238 presidential scholars on Dubya

Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
edited July 2010 in A Moving Train
as if we didn't already know this was the case.....

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0701/nation ... t-history/

238 presidential scholars: Bush worst president of modern era, fifth worst in US history

It's one thing for a coterie of liberals at a late-night Washington soirée to say that George W. Bush was the worst president in their lifetimes.

It's another thing when the same is said by the nation's 238 leading presidential scholars, who have been polled annually for the last 28 years.

President Bush ranked worst among modern presidents -- and the fifth worst in history, according to the poll by the Siena Research Institute. Ranking first? President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who led the country from 1933 until his death in 1945.

President Roosevelt served four terms, the longest of any president in history. US presidents became limited to two terms after US states ratified the 22nd Amendment to the US constitution in 1951.

President Barack Obama, who hasn't yet served a full term, rated 15th.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i am definitely not surprised. i don't need 238 scholars to tell me that. just like "ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"...
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  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,349
    I wish we could have a do-over of the whole last decade when it comes to America's politics. So many disasterous decisions that Bush made that we're all paying for now.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    What exactly has Obama done to reverse some of what Bush did. We now have 2 wars going on and he has added more to the national debt in 2 yrs than Bush did in 8. He is adding to our debt at an alarming rate. More taxes of the Rich coming, rich=anyone who is gainfully employed. I even think he has spent more time on the golf course than Bush did, not that I care just commenting that the coverage is different. Huge lack of leadership in the Gulf oil spill. All we hear is what a mess this guy got from the last guy. Man up and do something. My point is Obama is no prize either and 15 is a joke.
  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    why even bring up the

    what has Obama done for us debate in this thread
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The list is kind of flawed. How does Reagan drop 2 spots since 2002 when their has only been 2 president's since and 1 is considered worst of all time and the other hasn't completed even his first term. Just wondering, not that it really matters, because I doubt in a country of 350 million that there are only 228 experts on presidents.
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Pats54 wrote:
    What exactly has Obama done to reverse some of what Bush did. We now have 2 wars going on and he has added more to the national debt in 2 yrs than Bush did in 8. He is adding to our debt at an alarming rate. More taxes of the Rich coming, rich=anyone who is gainfully employed. I even think he has spent more time on the golf course than Bush did, not that I care just commenting that the coverage is different. Huge lack of leadership in the Gulf oil spill. All we hear is what a mess this guy got from the last guy. Man up and do something. My point is Obama is no prize either and 15 is a joke.


    i am far from an obama defender but what you said is pretty misleading. the debt DID increase a lot but that's mostly because dubya didn't count the cost of the wars into the deficit, which it should be, and obama included it, so of course the deficit skyrocketed after having all that wasted $ added into it (which he is just continuing including the bombing of pakistan which displaced millions before winter).

    also, taxes are actually lower for the majority of americans under obama. but you'll get no argument from me about 'man up and do something!' like that bs health care reform that is only forcing everyone to buy health insurance saying "well, it's better than nothing! it can always be changed later!" but honestly, when will they change it? they will say give it a few years to see how it works first. they never intended to give us a public option, obama included, just like he never intended to renegotiate NAFTA or do anything about israel's illegal expansion....it's all pandering to his team's base and most of them ate it up.
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Pats54 wrote:
    More taxes of the Rich coming, rich=anyone who is gainfully employed.

    how can you say this? 95% of all americans paid less in taxes last year. there was a pretty landmark study with a survey that was posted on here 2 or 3 months ago and even the teabaggers, who have no clue about anything, admitted they paid less in taxes last year..
    and i believe obama's definition of "rich" is anyone making over $250,000, so if you are one of the 5% that makes over that good for you and i'm sorry, but it is time for you and the rest of the rich to pay your share of taxes like the rest of us.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    Pats54 wrote:
    More taxes of the Rich coming, rich=anyone who is gainfully employed.

    how can you say this? 95% of all americans paid less in taxes last year. there was a pretty landmark study with a survey that was posted on here 2 or 3 months ago and even the teabaggers, who have no clue about anything, admitted they paid less in taxes last year..
    and i believe obama's definition of "rich" is anyone making over $250,000, so if you are one of the 5% that makes over that good for you and i'm sorry, but it is time for you and the rest of the rich to pay your share of taxes like the rest of us.

