Six Months to Go Until The Largest Tax Hikes in History Rea

WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited July 2010 in A Moving Train
I thought Obama was only going to raise taxes on people that made over 250k a year. :lolno: :x I hope all of you that voted for this man are happy. He was full of shit then and he's full of shit now. :x


Six Months to Go Until
The Largest Tax Hikes in History
From Ryan Ellis on Wednesday, July 7,

http://atr.org/six-months-untilbr-large ... kes-a5171#

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In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect. They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011:
(N.B. This version of the document contains even more tax hikes than the original version did)

First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:

Personal income tax rates will rise. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:

- The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
- The 25% bracket rises to 28%
- The 28% bracket rises to 31%
- The 33% bracket rises to 36%
- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%

Higher taxes on marriage and family. The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level. The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.

The return of the Death Tax. This year, there is no death tax. For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.

Higher tax rates on savers and investors. The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011. These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.

Second Wave: Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

The Tanning Tax. This went into effect on July 1st of this year. It imposes a new, 10% excise tax on getting a tan at a tanning salon. There is no exemption for tanners making less than $250,000 per year.

The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Brand Name Drug Tax. Starting next year, there will be a multi-billion dollar tax assessment imposed on name-brand drug manufacturers. This tax, like all excise taxes, will raise the price of medicine, hurting everyone.

Economic Substance Doctrine. The IRS is now empowered to disallow perfectly-legal tax deductions and maneuvers merely because it judges that the deduction or action lacks “economic substance.” This is obviously an arbitrary empowerment of IRS agents.

Employer Reporting of Health Insurance Costs on a W-2. This will start for W-2s in the 2011 tax year. While not a tax increase in itself, it makes it very easy for Congress to tax employer-provided healthcare benefits later.

Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.


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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    is this grover norquists site? the website is called "americans for tax reform", so in my eyes they don't have any sort of agenda or anything.... :roll: sounds like more drummed up fear to me...where is their source for ths information? it is as if they took a bunch of numbers and arbitrarily raised them by 5%....anybody that can do simple math can do that...and of course, like new coke it is updated..."this version of the document contains even more tax hikes than the original version did"...

    also, any website hawking "obama tax hike exemption cards" has suspect credibility at best....

    before you attack me, my position is i don't care if i pay higher taxes as long as it is paying for things....IMO we have been paying less than we should have been since bush's tax cuts where we all got $300 back....
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    it's not drummed up fear. Just wait until Jan 1. and you'll see for yourself and
    Why would I attack you? If you can afford to pay higher taxes than good for you,but
    Many Americans cannot afford for their taxes to go up. As far as the website goes
    you can find others that are saying the same thing. You shouldn't be so cynical. Just bcos it's a conservative website doesn't mean you should automatically think it's not factual info The facts are the
    facts taxes are going up across the board.
  • hedavehedave Posts: 201
    What are you talking about? Where did your information come from? As expected, Obama wants to cap the tax rate for itemized deductions at 28% as opposed to the taxpayer’s actual tax rate. This would result in a limited ability to deduct charitable donations, home mortgage interest and real estate taxes. Estimated savings: $291 billion over 10 years. Obama has proposed letting the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts expire for upper income households. The legislation currently on the books did not make the cuts permanent so basically, if Congress does nothing, the cuts will expire. Obama wants to allow the tax cuts to expire for high-income households, meaning $200,000 for individual taxpayers and $250,000 for those married taxpayers filing jointly. The budget suggests more or less a freeze at the 2009 levels: a $3.5 million personal exemption with a top rate of 45%. Estimated savings: $262 billion over 10 years.

    The budget also calls for a single extension of the Making Work Pay tax credit that adds a few dollars to workers’ paychecks every pay period. There’s only a one year plan in the budget but the hope is that it will be renewed every year for the next ten years. Estimated cost: $61.2 billion over 10 years.

