Thoughts on the GOP’s Tactics

Stypo420

As the political right continues to paint president Obama and now Elena Kagan as liberals when in fact they are staunch centrists, please keep in mind this is nothing more then an attempt to move the country further to the right. Please look beyond the politics the people making these claims are 100% aware of what they are doing. It is the same reason the GOP has filibustered over 200 times and stands in complete opposition to the president to make him appear far more liberal then he actually is. Again in an effort to pull the country further to the right. If you are wondering what a country further to the right may be like, there is no need to look further than the Roberts Supreme Court. Who have ruled over and over again in favor of big business and to the demise of the average citizen.

I just had to share these thoughts to get them out of my mind. Please share yours as well.

marcos

It's just really ashame that the parties are so against each other and tear everything down no matter what it is. It's like two children in a school yard, and it is both sides. It's depressing because we really need to be working together in these difficult times.

Jason P

The Dems are just as guilty as using dirty tactics, subterfuge, and media spin to control the general public. Each side uses the same term to describe this accepted method for maintaining power:

"Politics"

catefrances

Jason P wrote:

The Dems are just as guilty as using dirty tactics, subterfuge, and media spin to control the general public. Each side uses the same term to describe this accepted method for maintaining power:

"Politics"

i believe the word youre looking for is politricks.

Stypo420

Jason P wrote:

The Dems are just as guilty as using dirty tactics, subterfuge, and media spin to control the general public. Each side uses the same term to describe this accepted method for maintaining power:

"Politics"

There is no doubt that Dems play "politics" too but not like the GOP lets be fair when it comes to "politics"
the GOP are the Harlem Globetrotters and the Dems are the Washington Generals. IMO the fact that the right's base will "eat there vegetables" while the Dems insist on heaving there own opinions. This is obviously a generalized view and if I where to go one step further I would pull religion in to the mix as a reason why so many right wingers accept whatever fox news tells them.

gimmesometruth27

i doubt you will get both sides of the argument in this thread, as most of the staunch lefties have been banned or no longer feel the need to post here. but i will agree, the tactics of the gop since obama took office are disgraceful. they accuse obama of trying to run the country into the ground, when it is them bringing the senate to a halt when it comes time to not only vote on something, but to even debate it. at least when the dems disagreed with bush's proposed policies they capitulated and passed nearly everything bush wanted to prevent the stalemate. the current gop lawmakers oppose all proposed legislation even when their constituents would benefit, just because passing it would seem like a victory for obama. the gop is nothing more than the grand obstructionist party, and the party of no fueled by the likes of rush, hannity, and beck and conservative radio who has something like 400% more radio outlets than progressive radio. and i for one am sick of their tactics and i am sick of the supreme court pulling the country further and further to the right. the coup de gras in my opinion was when the court granted corporations personhood, thus allowing them to control candidates and buy elections. i don't post much anymore because nothing is ever going to change. even with the white house, the house, and the senate, the dems can't do a damn thing.

Jason P

I think the very publicized arrests of 10 Russian spies plays into this "tactics" thread. This bust just happens to occur when Obama and Medvedev are meeting to rekindle US/Russian relations. I'm not saying the GOP was behind this but it appears someone has a different agenda.

Highly suspicious . . .

Stypo420

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i doubt you will get both sides of the argument in this thread, as most of the staunch lefties have been banned or no longer feel the need to post here. but i will agree, the tactics of the gop since obama took office are disgraceful. they accuse obama of trying to run the country into the ground, when it is them bringing the senate to a halt when it comes time to not only vote on something, but to even debate it. at least when the dems disagreed with bush's proposed policies they capitulated and passed nearly everything bush wanted to prevent the stalemate. the current gop lawmakers oppose all proposed legislation even when their constituents would benefit, just because passing it would seem like a victory for obama. the gop is nothing more than the grand obstructionist party, and the party of no fueled by the likes of rush, hannity, and beck and conservative radio who has something like 400% more radio outlets than progressive radio. and i for one am sick of their tactics and i am sick of the supreme court pulling the country further and further to the right. the coup de gras in my opinion was when the court granted corporations personhood, thus allowing them to control candidates and buy elections. i don't post much anymore because nothing is ever going to change. even with the white house, the house, and the senate, the dems can't do a damn thing.

