign policy, Israel-Palestine, or Islam and the West. in fact, my post above where i stated why profiling was bad not only for arabs/muslims but for the US due its failure in helping capture suspects is a perfect example

the reason I say that your view was one dimensional because it only entertained one dimension of the idea. you said:

"But, really... The Arab guys really need to be pissed at the other Arab guys for making their lives shit..." - Cosmo the Wise

just like "the black guys" in LA should be pissed at "the other black guys" when a policeman fucks with them, or when theyre treated unfavorably due solely to the race they were born into? but that's not even the main issue with this - it's one dimensional because you don't take into account any American involvement in this issue such as - why the fuck 9 years after 9/11 is "another 9/11" still a possibility as the US has always tried to shove down our throats??? if anything, maybe it's because of the fucking horrible way the US handled things! the arab guys should not be pissed at the other arab guys, they should be pissed at the US who first of all has always alienated its arab-muslim community, since before 9/11, and it has only increased at fucking uncharted rates since then, the US who has only helped breed islamic fundamentalism which if anything is a threat to muslims just as much as it is a threat to the US especially because of the horrible backlash it causes american muslims. the US by profiling and targeting and alienating american arabs and muslims will not help this problem. they need to instead bring in their arab-muslim counterparts.

"Those fucking guy on the Internet websites calling for a goddamn Fatwa on America and the West are making their lives shit when it comes to airport travel." - Cosmo the Enlightened One

and the US is making every American's life shit with their continued presence in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. This has a direct relation to these phony ass internet websites, and I hope I don't have to spell it out for you. instead of being so concerned with ourselves, perhaps we should take into account most of all how our actions elsewhere affect us here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcJ9tPvy-4

Cosmo

_outlaw wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

this is such a one dimensional view, you have no sense of looking at the other point of view.

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This makes so much sense... specifically since it is coming from the 'KING of Only Seeing One Point of View'.

your assumption of me is incorrect as usual. in fact, every single one of my arguments ALWAYS argue for what is best for both sides, not one over the other. whether it's US foreign policy, Israel-Palestine, or Islam and the West. in fact, my post above where i stated why profiling was bad not only for arabs/muslims but for the US due its failure in helping capture suspects is a perfect example

the reason I say that your view was one dimensional because it only entertained one dimension of the idea. you said:

"But, really... The Arab guys really need to be pissed at the other Arab guys for making their lives shit..." - Cosmo the Wise

just like "the black guys" in LA should be pissed at "the other black guys" when a policeman fucks with them, or when theyre treated unfavorably due solely to the race they were born into? but that's not even the main issue with this - it's one dimensional because you don't take into account any American involvement in this issue such as - why the fuck 9 years after 9/11 is "another 9/11" still a possibility as the US has always tried to shove down our throats??? if anything, maybe it's because of the fucking horrible way the US handled things! the arab guys should not be pissed at the other arab guys, they should be pissed at the US who first of all has always alienated its arab-muslim community, since before 9/11, and it has only increased at fucking uncharted rates since then, the US who has only helped breed islamic fundamentalism which if anything is a threat to muslims just as much as it is a threat to the US especially because of the horrible backlash it causes american muslims. the US by profiling and targeting and alienating american arabs and muslims will not help this problem. they need to instead bring in their arab-muslim counterparts.

"Those fucking guy on the Internet websites calling for a goddamn Fatwa on America and the West are making their lives shit when it comes to airport travel." - Cosmo the Enlightened One

and the US is making every American's life shit with their continued presence in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. This has a direct relation to these phony ass internet websites, and I hope I don't have to spell it out for you. instead of being so concerned with ourselves, perhaps we should take into account most of all how our actions elsewhere affect us here.

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Oh yeah... I forgot about all of your equal amounts of Pro-Israeli arguements in those zillions of Israel/Palestine debates you post here.
My bad.

fuck

Cosmo wrote:

Oh yeah... I forgot about all of your equal amounts of Pro-Israeli arguements in those zillions of Israel/Palestine debates you post here.
My bad.

haha, this is what you have to offer as a response. anyway, again you're completely one dimensional. to you, pro-Israeli means pro-Zionism, am I right? "pro-Israeli" means "support Israel's complete destruction of Palestine" at all costs. No, actually. If you look at it from a strategic point of view, Israel's current path is headed towards destruction and is not beneficial to Israel whatsoever. All I argue and defend regarding that issue I also take into account the concerns of Israeli Jews and try for what is the most just solution for both people. And the solution I defend, I believe does that, and we could talk about this all day. way to shift off topic though

