For those against gay marriage...
ForceofNature101
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What is your reasoning for being against it? Every single person's reason that I have spoken to purely base it on their own religious beliefs of what is right and wrong in terms of mariage.
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Godfather.
Ask people who oppose it and they say some sort of religious excuse that marriage is between a man and a women in the eyes of God.
Why not let them get married, and if God has a problem with it, let him come down and deal with it ...though you may be waiting a while.
I usually ask, in what way does it physically harm you, or disrupt your life, that you don't want two people of the same sex to get married?
They usually can't answer that...
i see your point but just because a vote is democratically won doesn't make it right ... in canada gay marriage is allowed simply because of our charter of human rights ... and this is indeed a human rights issue ... if there was a vote to deny any minority group privileges that are afforded others - it's an issue of equality, justice and fairness ... the people you are opposed to in this case are fighting for equal rights similar to those that fought for the blacks and women not so long ago ...
well see....there's supposed to be seperation of church and state..so when you have people voting on something purely based on religious reasons it kinda goes against the whole "they have a constitutional right to vote against it" not to mention voting against their right to get married also goes against the "all men are created equal" portion of what we believe in.
I not real informed on roman history but I think you might want to look at what events and social flaws led up to the fall of the roman empire, from what little I know those guys went off the charts with thing's that led them to a path of distruction. as I say not real sure but worth a look.
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I do not care one bit if gays can marry. If they want to marry, let them. It does not affect my life whatsoever. I have gay couples as neighbors, my parents do as well and are good friends with them(they throw a great neighborhood Halloween party every year
Who is it hurting?
The xenophobic.
good grief.......re-read my post, :roll:
Godfather.
I did... it clearly implies that you think gay marriage was the fall of the Roman Empire. This is a thread about gay marriage... the context of the discussion was gay marriage... then you say "you might want to look at what events and social flaws led up to the fall of the roman empire, from what little I know those guys went off the charts with thing's that led them to a path of distruction" which is incredibly ambiguous, but in this context it means that acts of homosexuality caused the fall of the Roman Empire. If that isn't what you meant, you should use the english language to clear things up rather than smugly saying that isn't what you meant.
My biggest thought is the government should stop sanctioning marriage altogether. Let that be a private thing/contract/agreement between individuals that has nothing to do with the government.
I also do not think that marriage is a "right". I believe it's a privilege.
I have not seen a compelling argument from either side either pro or against gay marriage.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But, I really don't give a shit if other people prefer to... I mean, who am I to say who gets to marry whom? No one put me in charge of the definition of marriage. If you want to have sex with that one person... forever and ever... until it kills you... er, I mean, until you die... fine. That's your gig and I hope you're happy with it. If the two of you love each other and make each other happy... why is that any of my business?
Hail, Hail!!!
But you have to give him credit on this: he was 100% correct on this point
Hail, Hail!!!
+1 but I still prefer camel toes...
So, since this was definitely going on since ever, I hardly think it had much to do with the fall of the empire. It had a damned good run as empires go, and they all "fall" at some point. I'd like to quote my history teacher at university "The question is not why the roman empire fell, but why it lasted as long as it did." And even after "the fall" of the western part in the 4-700s, the eastern part of it went on as the Byzantine empire up until the 1400s, stretching it across almost 2 millennia. In fact the empire didn't start to come apart until after christianity settled as state religion (300s). Does that mean christianity is to blame for the fall of the western empire? The wandering tribes set off by the nomadic barbarians to the east is a much more likely contributor to the collapse of the western roman empire.
The relevance in regards to allowing gay marriage in this time and age seems non-existant.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
dam...your right, some people believe that the roman empire became so powerful and complacent they became ..well a little to fat and happy and yes homosexuality and sex with young boys,partying till they puked kinda lowered their defences.
Godfather.
To which the counter argument is that the boy/homosexuality was not an invention of the late roman empire, but rather something that they inherited from the greeks before them.
As for what caused the western part of the empire to fall, it had likely a lot more to do with the huns sending entire peoples on the move as they rampaged into Europe from the east in the late 300s. At this time the capital of the empire had moved to Constantinople as well, and as I said, this part of the empire lasted a further 1000 years as the Byzantine empire.
Moral decline played a very minor role in this, and what is mentioned here was part of the culture throughout, not an addition at the end. Homosexuality didn't get such a bad rap until Christianity rose to prominence denouncing it. Before, it was a practice that although not flaunted much publicly, was quietly accepted.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
so, you admit that IS what you were saying? That homosexual acts caused the decline of the Roman Empire?
What really confuses me is this; what in the hell does gay marriage have to do with the rape of children and "partying till (you) puke"???
Are you inferring that all gay people have sex with children? That all gay people party too much and their capability to marry will cause the collapse of Western Civilization?
If so, methinks that is quite a bit of hate and ignorance piled into one post.
WOW !!thanks Dan,very cool.
Godfather.
don't over think it, nope ! just saying that homosexual acts where or might have been part of the daily sin that was going on leading up to the fall of the roman empire.
Godfather.