South of the Border - Oliver Stone

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I went to this years final recording of the Bill Maher show and Oliver Stone was there talking about his new film "South of the Boarder" - I don't watch many of Mr. Stone's films, but after hearing him talk about it and listening to some of his views on other subjects I became very interested.

Wondering if anyone is planning on checking it out? I would especially encourage all of you right wingers to check it out.... It's suppose to be a pro-Hugo Chavez film.... God forbid, but who knows we might learn something here...

BinauralJam

The Taco Bell Story, it's about time.

Jason P

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

BinauralJam

Jason P wrote:

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

He is a dictator, but probably one of the better one's, he keeps the rich rich and the poor poor, but he's made some strides giving more to the poor then any leader the have had in the past. That country's got so much oil though every citizen should be well off.

FiveB247x

So funny... what nation does it sound like now?

KO282453 wrote:

He is a ______, but probably one of the better one's, he keeps the rich rich and the poor poor, but he's made some strides giving more to the poor then any leader the have had in the past. That country's got so much ____though every citizen should be well off.

unsung

Jason P wrote:

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

+1

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unsung wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

+1

Unsung- have you educated yourself on Chavez?
By educating I don't mean Fox News....

Check out the movie and see what it's about- I plan on viewing it- like I said before, I really haven't seen to many of his films....

BinauralJam

FiveB247x wrote:

So funny... what nation does it sound like now?

KO282453 wrote:

He is a ______, but probably one of the better one's, he keeps the rich rich and the poor poor, but he's made some strides giving more to the poor then any leader the have had in the past. That country's got so much ____though every citizen should be well off.

+1 it was an unconscious connection perhaps.

cincybearcat

tonifig8 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

+1

Unsung- have you educated yourself on Chavez?
By educating I don't mean Fox News....

Check out the movie and see what it's about- I plan on viewing it- like I said before, I really haven't seen to many of his films....

Gotta love someone talking shit about Fox news and countering with a movie by Oliver Stone.

If you hate something...

catefrances

ive been a fan of oliver stone since salvador. south of the border is a documentary so im not sure if ill be bothered. i already have my opinions on chavez and the bolivarian revolution, not to mention free market economies. and i doubt oliver stone and tariq ali can shed any more light on the topic for me. i certainly dont want to sit there for x minutes and come out nodding my head in agreeance.. cause thats what will happen.

Pepe Silvia

tonifig8 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Jason P wrote:

The only reason Stone likes Chavez is because he stood up against Bush and the evil U.S. He is blind to the fact that Chavez is a dictator. He will never leave office unless force is used (something Chavez tried once in the 80's but failed).

+1

Unsung- have you educated yourself on Chavez?
By educating I don't mean Fox News....

Check out the movie and see what it's about- I plan on viewing it- like I said before, I really haven't seen to many of his films....

from amnesty international

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/venezuela/report-2009

Attacks on journalists were widespread. Human rights defenders continued to suffer harassment. Prison conditions provoked hunger strikes in facilities across the country. Some significant steps were taken to implement the 2007 law on violence against women but there was a lack of commitment from many of the authorities responsible. Lack of arms control contributed to high levels of violence and public insecurity.

BACKGROUND

On 31 July the enabling law that empowered President Hugo Chávez Frías to pass legislation by decree on a wide range of issues including public security and institutional reform came to an end with legislative power returning in its entirety to the National Assembly. During the 18 months the law was in force, President Chávez issued a total of 66 decrees covering a wide range of issues.

A law on national intelligence and security passed by presidential decree in May was withdrawn the following month following protests against several aspects of the law, including a provision that would have obliged people to inform on each other or face prosecution.

There were reports of physical attacks on journalists, by both security forces and by civilians. Public insecurity remained an issue, with high numbers of small arms in circulation, including within the prison system.

Oswaldo Álvarez Paz was detained on 22 March after he criticized the Venezuelan government on TV. Four other outspoken critics of the government also face fabricated, politically motivated charges and two of them have been in detention for months.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS

Some advances, including the training of public prosecutors and the setting up of specialized tribunals, were reported during the year. However, some authorities with duties and responsibilities under the 2007 Law for the Right of Women to Live a Life Free from Violence – such as the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Interior and Justice and regional authorities – failed to fulfil their obligations. At the end of the year there were still no shelters in most of the country and insufficient training had been put in place to enable police officers to implement the law effectively. In addition, perpetrators in cases preceding the 2007 law continued to enjoy impunity for their crimes.

HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS

Government officials attempted to undermine legitimate human rights work by making unfounded accusations against human rights organizations.

Local human rights activists supporting the Yukpa Indigenous community who were involved in a dispute with local landowners over land rights in Machiques in the State of Zulia were harassed and detained in August. An official investigation was initiated following the death in July of the elderly father of Sabino Romero Izarra, one of the community leaders; he was allegedly beaten to death by armed men.

In September, two senior officials of the international NGO Human Rights Watch were expelled from the country following the launch of a report criticizing the government’s human rights record.