Cosmo

_outlaw wrote:

haha, this is what you have to offer as a response. anyway, again you're completely one dimensional. to you, pro-Israeli means pro-Zionism, am I right? "pro-Israeli" means "support Israel's complete destruction of Palestine" at all costs. No, actually. If you look at it from a strategic point of view, Israel's current path is headed towards destruction and is not beneficial to Israel whatsoever. All I argue and defend regarding that issue I also take into account the concerns of Israeli Jews and try for what is the most just solution for both people. And the solution I defend, I believe does that, and we could talk about this all day. way to shift off topic though

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Back to the issue at hand..
How would you secure our airports?

know1

Jason P wrote:

Hard to tell if it was random or if he was profiled.

Here are my thoughts on profiling at airports:

I hope the FAA has compiled a huge database that takes into account patterns that captured terrorists have followed. It should take into account age, race, gender, criminal history, flight history and length of stay, country of origin, favorite color, pet's names, etc. If you happen to have a profile that closely resembles what is in this database (not just race, I'm talking 50% or more matching attributes), then be prepared for a secondary inspection. I don't think a plan like this is unreasonable. I'd even be willing to take race out of the database as a concession.

Combine this with the random searches and it will only be beneficial to making air travel more safe.

I absolutely agree with this.

We should get to a point where the secondary inspections are not random at all but rather based upon tangible information and patterns. If those include country of origin, than so be it.

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

haha, this is what you have to offer as a response. anyway, again you're completely one dimensional. to you, pro-Israeli means pro-Zionism, am I right? "pro-Israeli" means "support Israel's complete destruction of Palestine" at all costs. No, actually. If you look at it from a strategic point of view, Israel's current path is headed towards destruction and is not beneficial to Israel whatsoever. All I argue and defend regarding that issue I also take into account the concerns of Israeli Jews and try for what is the most just solution for both people. And the solution I defend, I believe does that, and we could talk about this all day. way to shift off topic though

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Back to the issue at hand..
How would you secure our airports?

We could try this.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/ ... detection/

While you're there check out the video of the fighting jumping spiders.

fuck

Cosmo wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

haha, this is what you have to offer as a response. anyway, again you're completely one dimensional. to you, pro-Israeli means pro-Zionism, am I right? "pro-Israeli" means "support Israel's complete destruction of Palestine" at all costs. No, actually. If you look at it from a strategic point of view, Israel's current path is headed towards destruction and is not beneficial to Israel whatsoever. All I argue and defend regarding that issue I also take into account the concerns of Israeli Jews and try for what is the most just solution for both people. And the solution I defend, I believe does that, and we could talk about this all day. way to shift off topic though

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Back to the issue at hand..
How would you secure our airports?

I'm not a security expert, but I never said your idea which suggested complete random searches (except for elderly and such) was a bad idea. This discussion however is focused solely on racial profiling, which is completely unconstitutional. I know you weren't supporting it per se, I was responding to another part of your post, not the 'how do we secure our airports' discussion, although i would still argue that not only is racial profiling unconstitutional, it does not necessarily increase our security.

Godfather.

just out of curiosity how is the airport check racial profiling ? if you wanted a apple would you pick it from a orange tree ? .....old chinese proverb I just made up

Godfather.

TriumphantAngel

Cosmo wrote:

oh yeah... I forgot about all of your equal amounts of Pro-Israeli arguements in those zillions of Israel/Palestine debates you post here.
My bad.

i know that this wasn't posted to me but i'm going to answer with my thoughts.

it's pretty hard to for me to come up with any Pro-Israel arguments when i am talking about a country that is founded on a racist ideology, is backed by the most powerful military in the history of the world (the US), has some of the most sophisticated weaponry in the world at it''s disposal and uses it without mercy against the Palestinians, is constantly and illegally expanding its territory at the expense of the Palestinian people, thinks they have the right to imprison an entire population of people based on the actions of a few, violates the Palestinians basic rights every single day, builds illegal separation walls and isolates communities, thinks they are above demands of international law and of common humanity, and most repulsively trys to justify its selfish and brutal actions by portraying itself as the victim and pretending like they've done everything they can and have no idea why there is violence. just to name a few.......

i don't think there is anyone here who does not want to see a peaceful solution. it's how that peaceful solution should come about is what a lot of the posts are centred around and that's where there is much disagreeance. i mean if it makes you happy, i could start a thread about how the weather is pretty damn nice in Israel i guess, but that's pretty insignificant when you look at the big picture isn't is Cosmo.