Educate me.....(G8 Summit)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

.....why all the protesting on the G8 summits? I honestly don't know much about it (embarassing as that is to admit), so I'd like to hear from the Moving Train experts on this.

he still stands

I'm certainly no expert, but I think it is because these countries hold the majority of the world's wealth and don't do enough (or anything) to give relief to 3rd world countries. I'd go so far as to say they caused these problems and are intensifying them as well.

It would be like the 8 richest families in your city getting together and making the decisions for the entire city population, without regard for how it will affect the poor.

... but hey, I'm not expert. Just my opinion.

haffajappa

And Canadians are pissed that Harper is pissing our money away on poor decision making surrounding the summits. I'm on the other side of the country, I don't know too much about the protests but I know that's a definite feeling regarding us hosting it.

keeponrockin

It's in a small ass town... I think it's hilarious that international news media are converging on this tiny town that basically contains nothing but whimsical shoppes.

DriftingByTheStorm

It's actually hard to find much of substance on the internet to deduce WHAT exactly is the thrust of any of these protesters, but generally it is anti-globalism, anti-imperialism, anti-exploitative economic policy, and anti-corporate-run-planet. Probably a lot of the same folks and type of folks from the WTO and World Bank protests. Some of it is environmentalism, a fair amount is anti-poverty and there are probably heaping piles of generalized rage at "the establishment", these 8 countries representing by far the overwhelming majority of the world's wealth.

The richest families in your town analogy is pretty well articulated.

I wonder if the anarchists are out yet?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

maybe I'm being naive, but I thought one of the major issues this Group of Eight have on their agenda is world poverty, is it not? and isn't it a GOOD thing that the rich are trying to tackle the problems of the poor, who they've now included in the G20?

he still stands wrote:

I'm certainly no expert, but I think it is because these countries hold the majority of the world's wealth and don't do enough (or anything) to give relief to 3rd world countries. I'd go so far as to say they caused these problems and are intensifying them as well.

It would be like the 8 richest families in your city getting together and making the decisions for the entire city population, without regard for how it will affect the poor.

... but hey, I'm not expert. Just my opinion.

he still stands

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

maybe I'm being naive, but I thought one of the major issues this Group of Eight have on their agenda is world poverty, is it not? and isn't it a GOOD thing that the rich are trying to tackle the problems of the poor, who they've now included in the G20?

he still stands wrote:

I'm certainly no expert, but I think it is because these countries hold the majority of the world's wealth and don't do enough (or anything) to give relief to 3rd world countries. I'd go so far as to say they caused these problems and are intensifying them as well.

It would be like the 8 richest families in your city getting together and making the decisions for the entire city population, without regard for how it will affect the poor.

... but hey, I'm not expert. Just my opinion.

I don't doubt that it is a slogan or a ploy that they say they're working on world poverty... but if they really wanted to fix it they'd be spending hundreds of billions of dollars on that instead of (illegitimate) wars. The problem is there is no return on that investment so it'll never be done. We have the capability to feed everyone on this earth (with ease)... for Christ's sake there is corn in freaking cat litter.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yes, agreed wholeheartedly. I understand we could feed the whole planet, but isn't the issue more of helping countries build sustainable agricultural means instead of just shipping food to them? you know, that whole "give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime" thing?

Anyway, I realize I'm being rather idealistic in this, I guess sometimes my unwillingness to believe in the outright evil of man gets the best of me.

he still stands wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

maybe I'm being naive, but I thought one of the major issues this Group of Eight have on their agenda is world poverty, is it not? and isn't it a GOOD thing that the rich are trying to tackle the problems of the poor, who they've now included in the G20?

he still stands wrote:

I'm certainly no expert, but I think it is because these countries hold the majority of the world's wealth and don't do enough (or anything) to give relief to 3rd world countries. I'd go so far as to say they caused these problems and are intensifying them as well.

It would be like the 8 richest families in your city getting together and making the decisions for the entire city population, without regard for how it will affect the poor.

... but hey, I'm not expert. Just my opinion.