    As part of his agenda to “rescue” the middle class, the President suggests expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit and the child-care tax credit. Estimated cost: $27.8 billion over 10 years. In the end, the budget is a 192 pages. Essentially, everything gets pushed back to 2001 levels, before Bush's massive whirlwind tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Now, if you must continue the Obama bashing instead of actually looking at the 192 page budget, which is available online, feel free. But remember, if you loved George W. Bush and seemed inspired by his presidency, you were probably inspired by your high school principal.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,557
    I'm happy! I saw Pearl Jam six times this year, Hartford, Boston, MSG I & II, Dublin and Belfast. Yea, I'm happy! Screw the republican party and the Tea Baggers.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Lets just do a flat tax.
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
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  • agfyagfy Posts: 133
    KR62675 wrote:
    I'm happy! I saw Pearl Jam six times this year, Hartford, Boston, MSG I & II, Dublin and Belfast. Yea, I'm happy! Screw the republican party and the Tea Baggers.
    :clap::clap::clap:
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    KR62675 wrote:
    I'm happy! I saw Pearl Jam six times this year, Hartford, Boston, MSG I & II, Dublin and Belfast. Yea, I'm happy! Screw the republican party and the Tea Baggers.

    so it's all about you?
    Screw everyone else huh?
    I thought libs were about looking out for the little guy.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    What am I talking about ? I just showed you. Look I don't give a shit whether you Or anyone else belives me. The facts are Obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class and what was going to be in the healthcare bill.
    But you and the rest of the Obama drones are to blind to see it or just don't care or both.

    hedave wrote:
    What are you talking about? Where did your information come from? As expected, Obama wants to cap the tax rate for itemized deductions at 28% as opposed to the taxpayer’s actual tax rate. This would result in a limited ability to deduct charitable donations, home mortgage interest and real estate taxes. Estimated savings: $291 billion over 10 years. Obama has proposed letting the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts expire for upper income households. The legislation currently on the books did not make the cuts permanent so basically, if Congress does nothing, the cuts will expire. Obama wants to allow the tax cuts to expire for high-income households, meaning $200,000 for individual taxpayers and $250,000 for those married taxpayers filing jointly. The budget suggests more or less a freeze at the 2009 levels: a $3.5 million personal exemption with a top rate of 45%. Estimated savings: $262 billion over 10 years.

    The budget also calls for a single extension of the Making Work Pay tax credit that adds a few dollars to workers’ paychecks every pay period. There’s only a one year plan in the budget but the hope is that it will be renewed every year for the next ten years. Estimated cost: $61.2 billion over 10 years.

    As part of his agenda to “rescue” the middle class, the President suggests expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit and the child-care tax credit. Estimated cost: $27.8 billion over 10 years. In the end, the budget is a 192 pages. Essentially, everything gets pushed back to 2001 levels, before Bush's massive whirlwind tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Now, if you must continue the Obama bashing instead of actually looking at the 192 page budget, which is available online, feel free. But remember, if you loved George W. Bush and seemed inspired by his presidency, you were probably inspired by your high school principal.
  • hedavehedave Posts: 201
    What Obama voted for was a budget resolution that would have allowed most of the provisions of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts to expire. In particular, the resolution would allow the 25 percent tax bracket to return to its pre-2001 level of 28 percent. That bracket kicks in at $32,550 for an individual or $65,100 for a married couple. Some claim that anyone making "as little as $32,000" would be affected by the rate increase. But as people who have filled out a 1040 know, that's not actually how income taxes work.

    We don't pay taxes on our total earnings; we pay them based on our "taxable income." That means that people with a taxable income of $32,000 would have a total income greater than that. In 2008, anyone filing taxes with single status would be entitled to a standard deduction of $5,450, as well as a personal exemption of $3,500. So to have a taxable income high enough to reach the 25 percent bracket, an individual would need to earn at least $41,500 in total income, while a married couple would need a combined income of at least $83,000.

