Kyl:Obama holding border 'hostage'

Boxes&Books · June 2010

This should get interesting.......
Why didn't Republicans secure the board when they were in power?
Where was the tea party rallies? Where was all the outspoken conservatives? Where was Ariel, Godfather, and Unsung? Does anyone remember?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html

The White House on Monday denied Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl’s claim that President Barack Obama told him privately that he would not work to secure the border unless it was part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.

In a video that started circulating among conservative blogs over the weekend, the Arizona Republican is seen telling supporters in North Phoenix that in a private meeting in the Oval Office, Obama said “the problem” with border enforcement measures is that “if we secure the border then [Republicans] won’t have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform.”

Kyl said the president’s supposed statement is proof that Democrats “don’t want to secure the border unless or until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform.”

But in a statement to POLITICO, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer denied Kyl’s account of the conversation, saying “the president didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it.”

“There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system,” Pfeiffer said.

Kyl has been one of the most outspoken critics of the president on immigration reform and has before accused Democrats of holding up border security in order to keep it as a chip to negotiate for broader reform.

Later in the video, Kyl says the reason the federal government has not secured the border is that Democrats “don’t want to do it.”

“They want to get something in return for doing their duty,” the Arizona Republican said. “You don’t have to have comprehensive reform to secure the border, but you have to secure the border to get comprehensive reform.”

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Boxes&Books · June 2010

Lou Dobbs will be a guest on Megyn Kelly today - Fox News... should be good...

marcos · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Lou Dobbs will be a guest on Megyn Kelly today - Fox News... should be good...

I love Megyn Kelly, the smartest political commentator ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

unsung · June 2010

Any word on when the National Guard will be leaving Iraq and actually guarding the US?

Btw Bush was a pro amnesty nutjob too. That's why nothing got done although the fence was being constructed during his watch.

aerial · June 2010

I did not hear about this till now...never heard about it while "Republicans were in power."

blackredyellow · June 2010

now, who knows what their conversation was, so I'm not sure who to believe...

but... isn't securing our borders (whatever the hell that means), without being part of comprehensive immigration reform pretty much like throwing money away?

Let's not do anything about he demand for illegal workers, or do anything for/about the ones in this country already, but lets dump billions and billions of dollars into a fence and more security. Until you do something to address the demand, it's like paying someone a billion dollars to stick their finger in the dike.

It reminds me of the war on drugs in the 80's... let's jack up prison sentences and fines, spend millions on raids, but don't do much to help get people off of drugs to curb the demand.

mikepegg44 · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

This should get interesting.......
Why didn't Republicans secure the board when they were in power?
Where was the tea party rallies? Where was all the outspoken conservatives? Where was Ariel, Godfather, and Unsung? Does anyone remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXjMvUy5ak
I am not a huge fan of the minute men by any means, but they were there. There was all kinds of discussion by pundits for years regarding immigration. You might just not have been paying attention until recently. The law in AZ and the uproar it has brought the immigration debate back to the main stage. But it has always been there.

*edit

Just realized I forgot to answer the question about why they didn't do anything about it, it is the same as why they haven't for years...votes.

markin ball · June 2010

The border will be "open" as long as business interests control Washington. That is all there is to it, folks. The border is open so big corporate agraculture can save a few bucks on labor, that is it. And as long as the food industry is throwing campaign money at the politicians, this will never be resolved. It has nothing to do with anything else. Also food prices will not necessarily go up if they hired Americans. That is another red herring, fear based ploy. The market will bear what the market will bear and big agraculture may just make less profit. This is not a republican/democrat/independent/liberal/conservative issue. It is just like anything else...it is about money. We don't need no fence or National Gaurdsmen stationed every 20 feet along the border. All we have to do is crack down on the businesses that hire illegals and...voila!

cincybearcat · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

This should get interesting.......
Why didn't Republicans secure the board when they were in power?

I get the point of the question. I just wonder why in the hell no one has done anything with this for so long, repubs, dems, girlscouts, whoever.

cincybearcat · June 2010

blackredyellow wrote:

now, who knows what their conversation was, so I'm not sure who to believe...

but... isn't securing our borders (whatever the hell that means), without being part of comprehensive immigration reform pretty much like throwing money away?

Let's not do anything about he demand for illegal workers, or do anything for/about the ones in this country already, but lets dump billions and billions of dollars into a fence and more security. Until you do something to address the demand, it's like paying someone a billion dollars to stick their finger in the dike.

It reminds me of the war on drugs in the 80's... let's jack up prison sentences and fines, spend millions on raids, but don't do much to help get people off of drugs to curb the demand.