Thanks for taking the time to post this I am sure it goes with out saying that I completely agree!

Yes your coup de gras is spot on I truly fear the ramifications of that decision!

arq

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i doubt you will get both sides of the argument in this thread, as most of the staunch lefties have been banned or no longer feel the need to post here. but i will agree, the tactics of the gop since obama took office are disgraceful. they accuse obama of trying to run the country into the ground, when it is them bringing the senate to a halt when it comes time to not only vote on something, but to even debate it. at least when the dems disagreed with bush's proposed policies they capitulated and passed nearly everything bush wanted to prevent the stalemate. the current gop lawmakers oppose all proposed legislation even when their constituents would benefit, just because passing it would seem like a victory for obama. the gop is nothing more than the grand obstructionist party, and the party of no fueled by the likes of rush, hannity, and beck and conservative radio who has something like 400% more radio outlets than progressive radio. and i for one am sick of their tactics and i am sick of the supreme court pulling the country further and further to the right. the coup de gras in my opinion was when the court granted corporations personhood, thus allowing them to control candidates and buy elections. i don't post much anymore because nothing is ever going to change. even with the white house, the house, and the senate, the dems can't do a damn thing.

A+ as always! I couldn't agree more!

puremagic

My question is whether there is a GOP? They are so fragmented and jumping back and forth its hard to take them serious. They have gotton so caught up in nothingness that it gets sad to watch them and even worst to respect them as leaders within this country.

gimmesometruth27

puremagic wrote:

My question is whether there is a GOP? They are so fragmented and jumping back and forth its hard to take them serious. They have gotton so caught up in nothingness that it gets sad to watch them and even worst to respect them as leaders within this country.

they are more united than the dems. no matter how fragmented they appear they are united by their opposition to obama and his policies, and when in the minority it is much easier to rally together around that opposition because the onus is on them only to stall, water down, and prevent passage of legislation rather than actually contribute or come up with good solid solutions themselves. they are stalling til the midterm elections.

Pepe Silvia

i think the GOP is just pandering to their base. they don't believe kagan is a liberal and will swing the supreme court that way, in fact joe lieberman told fox news she would actually make the supreme court more conservative.

so, all that nonsense they are spouting is just for show.

she supports the indefinite detention of SUSPECTED terrorists without a trial
she was on a goldman sachs advisory panel for a few years
as solicitor general wrote a paper defending Monsanto and their business practices
she said she "loves the federalist society" which is pretty conservative and has members like supreme court justices scalia, alito, roberts, thomas and kennedy

how could the GOP NOT like that??

they have to pretend they are against the other team for sake of appearances in this corporate duopoly

Jason P

puremagic wrote:

My question is whether there is a GOP? They are so fragmented and jumping back and forth its hard to take them serious. They have gotton so caught up in nothingness that it gets sad to watch them and even worst to respect them as leaders within this country.

I think the GOP is organized, but I think there is a power struggle going on within. I think there is a far-right element that is using fear, propaganda, and certain media personalities to drive the base to their extreme. And they are using this fear to oust party members deemed too moderate.

What frustrates me the most is how a great grassroots idea like the Tea Party was hi-jacked by far-right leaders for political gain. They saw a group of concerned conservatives and moderates and very skillfully took its direction over.

In the end, I don't think that either the far-right or far-left politics are that much different. They are both catering to separate demographics with hopes of attaining power.

Stypo420

Jason P wrote:

In the end, I don't think that either the far-right or far-left politics are that much different. They are both catering to separate demographics with hopes of attaining power.

Which is why it is so difficult to watch a centrist like Obama get painted with this broad liberal brush. If the republicans would behave more like the Democrats of the bush year’s pissy, mouthy, but at the end of the day legislators and not obstructionists at least then we could attempt to building a consensus. But the republicans rather stand in the corner holding their breath like a bratty 5 year old!

gimmesometruth27

lgoose420 wrote:

But the republicans rather stand in the corner holding their breath like a bratty 5 year old!

