So basically you're saying it's a choice people make, and if that's the case, please let us all know when you decided to be heterosexual. Obviously things like attraction and instincts are developed when you're a child, so at what age did you decide to be straight? Also please describe what made you come to your decision in this choice.
it's not a lifestyle, Godfather, it's biology, a biology the church has rejected because they fear it.
I respectfully disagree. Homosexual is something that one person becomes in her/his life, nobody was born homosexual. If I remember well, the church - at least in my country - has said "come as you are".
I am an heterosexual all my life. I like girls from the day I was born. I cannot say what happens in a homosexual mind. Everyone is free to be whatever she/he wants. Although, I'm with Godfather in this one:"I'm not judging anybody for their being gay,as far as I'm concerned it is what is..I just don't agree with it but that's my business,I'm not here to tell anybody they should not be gay that is their business".
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Ok not to be rude, but I'm calling you out. That's idiotic to think you made some conscious decision about a topic you had absolutely no clue about. Whether you fully believe a person is born gay or develops tendencies and makes a choice of some sort, the experiences between birth to eight develop a child's social and interpersonal skills and are then carried into development between the ages of 8 to 12 in which a child has the cognitive recognition of these feelings and emotions. Some of it may be conscious, most of it is unconscious. But in any respect, to say you made such a decision between this time frame and knew what you were doing, thinking or saying is ridiculous. Think about yourself at the age between 8-12 yrs old...
I am an heterosexual all my life. I like girls from the day I was born. I cannot say what happens in a homosexual mind. Everyone is free to be whatever she/he wants. Although, I'm with Godfather in this one:"I'm not judging anybody for their being gay,as far as I'm concerned it is what is..I just don't agree with it but that's my business,I'm not here to tell anybody they should not be gay that is their business".
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Ok not to be rude, but I'm calling you out. That's idiotic to think you made some conscious decision about a topic you had absolutely no clue about. Whether you fully believe a person is born gay or develops tendencies and makes a choice of some sort, the experiences between birth to eight develop a child's social and interpersonal skills and are then carried into development between the ages of 8 to 12 in which a child has the cognitive recognition of these feelings and emotions. Some of it may be conscious, most of it is unconscious. But in any respect, to say you made such a decision between this time frame and knew what you were doing, thinking or saying is ridiculous. Think about yourself at the age between 8-12 yrs old...
I am an heterosexual all my life. I like girls from the day I was born. I cannot say what happens in a homosexual mind. Everyone is free to be whatever she/he wants. Although, I'm with Godfather in this one:"I'm not judging anybody for their being gay,as far as I'm concerned it is what is..I just don't agree with it but that's my business,I'm not here to tell anybody they should not be gay that is their business".
what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
To make some type of comment as your below is very unenlightened and irresponsible. Such a generalization is no better than believing racist wide sweeping statements.
what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
wow, godfather, I'm frankly appalled that you would make such a blanket ignorant statement as this. it's quite disgusting, actually. this is the usual statement made by a bigot who is completely uneducated on the subject and is only blindly following teachings of the ideology that they subscribe to, instead of researching it for themselves.
just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
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to find labels to assign others making it easier to dismiss them and their argument without having to deal with the pesky facts of the argument....like calling threads about israel's violations of the geneva conventions, un resolutions and international law 'anti-israel' and 'spam' when posted in a forum for politics and current events
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: "Gay gene"...
Exactly Godfather! You are in my mind! And Billy, you are not any kind of judge to characterise a person more experienced than you "uneducated". Your views, make you the real "uneducated", to my eyes. Well, Five in order not to think that I am "uneducated", I will tell you what I know about this topic. I also believe that homosexuals are the most sorrowful persons in the world (e.g they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative, the worst experiences between birth to eight etc.). In addition, I know that every human being - male or female - has both kind of hormones (male hormones & female hormones). In some cases, a man's female hormones can prevail his male hormones later in his life and vice versa. I want to say this last word and to end this discussion here. Every person is free to be whatever she/he wants, as long as he/she doesn't insult or provoke the other human beings and impact the other persons' life in a negative and deadly way. The end.
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what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: "Gay gene"...
Exactly Godfather! You are in my mind! And Billy, you are not any kind of judge to characterise a person more experienced than you "uneducated". Your views, make you the real "uneducated", to my eyes. Well, Five in order not to think that I am "uneducated", I will tell you what I know about this topic. I also believe that homosexuals are the most sorrowful persons in the world (e.g they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative, the worst experiences between birth to eight etc.). In addition, I know that every human being - male or female - has both kind of hormones (male hormones & female hormones). In some cases, a man's female hormones can prevail his male hormones later in his life and vice versa. I want to say this last word and to end this discussion here. Every person is free to be whatever she/he wants, as long as he/she doesn't insult or provoke the other human beings and impact the other persons' life in a negative and deadly way. The end.
weird, none of the gay people I know went through a traumatic experience...
what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: "Gay gene"...