I don't doubt that it is a slogan or a ploy that they say they're working on world poverty... but if they really wanted to fix it they'd be spending hundreds of billions of dollars on that instead of (illegitimate) wars. The problem is there is no return on that investment so it'll never be done. We have the capability to feed everyone on this earth (with ease)... for Christ's sake there is corn in freaking cat litter.

DriftingByTheStorm

Both of you need to realize that the elite "thinkers" at the top of this game have gone one step farther in their "logic". To them, the idea of "feeding the entire planet" is simply suicidal. Population REDUCTION is already one of their stated objectives.

I don't necessarily mean outright genocide, but pushing for heavy handed family planning initiatives is certainly not beneath them.

Anyhow, to be clear, the OVER population of the planet is STATED doctrine by these folks. This goes back as far as the Club of Rome commissioned works, "The Limits to Growth" (1972), and was revised and restated in 1992's "Beyond the Limits".

If you don't understand the connection between The Club of Rome and the G8, then you are likely misreading modern politics.

Also check out the Georgia Guidestones to see it written quite succinctly (it lists a finite population cap).

Science is not on their side (at least not with the numbers on the Guidestones), but theirs is a special kind of "science". Anyone who has ever opened a Rosicrucian textbook knows these folks are all but off their rocker.

... uh, okay. The cheese slid off their collective cracker a few centuries ago, i reckon.

Coming back to mainstream politics from the fringe (the occult world), since i know many fail to bridge the gap between the arcane schools and modern politics (or even from non-governmental think tanks like Club of Rome or Bilderberg to "legitimate" politics) here it is written again in OFFICIAL government documentation:

National Security Study Memorandum 200: World Population Growth And U.S. Security

To bring this back in to context of the G8, "poverty", and what the "establishment" is prepared to do in order to "solve" this "problem", we must understand how that problem is framed -- in THEIR terms.

Accordingly, it becomes clear from looking at their published opinions, that their view is of poverty as a SYMPTOM of a larger "problem" ... that being the problem of OVER POPULATION.

Thus, treating the symptom (poverty) becomes MUCH less of a concern than addressing the actual problem -- overpopulation.

This is not to say that lip service to humanitarian appeals will not be given, and that modest amounts of money won't be given to address the direct concerns of poverty held by the masses ...

However, the majority of foundation and institutional funding is clearly going to be tossed at ANY answer which seems to solve the POPULATION problem.

If this is even readily understood by any appreciable section of the protesting public (i some how doubt so), then it is likely to be one of the reasons for protest. I assume, however, that it is probably just generalized rage that "nothing is being done".

Anyone who thinks i am way off the mark, or have failed to accurately define this issue, feel free to comment. But i think the sources should speak largely for themselves.

Overpopulation = security concern for both the USA and the global network of developed nations.
Poverty Reduction <Important< Population Reduction

he still stands

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

yes, agreed wholeheartedly. I understand we could feed the whole planet, but isn't the issue more of helping countries build sustainable agricultural means instead of just shipping food to them? you know, that whole "give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime" thing?

Anyway, I realize I'm being rather idealistic in this, I guess sometimes my unwillingness to believe in the outright evil of man gets the best of me.

No I don't think that is idealistic at all. If you have a heart and compassion I think it is rather "normal" to want to see everyone else happy and healthy (and yourself of course). I totally agree that we must help build a sustainable agricultural economy in 3rd world countries. But... feeding hungry people and "building the economy" are not mutually exclusive. BOTH can be done. We have the resources... these people have the capability to make this happen... but it never does.

FiveB247x

Billy, I wrote this some time ago, but it describes much of the framework of the international economy through groups and organizations like the G-20, IMF, WB and similar. http://political-illusions.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-picture.html You can first understand what the goals and intents of each are, then in practice what they actually do (some of the reasons why people protest). Let me know what you think or if you have any questions... even though I do have my opinions and bias's on these matters,I can see the forest from the trees.

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

.....why all the protesting on the G8 summits? I honestly don't know much about it (embarassing as that is to admit), so I'd like to hear from the Moving Train experts on this.