Human rights defender José Luis Urbano was repeatedly threatened because of his work as President of the Foundation for the Defence of the Right to Education (Fundación Pro-Defensa del Derecho a la Educación). In May, the director of a school where he had exposed irregularities threatened him and called for him to be attacked. Also in May he received anonymous death threats by telephone. In September, state police tried to break into his sister’s home, shouting threats against her brother. It is believed this was in reprisal for José Luis Urbano having reported harassment from a member of the same police force. Although the threats were reported to the authorities, it was not known if any investigations had been initiated by the end of the year.



The Attorney General’s Office announced that it would create a designated investigation team in 2009 to look into more than 6,000 reported cases of extrajudicial executions in which people were killed in confrontations with police between 2000 and 2007.


from reports from the past 2 years

IMPUNITY, INTIMIDATION AND HARASSMENT

Human rights violations, including torture, extrajudicial executions and enforced disappearances perpetrated by members of the security forces remained unpunished.

• In July the bodies of eight people, including two children, were found on a ranch in the villages of La Victoria and El Nula in Alto Apure region, on the border with Colombia. Their hands were tied and they had been shot and their bodies burned. Witness accounts and initial evidence obtained by the police indicated that several members of the military had been involved in the killings. Despite this, only one member of the military was charged and tried for this crime. Human rights organizations alleged that this was part of a wider pattern of human rights violations by the same military unit against rural communities in Apure state.

• Melquiades Villaroel was threatened in February after a judge sentenced five police officers to 25 years' imprisonment for the killing of her son Rafael Moreno Villaroel and two others, including a child, in El Tigre, Anzoátegui state, in March 2001.

• There were concerns for the safety of the Mendoza family in Araure, Portuguesa state, following a shooting at their house in March. The Mendoza family had taken part in the trial of 11 police officers accused of the killing of seven people, including three members of their family.

arq

I'm from Venezuela, and anyone who talks in favor of Chavez must have some mental problems or just plain greedy (ie mr Oliver), there's nothing that mr. Oliver can say that could change my mind, Chavez is just an assasin a thug and a coward. When Chavez stood up against the USA was (normally) for the wrong reasons, and he just did it to grab some attention because he's a prima donna.

blackredyellow

KO282453 wrote:

The Taco Bell Story, it's about time.

No, it's about that junk store at the NC/SC border... Anyone who has driven up the Eastern coast has been there or seen signs for it

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2211

Jason P

Politics aside, these are my impressions on his films that I have seen:

JFK – Great film with lots of big names

Platoon – Good film w/ cheesy acting (Charlie Sheen was involved so what do you expect)

Born on the 4th of July – Kind of a bummer

The Doors – Great movie with an amazing performance by Jim Morrison, er I mean Val Kilmer.

Any Given Sunday – Very strange movie; this was the defining transition for Al Pacino to turn into his character from Scent of a Woman in real life (Who-ahh!!) . . . and that wasn’t a good thing!

Alexander – Too fucking long! And Colin Farrell is a douche

BinauralJam

blackredyellow wrote:

KO282453 wrote:

The Taco Bell Story, it's about time.

No, it's about that junk store at the NC/SC border... Anyone who has driven up the Eastern coast has been there or seen signs for it

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2211

Oui, forget it, i can care less if it's not about a huge chain.

Pepe Silvia

Jason P wrote:

The Doors – Great movie with an amazing performance by Jim Morrison, er I mean Val Kilmer.

except he changed far too much....combined characters, had some doing actions different people did, completely changed events....

overall for a movie it was really great, as a document of the band it was pure shite.

unsung

Ray Manzarek has pretty much said he would like to strangle Oliver Stone, he also said Val Kilmer was spot on.

Pepe Silvia

i think i read john densmore was pretty disappointed too, but i did read in somewhere that ray had helped originally and answered a lot of stone's questions, it must have sucked to have been so helpful and then see things totally twisted around


like a small thing in it that always irked me was the ed sullivan performance of light my fire, jim didn't sing the 'get much higher' part like the movie had him do it, he sang it as it was written, not some big flamboyant act

norm

Pepe Silvia wrote:

i think i read john densmore was pretty disappointed too, but i did read in somewhere that ray had helped originally and answered a lot of stone's questions, it must have sucked to have been so helpful and then see things totally twisted around


like a small thing in it that always irked me was the ed sullivan performance of light my fire, jim didn't sing the 'get much higher' part like the movie had him do it, he sang it as it was written, not some big flamboyant act

there are so many things wrong with the 'jim morrison' movie, first one having stone direct it...and yeah, stone used densmore's book 'riders on the storm'...used being a vague term for what stone produced from it :roll:

but val did a helluva job as jim

Pepe Silvia

norm wrote:

there are so many things wrong with the 'jim morrison' movie, first one having stone direct it...and yeah, stone used densmore's book 'riders on the storm'...used being a vague term for what stone produced from it :roll:

but val did a helluva job as jim

that he did!

catefrances

Pepe Silvia wrote:

i think i read john densmore was pretty disappointed too, but i did read in somewhere that ray had helped originally and answered a lot of stone's questions, it must have sucked to have been so helpful and then see things totally twisted around


like a small thing in it that always irked me was the ed sullivan performance of light my fire, jim didn't sing the 'get much higher' part like the movie had him do it, he sang it as it was written, not some big flamboyant act

clearly you have no sense of the dramatic. :P