Exactly Godfather! You are in my mind! And Billy, you are not any kind of judge to characterise a person more experienced than you "uneducated". Your views, make you the real "uneducated", to my eyes. Well, Five in order not to think that I am "uneducated", I will tell you what I know about this topic. I also believe that homosexuals are the most sorrowful persons in the world (e.g they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative, the worst experiences between birth to eight etc.). In addition, I know that every human being - male or female - has both kind of hormones (male hormones & female hormones). In some cases, a man's female hormones can prevail his male hormones later in his life and vice versa. I want to say this last word and to end this discussion here. Every person is free to be whatever she/he wants, as long as he/she doesn't insult or provoke the other human beings and impact the other persons' life in a negative and deadly way. The end.
weird, none of the gay people I know went through a traumatic experience...
So basically you're saying it's a choice people make, and if that's the case, please let us all know when you decided to be heterosexual. Obviously things like attraction and instincts are developed when you're a child, so at what age did you decide to be straight? Also please describe what made you come to your decision in this choice.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
wow, godfather, I'm frankly appalled that you would make such a blanket ignorant statement as this. it's quite disgusting, actually. this is the usual statement made by a bigot who is completely uneducated on the subject and is only blindly following teachings of the ideology that they subscribe to, instead of researching it for themselves.
just for thought; every gay person I have talked with male and female all said that they suffered some kind of trauma in their young lives mostly rape or molested by a relative and I have wondered if that triggered anything for them.
Godfather.
didn't mean to offend anyone,it was a thought based on my limited experience in talking to gay people(men and women) it was just a question and not my opinion as I have said I don't know, why are people so sensitive
on this subject you just called me a bigot and ignorant with no real basis for your comment, can you or anyone else explain with out negative attacks or simple opinion why some people are gay and others not ? that was the reason for my joke "the gay gene" and as far as I know there is no such thing but if I am wrong please prove it to me and if you can not it's no big deal to me cause we all make our own decisions in life... and no I'm not saying that being gay is a decision,like I said I don't know.
Well no offense to you sir, but the decisions of a 16 year old are not very legitimate, which is why we consider them to be children/minors and not adults. As a society we believe or facilitate the notion that anyone below the age of 18 isn't capable of making decisions on their own as they do not see the full ramifications of their choices do to lack of education, experience and similar. So to say you or anyone made a decision or a choice is nonsense.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Well no offense to you sir, but the decisions of a 16 year old are not very legitimate, which is why we consider them to be children/minors and not adults. As a society we believe or facilitate the notion that anyone below the age of 18 isn't capable of making decisions on their own as they do not see the full ramifications of their choices do to lack of education, experience and similar. So to say you or anyone made a decision or a choice is nonsense.
Well no offense to you sir, but the decisions of a 16 year old are not very legitimate, which is why we consider them to be children/minors and not adults. As a society we believe or facilitate the notion that anyone below the age of 18 isn't capable of making decisions on their own as they do not see the full ramifications of their choices do to lack of education, experience and similar. So to say you or anyone made a decision or a choice is nonsense.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
I love how you mock Billy or my responses, yet your entire logic and rational for why people are gay is complete and utter nonsense. It's no different from saying I've seen or experienced some lazy Mexicans, so they must all be that way. I've seen or experienced some Jews who are good with money, so they must all be that way. I've seen or experienced minorities on welfare, so they must all be that way. Nothing but a casual way to discriminate and hold racist/uneducated thoughts and beliefs as legitimate. And I really love when people use religion as a way to do this... bunch of hypocrites. Jesus was in a broken home (no father), we should outlaw marriage as it is not was intended. Ridiculous. :roll:
And in regards to your comment about educating about being gay, I never claimed as much. I merely said children don't have the presence of mind to understand their decisions - whether big or small. Whether it's regarding school or sex or making a life long decision like being gay or straight... to say otherwise is merely to delude yourself into thinking you made a choice when in fact you did not.
Well no offense to you sir, but the decisions of a 16 year old are not very legitimate, which is why we consider them to be children/minors and not adults. As a society we believe or facilitate the notion that anyone below the age of 18 isn't capable of making decisions on their own as they do not see the full ramifications of their choices do to lack of education, experience and similar. So to say you or anyone made a decision or a choice is nonsense.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
homosexuality occurs in nature, showing that it is naturaly occurring through different species other than humans. Check out the Bonobo ape (relitive of humans). Maybe being gay is human natures way of population control?