    Obama's March 2008 vote for a non-binding budget resolution that would have set general revenue and spending targets for congressional tax-writing and appropriations committees. The resolution does not contain a specific provision to raise tax rates, but rather assumes that most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire as scheduled in 2011. It also bears no relation to Obama's proposed economic plan. In fact, Obama has stated repeatedly that his plan would increase taxes only for those making more than $250,000 per year.

    Therefore, some campaigns falsely claim that Obama voted to raise income taxes on individuals earning "as little as $32,000 per year." Certainly Obama's votes indicate a willingness to raise taxes, and Obama has not been shy about saying explicitly that he will raise some taxes. I'll leave it to you to decide what you think about Obama's record and his specific proposals. But, according to the Tax Policy Center, "only the top 10 percent of earners would see increases under Obama's plan, with most of the burden falling on the top 1 percent." Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.
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  • hedavehedave Posts: 201
    Trust me, I do this ever year for people. You're rich uncle is the only one getting it in the tailpipe this year.
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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    The only way the US is going to escape defaulting on it's debt is raising taxes to an ungodly level. Obama hasn't been straight with us since he picked to say with Timmy and Benny boy. Where have you all been? You people want to bicker over party lines. It's stupid. These problems were here long before Obama took over. He's just going to be the one in charge when it all come crashing down. Stop making this a partisan issue, dems AND rep. Are to blame for this situation we are all fucked, no matter what party you are a part of.
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The only way the US is going to escape defaulting on it's debt is raising taxes to an ungodly level. Obama hasn't been straight with us since he picked to say with Timmy and Benny boy. Where have you all been? You people want to bicker over party lines. It's stupid. These problems were here long before Obama took over. He's just going to be the one in charge when it all come crashing down. Stop making this a partisan issue, dems AND rep. Are to blame for this situation we are all fucked, no matter what party you are a part of.


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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Here are some fun facts to sink your teeth into.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/presen ... us-economy

    I dont even think the government can raise taxes enough to get us out of this mess. Intrest rates need to skyrocket as well.

    Not to mention there is a 400-600 TRILLION dollar derivatives market that's all worthless funny money based on bullshit wrapped around cow shit and bet on and leveraged against multiple times over and over. People need to start waking up here. Its gonna be bad, real, real bad.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Someone responding to the post above puts its nicely here
    For some reason I feel a certain affinity towards my fellow ZH space monkeys, so I'm gonna give everyone some free advice: start inching towards the door.

    No, you don't have to sell/liquidate all your assets, move off to the boondocks and buy a farm. (Even though if you're already there, you certainly don't want to move.) Rather, you need to start making mental preparations in terms of who you can trust, what your support network may look like, how will critical resources (basic staples, medicine, etc) be acquired, stored, managed & distributed, etc. (Again, I'm assuming you've already made basic physical preparations in terms of PM, weapons, food, etc.)

    Believe it or not, the best place to start meeting people who already think along these lines are in existing community support networks: the emergency response volunteers, charitable organizations (both churches and secular NPOs), grass-roots political parties, etc.

    Denninger & Ilargi (@TAE) were/are both correct - there's gonna be millions handled by relief camps. No, not food stamps, but real, honest to doG soup lines dispensing standard 'family of four' weekly rice/bean rations and allotments. You want to be part of the management team of these types of organizations.

    Think it through. Obama was just a place keeper to assuage the voting public emotions about what happened in 2007-08. The next real leader is gonna lay out the truth, which means de-leveraging & working through the malinvestment. There is NO OTHER WAY out - it must be done in order to re-orient the economy towards a new (as yet undiscovered) growth paradigm.

    The fallout, of course, will be a cessation/restriction of many/most existing support/entitlement programs. That means kids/parents/grandparents re-forming nuclear families. That means relaxation of current prohibitions (like drugs) and release of millions of non-violent criminals. That means a return to neighborhood security & support.