THANK YOU! i have been saying this on these forums for 3 years now...

mikepegg44

lgoose420 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The Dems are just as guilty as using dirty tactics, subterfuge, and media spin to control the general public. Each side uses the same term to describe this accepted method for maintaining power:

"Politics"

There is no doubt that Dems play "politics" too but not like the GOP lets be fair when it comes to "politics"
the GOP are the Harlem Globetrotters and the Dems are the Washington Generals. IMO the fact that the right's base will "eat there vegetables" while the Dems insist on heaving there own opinions. This is obviously a generalized view and if I where to go one step further I would pull religion in to the mix as a reason why so many right wingers accept whatever fox news tells them.

Being a democrat does not make you a free thinker...being a free thinker makes you that. In fact I would argue that if you consider yourself a democrat, republican, liberal or conservative you aren't a free thinker. If you take from all of those parties and other ideas as well to make your political decisions, then and only then are you a free thinker. Thinking for yourself is great, everyone should do more of it and not always try to find the position opposite the other party.
also, I liked the globetrotter analogy,


edit:

would you consider forcing a vote on a bill before any could have possibly read it all and analyzed it properly a dirty trick?

Jason P

mikepegg44 wrote:

Being a democrat does not make you a free thinker...being a free thinker makes you that. In fact I would argue that if you consider yourself a democrat, republican, liberal or conservative you aren't a free thinker. If you take from all of those parties and other ideas as well to make your political decisions, then and only then are you a free thinker. Thinking for yourself is great, everyone should do more of it and not always try to find the position opposite the other party.

Well said. I think you can identify with the aforementioned groups because they most likely share values that you consider important, but blindly following a party doctrine or platform with considering facts and different opinions is just plain insanity to me.

Stypo420

Jason P wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Being a democrat does not make you a free thinker...being a free thinker makes you that. In fact I would argue that if you consider yourself a democrat, republican, liberal or conservative you aren't a free thinker. If you take from all of those parties and other ideas as well to make your political decisions, then and only then are you a free thinker. Thinking for yourself is great, everyone should do more of it and not always try to find the position opposite the other party.

Well said. I think you can identify with the aforementioned groups because they most likely share values that you consider important, but blindly following a party doctrine or platform with considering facts and different opinions is just plain insanity to me.

I actually agree with both of you my ‘free thinker’ comment may have been a bit to righteous. Mikepeggrr I see where you are going with the no party affiliation is what makes a free thinker but I think Jason smoothes it out nicely. I completely agree you can identify with a party for many reasons which is great the problem becomes when a party starts walking in lock-step with each other never considering outside Ideas.

To my original point Obama is a centrist there is no denying that and to see the Republicans unite behind obstructing him and our government is very telling. Especially at a time where a true need for governance exsits!

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i doubt you will get both sides of the argument in this thread, as most of the staunch lefties have been banned or no longer feel the need to post here. but i will agree, the tactics of the gop since obama took office are disgraceful. they accuse obama of trying to run the country into the ground, when it is them bringing the senate to a halt when it comes time to not only vote on something, but to even debate it. at least when the dems disagreed with bush's proposed policies they capitulated and passed nearly everything bush wanted to prevent the stalemate. the current gop lawmakers oppose all proposed legislation even when their constituents would benefit, just because passing it would seem like a victory for obama. the gop is nothing more than the grand obstructionist party, and the party of no fueled by the likes of rush, hannity, and beck and conservative radio who has something like 400% more radio outlets than progressive radio. and i for one am sick of their tactics and i am sick of the supreme court pulling the country further and further to the right. the coup de gras in my opinion was when the court granted corporations personhood, thus allowing them to control candidates and buy elections. i don't post much anymore because nothing is ever going to change. even with the white house, the house, and the senate, the dems can't do a damn thing.

With all due respect gimmie I dissagree with your whole statment. For one I don't see or get what tactics you are refering to. I think one of the reasons if not the main reason why the gop is against obama's agenda is b/cos their constituents don't agree with his policies and just maybe for once they are listening to the people. Obama's aprroval rating continues to drop even with moderate dems and Independents.
As far as your comment about the airwaves. There's no market for progressive talk radio, Most americans for one do not consider themselves progressive so basically no one really listens therefor advertisers aren't going to waste their money on those types of formats. Im mean hell look at Air America I know it was on XM but it still bombed.
Now about your feelings on the supreme court. I think what you are refering to is the citizens united case.Citizens United vs The FEC

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?tit ... Commission
I don't understand how anybody who says that they support politicle free speech diaagrees with this ruling.