Well, I would think you'd have to have a short-term plan in place while working on the long-term plan.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

mikepegg44 wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

This should get interesting.......
Why didn't Republicans secure the board when they were in power?
Where was the tea party rallies? Where was all the outspoken conservatives? Where was Ariel, Godfather, and Unsung? Does anyone remember?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXjMvUy5ak
I am not a huge fan of the minute men by any means, but they were there. There was all kinds of discussion by pundits for years regarding immigration. You might just not have been paying attention until recently. The law in AZ and the uproar it has caused has brought the immigration debate back to the main stage. But it has always been there.

Godfather. · June 2010

danger Will Robinson danger !!!! run..run like the wind,this topic has no happy ending...

Godfather.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

unsung wrote:

Any word on when the National Guard will be leaving Iraq and actually guarding the US?

Btw Bush was a pro amnesty nutjob too. That's why nothing got done although the fence was being constructed during his watch.

Bush being pro amnesty (just like many other republicans were) - has nothing to do with securing the boarder.... What happen?
They rather spend 9+billion a month on Iraq....and have over 3000 of our young adults die in vain....
Now I understand how you can blame Obama for everything....

Godfather. · June 2010

not to mention it's been hashed out and rolled over to a no win situation, the borders are there and legal same as they have been for years the only thing illegal are the people that cross with out the proper paper work so now what ?.....it's o.k ? we all know where that went...

Godfather.

Boxes&Books · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

danger Will Robinson danger !!!! run..run like the wind,this topic has no happy ending...

Godfather.

I do see an ending, but like the hard core right wingers - you aren't willing to negotiate or use common sense.....

Pepe Silvia · June 2010

unsung wrote:

Any word on when the National Guard will be leaving Iraq and actually guarding the US?

Btw Bush was a pro amnesty nutjob too. That's why nothing got done although the fence was being constructed during his watch.

didn't bush only build a small portion of the fence then they stopped?

Boxes&Books · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

not to mention it's been hashed out and rolled over to a no win situation, the borders are there and legal same as they have been for years the only thing illegal are the people that cross with out the proper paper work so now what ?.....it's o.k ? we all know where that went...

Godfather.

Godfather,
call your representative and tell him/her you want the USA to gather up a million buses, and you want those buses filled up with illegal immigrants; Let's haul them all back to Mexico'.... Come on we can all jump on horses and round them up like cattle....

that should work...

Godfather. · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

not to mention it's been hashed out and rolled over to a no win situation, the borders are there and legal same as they have been for years the only thing illegal are the people that cross with out the proper paper work so now what ?.....it's o.k ? we all know where that went...

Godfather.

Godfather,
call your representative and tell him/her you want the USA to gather up a million buses, and you want those buses filled up with illegal immigrants; Let's haul them all back to Mexico'.... Come on we can all jump on horses and round them up like cattle....

that should work...

it don't have to be done in one day

and there ya go more taxpayer money spent on something that we shouldn't have too

Godfather.

Godfather. · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

danger Will Robinson danger !!!! run..run like the wind,this topic has no happy ending...

Godfather.

I do see an ending, but like the hard core right wingers - you aren't willing to negotiate or use common sense.....

well then mexico must be full of em(hard core right wingers), I would love to own some beach property down in baja but the best we can do is a lease that ain't worth the paper it's printed on when the mexican government desides to change their rules and kick out all the Americans..... am I wrong ?

here's a old saying that I didn't make up.."what's good for the goose is good for the gander"

Godfather.

blackredyellow · June 2010

cincybearcat wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

now, who knows what their conversation was, so I'm not sure who to believe...

but... isn't securing our borders (whatever the hell that means), without being part of comprehensive immigration reform pretty much like throwing money away?

Let's not do anything about he demand for illegal workers, or do anything for/about the ones in this country already, but lets dump billions and billions of dollars into a fence and more security. Until you do something to address the demand, it's like paying someone a billion dollars to stick their finger in the dike.

It reminds me of the war on drugs in the 80's... let's jack up prison sentences and fines, spend millions on raids, but don't do much to help get people off of drugs to curb the demand.

Well, I would think you'd have to have a short-term plan in place while working on the long-term plan.

I agree, but isn't that essentially what Kyl is arguing against?

unsung · June 2010

tonifig8 wrote:

Bush being pro amnesty (just like many other republicans were) - has nothing to do with securing the boarder.... What happen?
They rather spend 9+billion a month on Iraq....and have over 3000 of our young adults die in vain....
Now I understand how you can blame Obama for everything....

Actually newbie I was probably more against Bush than I am against Obama. I will also educate you and say I am against being in Iraq. Get your facts before trying to be slick.

Kyl:Obama holding border 'hostage'

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