Well no offense to you sir, but the decisions of a 16 year old are not very legitimate, which is why we consider them to be children/minors and not adults. As a society we believe or facilitate the notion that anyone below the age of 18 isn't capable of making decisions on their own as they do not see the full ramifications of their choices do to lack of education, experience and similar. So to say you or anyone made a decision or a choice is nonsense.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.
Is everybody always so serious on this board. I was having a joke. For fucks sake get a life.
What seemed like an obvious joke to you, may not read or be received the same by others, so perhaps keep that in mind? No reason to be a dick about it.
I decided I was definitely going to be hetrosexual when I was 16 and met Julie. It was the only way to go.
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your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.[/quote]
Is everybody always so serious on this board. I was having a joke. For fucks sake get a life.[/quote]
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
What seemed like an obvious joke to you, may not read or be received the same by others, so perhaps keep that in mind? No reason to be a dick about it.
Perhaps you should get back to the original title of this thread. and lighten up a bit.
This is a message board and I merely reply to what's being discussed. If you think I'm too harsh or something, don't read or reply. Not a hard concept. Good day sir.
What seemed like an obvious joke to you, may not read or be received the same by others, so perhaps keep that in mind? No reason to be a dick about it.
Perhaps you should get back to the original title of this thread. and lighten up a bit.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.
In regards to the whole "choice" thing I never remember making one, I just always liked women I never had to make a choice. So if we follow logic that means homosexuals don't make a choice either it is simply a disposition.
Think about it godfather how much time did you take to make a choice? And remember making a choice means considering options. So how long did you consider being gay and making love to men? You would have had to in order to make a “choice”! I for one am glad I didn’t have to consider those things as it was already determined.
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I am an heterosexual all my life. I like girls from the day I was born. I cannot say what happens in a homosexual mind. Everyone is free to be whatever she/he wants. Although, I'm with Godfather in this one:"I'm not judging anybody for their being gay,as far as I'm concerned it is what is..I just don't agree with it but that's my business,I'm not here to tell anybody they should not be gay that is their business".
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
what..did a doctor find the "gay gene" in a dna test
Godfather.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
to find labels to assign others making it easier to dismiss them and their argument without having to deal with the pesky facts of the argument....like calling threads about israel's violations of the geneva conventions, un resolutions and international law 'anti-israel' and 'spam' when posted in a forum for politics and current events
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Exactly Godfather! You are in my mind!
Ps... how'd this thread turn into a homosexual debate?
didn't mean to offend anyone,it was a thought based on my limited experience in talking to gay people(men and women) it was just a question and not my opinion as I have said I don't know, why are people so sensitive
on this subject you just called me a bigot and ignorant with no real basis for your comment, can you or anyone else explain with out negative attacks or simple opinion why some people are gay and others not ? that was the reason for my joke "the gay gene" and as far as I know there is no such thing but if I am wrong please prove it to me and if you can not it's no big deal to me cause we all make our own decisions in life... and no I'm not saying that being gay is a decision,like I said I don't know.
Godfather
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Is our species ultimate goal to all be gay or to all be straight?
Personally, I think our species ultimate goal is just to get laid. And frankly, it's every species ultimate goal.
I loved the bit "do to lack of education" Excellent!!!!
PS. Julie still looks horny to this day.
Our species ultimate goal is really 'if it moves shag it.' Ask Tiger
your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.
And in regards to your comment about educating about being gay, I never claimed as much. I merely said children don't have the presence of mind to understand their decisions - whether big or small. Whether it's regarding school or sex or making a life long decision like being gay or straight... to say otherwise is merely to delude yourself into thinking you made a choice when in fact you did not.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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your opinion or fact ? and how do get educated in "gay", nobody has shown proof positive fact that being gay is not a choice, not that I have seen here.
Godfather.[/quote]
Is everybody always so serious on this board. I was having a joke. For fucks sake get a life.[/quote]
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Yes. It hasn't all been figured out yet, but there is scientific evidence to suggest that genetics plays an important role in homosexuality.
In regards to the whole "choice" thing I never remember making one, I just always liked women I never had to make a choice. So if we follow logic that means homosexuals don't make a choice either it is simply a disposition.
Think about it godfather how much time did you take to make a choice? And remember making a choice means considering options. So how long did you consider being gay and making love to men? You would have had to in order to make a “choice”! I for one am glad I didn’t have to consider those things as it was already determined.
Yes, way too often too serious. Especially since we are solving the words problems on a band's messageboard. Just think how silly that sounds.
It good fun debate, but sometimes people forget about the fun, and by "sometimes" I mean almost always.