Also you think the SC is pulling the country more to the right ??
How so ?

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i doubt you will get both sides of the argument in this thread, as most of the staunch lefties have been banned or no longer feel the need to post here. but i will agree, the tactics of the gop since obama took office are disgraceful. they accuse obama of trying to run the country into the ground, when it is them bringing the senate to a halt when it comes time to not only vote on something, but to even debate it. at least when the dems disagreed with bush's proposed policies they capitulated and passed nearly everything bush wanted to prevent the stalemate. the current gop lawmakers oppose all proposed legislation even when their constituents would benefit, just because passing it would seem like a victory for obama. the gop is nothing more than the grand obstructionist party, and the party of no fueled by the likes of rush, hannity, and beck and conservative radio who has something like 400% more radio outlets than progressive radio. and i for one am sick of their tactics and i am sick of the supreme court pulling the country further and further to the right. the coup de gras in my opinion was when the court granted corporations personhood, thus allowing them to control candidates and buy elections. i don't post much anymore because nothing is ever going to change. even with the white house, the house, and the senate, the dems can't do a damn thing.

With all due respect gimmie I dissagree with your whole statment. For one I don't see or get what tactics you are refering to. I think one of the reasons if not the main reason why the gop is against obama's agenda is b/cos their constituents don't agree with his policies and just maybe for once they are listening to the people. Obama's aprroval rating continues to drop even with moderate dems and Independents.
As far as your comment about the airwaves. There's no market for progressive talk radio, Most americans for one do not consider themselves progressive so basically no one really listens therefor advertisers aren't going to waste their money on those types of formats. Im mean hell look at Air America I know it was on XM but it still bombed.
Now about your feelings on the supreme court. I think what you are refering to is the citizens united case.Citizens United vs The FEC

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?tit ... Commission
I don't understand how anybody who says that they support politicle free speech diaagrees with this ruling.

Also you think the SC is pulling the country more to the right ??
How so ?

you are free to disagree with me if you want to. the OP and i both stated in our post the tactics, the stalling, fillibustering, wattering down and weakening, and outright blocking of any proposed legislation. they are bringing the entire legislative branch to a halt. you have stated many times that the representatives do not listen to their constituents, why would they start since obama's election? they are united against obama. they paint him as a radical leftist when he is a centrist at best. no policy changes are much different than bush, and as a result obama's base is abandoning him and the polls you are citing are that way because obama is not living up to his promises. we thought we were getting a progressive but we got bush lite...regardless, i would take obama over mccain and palin any day. when issues are polling in the dem's favor, the gop blocks them. case in point, there was broad support for single payer health care but the gop blocked it and wattered it down into something that nobody is happy with now. are you supportive of that??

there is a market for progressive radio. most notably in the pacific northwest. in oregon and washington thom hartman kills rush and beck in the ratings. progressives are blocked in most major markets because most sponsors in those areas are big business, banks, or corporations. when the left rails against these type of businesses why would they buy ad time on those programs? that is why progressive radio fails, lack of advertising, and when corporate and conservative companies like clear channel used to own a large majority of stations progressives have no way to become affiliates of those stations. air america failed due to poor management and infighting amongst the on air personalitles. look at al franken, he was a progressive talker now he is a senator.

and my point about the supreme court?? the supreme court is the most powerful institution in our government. it has the power to strike down any law or any policy based on how the members interpret the constitution on any particular day. the supreme court right now has 4 of the most conservative justices to ever sit on the court. they can overturn any law. they essentially dictate policy. their decisions have pulled the country to the right, outlawing gun bans, siding with corporations and big business over citizens, ending state vote recounts and state disputed election policy thus awarding the presidency, who has the power to do what?? YES appoint justices to the all powerful court. had gore won the court would look very different today. and i am referring to that case. i do not believe that corporations should have the right to endorse or give millions of dollars to candidates. all it does is peddle influence, and insures that there can be no honest politicians. in your opinion is it a fair election if one candidate raises $5 million and a corporation donates $10 million to his opponent?? not only will that man get elected, he will be beholden to that corporation for the rest of his political life. if he votes against that corporations interests, even if its better for the people that he does, the corporation will jerk support from him and support his opponent. that supreme court decision was VERY very dangerous.