    Think it through. There isn't any going back to the way "things were". It's not gonna be Mad Max, there will be no glamour, no drama, no shoot outs, no roving mobs. Just a long grind 'em out process of restoring out-of-whack balance sheets in order to measure real ROI so as to incentivize real capital investment. All real basic, mundane, facts-of-life types of shit.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I hope all of you that voted for this man are happy.

    Yes, I am, thank you. Happier than I'd be with someone else, anyway.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

    In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:

    You are aware that Obama isn't part of the GOP, right? And you can clearly read above where your very own article states that its "First Wave" is something that was enacted by the GOP, right? THEY are the ones who decided these tax cuts would end on January 1, 2011. So if you persist in trying to fault Obama for this it's going to be very hard for anyone to take you seriously as someone who actually cares about the issue vs. someone who's just trying to bash Obama regardless of the facts.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Second Wave: Obamacare

    I'll repeat: Yes, I am (relatively) happy.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes

    When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These major items include:

    The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

    Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”

    Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

    Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

    Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.

    This part is all too vague to be meaningful. So since this doesn't really say anything and there are posts in this thread that are actually providing meaningful details, I'm gonna have to believe the posts that aren't meaningless.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    The facts are Obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class and what was going to be in the healthcare bill.

    Will you please provide more specific information to demonstrate these facts? Thank you.
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    I didn't read the article, but will later. For the record, whether we've been taxed directly or not yet doesn't matter. INFLATION IS TAXATION through devaluing the currency. Anyone who argues about whether Obama, Bush, or any other president has or hasn't raised taxes, they need only ask if they have expanded the money supply with their actions.

    Congress is equally to blame.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    i started to read it and got to this bit 'There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

    The Tanning Tax. This went into effect on July 1st of this year. It imposes a new, 10% excise tax on getting a tan at a tanning salon.
    '.

    twenty new or higher taxes, and the first one mentioned is to do with getting a tan at a tanning salon?

    i kinda lost interest after that.
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    A lot of great comments have been made- Yet the person who posted this thread - refuses to accept the facts- why? Why does the right, most always, come back with crazy attacks or continue to yell out the same thing? Two or three really good comments on the tread yet, the person posting comes back with words like drones and Obama name calling.... I see that a lot... Why? Why? is it ignorance? or is it just me?
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The only way the US is going to escape defaulting on it's debt is raising taxes to an ungodly level. Obama hasn't been straight with us since he picked to say with Timmy and Benny boy. Where have you all been? You people want to bicker over party lines. It's stupid. These problems were here long before Obama took over. He's just going to be the one in charge when it all come crashing down. Stop making this a partisan issue, dems AND rep. Are to blame for this situation we are all fucked, no matter what party you are a part of.


    How do you know this?

    It's pretty simple really. We're about $11 trillion short on our tax revenue vs. our debt.
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    Shawshank wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The only way the US is going to escape defaulting on it's debt is raising taxes to an ungodly level. Obama hasn't been straight with us since he picked to say with Timmy and Benny boy. Where have you all been? You people want to bicker over party lines. It's stupid. These problems were here long before Obama took over. He's just going to be the one in charge when it all come crashing down. Stop making this a partisan issue, dems AND rep. Are to blame for this situation we are all fucked, no matter what party you are a part of.


    How do you know this?

    It's pretty simple really. We're about $11 trillion short on our tax revenue vs. our debt.

    It is not simple at all. There are other possibilities.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,381
    prfctlefts wrote:
    What am I talking about ? I just showed you. Look I don't give a shit whether you Or anyone else belives me. The facts are Obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class and what was going to be in the healthcare bill.
    But you and the rest of the Obama drones are to blind to see it or just don't care or both.

    hedave wrote:
    What are you talking about? Where did your information come from? As expected, Obama wants to cap the tax rate for itemized deductions at 28% as opposed to the taxpayer’s actual tax rate. This would result in a limited ability to deduct charitable donations, home mortgage interest and real estate taxes. Estimated savings: $291 billion over 10 years. Obama has proposed letting the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts expire for upper income households. The legislation currently on the books did not make the cuts permanent so basically, if Congress does nothing, the cuts will expire. Obama wants to allow the tax cuts to expire for high-income households, meaning $200,000 for individual taxpayers and $250,000 for those married taxpayers filing jointly. The budget suggests more or less a freeze at the 2009 levels: a $3.5 million personal exemption with a top rate of 45%. Estimated savings: $262 billion over 10 years.

