Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

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Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals
By ADAM KLAWONN / PHOENIX Adam Klawonn / Phoenix Sat Jun 12, 10:00 am ET

"Anchor babies" isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots - the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. - for their next move.

Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop. (See the battle for Arizona: will a border crackdown work?)

But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB 1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the "anchor" and leave. (See pictures of the Great Wall of America.)

The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create - and it's creating it now - a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB 1070 from taking affect, place a three-year moratorium on all related laws - including the anchor baby bill - to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.

Both sides expect the anchor baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be OK," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB 1070, which Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100612/u ... 9uYTM5c25l


Now I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I just can't see how this will ever hold up. How can a state basically decide who gets citizenship and who doesn't?

This law just seems wrong on so many levels...
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    It wouldn't surprise me if this laws started to spread through the country... while the nation has some real problems, the war is against the weak and helpless :(
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    While I agree with the desired result I don't agree with the way it is being done. There should be an Amendment, not a law that is a workaround.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung wrote:
    While I agree with the desired result I don't agree with the way it is being done. There should be an Amendment, not a law that is a workaround.

    amendment ? like what ?

    Godfather.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Now this might be a misprint, and Time's description might not be correct, but according to the article, Arizona won't issue birth certificates to babies born to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens.

    If that is correct, and they didn't mean legal U.S. residents, then wow... double wow... If parents are living working in this country legally for years but not naturalized citizens, then AZ still won't issue a birth certificate? That crosses the line from being anti-illegal immigrant, to just anti-immigrant (and most likely just anti-hispanic).

    Gotta wonder if this would be enforced to babies of other nationalities/races...
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    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Now this might be a misprint, and Time's description might not be correct, but according to the article, Arizona won't issue birth certificates to babies born to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens.

    If that is correct, and they didn't mean legal U.S. residents, then wow... double wow... If parents are living working in this country legally for years but not naturalized citizens, then AZ still won't issue a birth certificate? That crosses the line from being anti-illegal immigrant, to just anti-immigrant (and most likely just anti-hispanic).

    Gotta wonder if this would be enforced to babies of other nationalities/races...

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I have an old saying I just made up,,,"everything we have done in the past has brought us to this point in our lives" and in this case I think the people of the US have finally had enough of being asked to cater to foreigners that keep pushing their way into the US and throwing it into our faces..game up ! time to clear the board so to speak and I am not superised..well maybe a little,I didn't think someone (state) would grow the hair to start the ball rolling on this.. least of all Az. so I'm good with it.

    Godfather,
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Now this might be a misprint, and Time's description might not be correct, but according to the article, Arizona won't issue birth certificates to babies born to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens.

    If that is correct, and they didn't mean legal U.S. residents, then wow... double wow... If parents are living working in this country legally for years but not naturalized citizens, then AZ still won't issue a birth certificate? That crosses the line from being anti-illegal immigrant, to just anti-immigrant (and most likely just anti-hispanic).

    Gotta wonder if this would be enforced to babies of other nationalities/races...

    If you're white, you're alright. If your brown, outta town !

    Americans are all colors man com'on.

    Godfather.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    It was tongue in cheek.
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    while i agree with the other law, this one doesn't stand a chance
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL...that is all that needs to be said. It won't even make it out of congress in Arizona much less get signed into law.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    I have an old saying I just made up,,,"everything we have done in the past has brought us to this point in our lives" and in this case I think the people of the US have finally had enough of being asked to cater to foreigners that keep pushing their way into the US and throwing it into our faces..game up ! time to clear the board so to speak and I am not superised..well maybe a little,I didn't think someone (state) would grow the hair to start the ball rolling on this.. least of all Az. so I'm good with it.

    Godfather,

    how can your saying be old if you just made it up?

    in any case - these laws should not be suprising ... when the shit hits the fan - easiest thing to do is blame others ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I have an old saying I just made up,,,"everything we have done in the past has brought us to this point in our lives" and in this case I think the people of the US have finally had enough of being asked to cater to foreigners that keep pushing their way into the US and throwing it into our faces..game up ! time to clear the board so to speak and I am not superised..well maybe a little,I didn't think someone (state) would grow the hair to start the ball rolling on this.. least of all Az. so I'm good with it.

    Godfather,

    how can your saying be old if you just made it up?

    in any case - these laws should not be suprising ... when the shit hits the fan - easiest thing to do is blame others ...

    I have a lot of old sayings that I just make up :D

    Godfather.
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  • Stypo420Stypo420 Posts: 519
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL...that is all that needs to be said. It won't even make it out of congress in Arizona much less get signed into law.

    +1
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    lgoose420 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL...that is all that needs to be said. It won't even make it out of congress in Arizona much less get signed into law.

    +1

    Yep. They shouldn't even bother continuing. 14 Amendment is pretty clear when it says ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens regardless of what that asshole senator thinks. It doesn't matter if your parents are legal, illegal, here on temporary visas or whatever. You are born on US soil you are a US citizen. Can they not read?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    THE CONSTITUTION ......comes in pretty handy unless it works against you...don't it,

    Godfather.
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