    Wasn't that partly due to the Bush tax cuts that are set to expire in 2011? I didn't say current taxes I said get ready for tax increases that will be coming down the pike real soon. You can't possibly find enough revenue by taxing that 5% to pay for all of this shit. We really need some sanity in Govt. I am pissed a W and the Repubs as well. Thye spent huge amounts of money definely the the "fiscal conservative party" This is why we need term limits in DC. These friggin people who die while in office due to old age is wrong 50 yrs some of them.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    Oh yeah and all you Obama drones, who think your taxes aren't going to go up,and you think it's only going to be the rich thats going to see an increase You ain't seen nothin yet..
    Just wait, when the clock strikes 12:01am on jan 1st 2011.

    Damn when are some of you going to wake the Hell up ???? :?

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... get-a.html
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    edited July 2010
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    Oh yeah and all you Obama drones, who think your taxes aren't going to go up,and you think it's only going to be the rich thats going to see an increase You ain't seen nothin yet..
    Just wait, when the clock strikes 12:01am on jan 1st 2011.

    Damn when are some of you going to wake the Hell up ???? :?

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... get-a.html

    The article reports projected tax increases for individuals making over $250K...just like he has said all along.
    Did I miss something? A common tactic for those that have no solid basis for an argument is to claim knoweledge of supposed future events as rationale for their position. You may be right, but let's wait and see before we take your word for it.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Please stop generalizing with terms like "libs". It merely takes away from any point you attempt to make.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    Oh yeah and all you Obama drones, who think your taxes aren't going to go up,and you think it's only going to be the rich thats going to see an increase You ain't seen nothin yet..
    Just wait, when the clock strikes 12:01am on jan 1st 2011.

    Damn when are some of you going to wake the Hell up ???? :?

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... get-a.html
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    uhhh ... the poll listed FDR as the WORST president ever ... what is your point!??
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    polaris_x wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    uhhh ... the poll listed FDR as the WORST president ever ... what is your point!??
    Sorry that's what I thought too... like he's first on the list...
    Not exactly a list you want to be first on...
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    polaris_x wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    uhhh ... the poll listed FDR as the WORST president ever ... what is your point!??

    ok lets get hooked on phonics

    if bush is the worst president ever
    and fdr is first
    i don't think they mean fdr is the worst president ever

    even though he should not be near the top of that list
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Deceit
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    ed243421 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    uhhh ... the poll listed FDR as the WORST president ever ... what is your point!??

    ok lets get hooked on phonics

    if bush is the worst president ever
    and fdr is first
    i don't think they mean fdr is the worst president ever

    even though he should not be near the top of that list
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Deceit
    bush is the worst president of modern era it said...

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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    my bad

    but did you know that about pearl harbor?
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    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ed243421 wrote:
    ok lets get hooked on phonics

    if bush is the worst president ever
    and fdr is first
    i don't think they mean fdr is the worst president ever

    even though he should not be near the top of that list
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Deceit

    my bad ... i read the title and the text of the post and thought the list was in descending order starting from the worst ... so, when they listed bush as fifth - i assumed first was referring to the worst president ever ...
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You mean the FDR that rounded up the Japanese and threw them into intrenment camps. You mean that guy..
    It's funny how libs like to try and re write history. :roll:

    Oh yeah and all you Obama drones, who think your taxes aren't going to go up,and you think it's only going to be the rich thats going to see an increase You ain't seen nothin yet..
    Just wait, when the clock strikes 12:01am on jan 1st 2011.

    Damn when are some of you going to wake the Hell up ???? :?

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... get-a.html

    The article reports projected tax increases for individuals making over $250K...just like he has said all along.
    Did I miss something? A common tactic for those that have no solid basis for an argument is to claim knoweledge of supposed future events as rationale for their position. You mayne right, but let's wait and see before we take your word for it.

    Steny Hoyer has already floated the get ready for middle class tax hikes balloon. Get ready b/c it is coming. Maybe we can just print more monyer :lol: Will be nice come November when they are all thrown out of power and grid lock can retunr to DC.
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