    The budget also calls for a single extension of the Making Work Pay tax credit that adds a few dollars to workers’ paychecks every pay period. There’s only a one year plan in the budget but the hope is that it will be renewed every year for the next ten years. Estimated cost: $61.2 billion over 10 years.

    As part of his agenda to “rescue” the middle class, the President suggests expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit and the child-care tax credit. Estimated cost: $27.8 billion over 10 years. In the end, the budget is a 192 pages. Essentially, everything gets pushed back to 2001 levels, before Bush's massive whirlwind tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Now, if you must continue the Obama bashing instead of actually looking at the 192 page budget, which is available online, feel free. But remember, if you loved George W. Bush and seemed inspired by his presidency, you were probably inspired by your high school principal.
    umm , forgive my stupidity on this matter. How is allowing a temporary taxcut to expire' that was put in place by his predecessor and needs to be renewed or acted upon by the legislative not executive branch , Obama's fault? How is that EXACTLY his fault. Please , enlighten this dumbfuck here(meaning myself Mods). Thanks in advance.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    At least he didn't outright say, "there's no way our party will install the ____ tax" and then a month after being re-elected announced their party will start that tax.

    I'm not entirely familiar with the tax situation down there (in regards to which class really gets hit)
    but it sounds like opinion is split on who these tax hikes affect...


    ..where as where I live, everyone knows we're getting screwed.
    Our HST tax basically takes the burden off large corporations and shifts it to the working class... and everyone knows it.

    I don't know why I'm saying this... I guess maybe to compare ...a really shitty situation? I don't know...


    Fuck gordon campbell :(
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  • pjfan021pjfan021 Posts: 684
    if you're going to post information about new federal taxes i would highly suggest using information given from the govt. official website. i'll wait until jan...my taxes aren't gonna skyrocket. Most people's taxes that are getting raised are actually not raises for the most part. there's a difference between raising taxes and not renewing a tax cut (for the upper class mind you.) And the president actually has given back more so far to people in the middle class, hasn't raised taxes.
  • Shawshank wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The only way the US is going to escape defaulting on it's debt is raising taxes to an ungodly level. Obama hasn't been straight with us since he picked to say with Timmy and Benny boy. Where have you all been? You people want to bicker over party lines. It's stupid. These problems were here long before Obama took over. He's just going to be the one in charge when it all come crashing down. Stop making this a partisan issue, dems AND rep. Are to blame for this situation we are all fucked, no matter what party you are a part of.


    How do you know this?

    It's pretty simple really. We're about $11 trillion short on our tax revenue vs. our debt.

    This is THE most fundamental misunderstanding regarding our money supply and the "federal debt".

    The two are SYNONYMOUS.

    "We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon."
    -Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, 1934

    Without a Federal Debt, WE WOULD HAVE NO MONEY!

    While there are other relatively minor sources of Federal Debt in modern day political-economics, THE MONEY SUPPLY ACCOUNTS FOR, BY FAR, THE LARGEST MAJORITY OF IT.

    To misunderstand this basic concept is to misread the entire economic situation in our country and around the world.
    :(

    We CAN NOT "pay off" the national debt.
    It is absolutely idiotic to pursue this course of logic, and the FEIGNED PURSUIT OF THIS GOAL is probably THE MOST MISLEADING TACTIC engaged in by campaigning politicians.
    It is completely nonsensical and an insult of the highest order, given that these politicians (most of them) are bankrolled by or straight up former employees of the large banks that drive this policy via their pet monster, the federal reserve.

    WATCH THIS MOVIE:
    Money Masters 2: The Secrets of Oz
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
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