Will PJ play Arizona in the current political climate?
Bentleyspop
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Suppose there is a tour before the current political hot button issues are properly dealt with in Arizona...anyone think PJ would play there?
I hope not and I think not
discuss.......
I hope not and I think not
discuss.......
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Why would any fan hope that Pearl Jam would not play somewhere?? Not everyone is lucky enough to travel you know. :roll:
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I figure if PJ doesn't want to play the 5th largest city in the country (Phoenix) then they must have a reason for it other than immigration. :roll:
I guess if I had my choice, I'd rather see them play Alpine!
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Haven't they played Philly quite a few times over the last 4-5 years?
They don't play Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Atlanta, etc...
size of the city obviously doesn't matter to PJ.
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Exactly! I would have never gone to MSG I and II this year if they had visited AZ this year. Thank you, thank you, thank you 10C!!
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and other than opening for Tom (yawn) Petty they dont come to Denver either!
To the liberals out there: Arizona's immigration law is so dangerous because it gives so much power--with no oversight mind you--to individual police officers to make decisions to arrest or detain based on what is often nothing more than skin color, appearance, or racial biases. Its not that I don't trust individual cops to always do the right thing, but when it comes to racial profiling and cops, history has taught me otherwise.
To the conservatives out there: Arizona's immigration law is so dangerous because it only expands the power of the state (you hate that, remember?), and essentially volunteers local AZ police officers to do the federal government's job (enforcing immigration laws)! Coming from a conservative governor, I found it particularly interesting that while most conservatives profess to hate the expansion of federal power, AZ's governor embraced it by volunteering AZ police officers to provide additional enforcement of federal regulations. Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave...
Unfortunately, we live in a nation where truly the only vote that counts is the vote you cast with your dollars. I certainly hope, for only this reason mind you, that PJ decides to play elsewhere until Arizona's immigration law is done away with. Sorry guys. Justice first.
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I totally agree with you
No one should go to or spend money in Arizona except maybe in a National park and/or at hispanic businesses
Arizona is an inherently racist state and should be treated as such with a financial boycott for as long as it takes
You are right. Arizona shouldnt be allowed to deal with an illegal immigration problem that is crippling the state. They should just deal with the people who enter the country illegally and not pay taxes. They are completely wrong for listening to the wishes of their citizens who have to deal with the thousands of illegals who are in their state. The nerve of those people who actually go thru the legal process of entering the country legally, they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Well, until Arizona stops being a huge tourism draw for millions of people every year, that won't happen.
People will talk of boycotting AZ, but it's such a small, tiny percentage of people who weren't going to come here in the first place.
I'm against the immigration law, but the whole idea of a state boycott will never work. Even if all the liberals in the country actually formed some serious pact to boycott the state, there still is a huge percentage of people who come here who don't share that view. Keep in mind, the majority of the country supports the law...
Anyways, this thread should probably go on The Train.
I hope they come, but I realize they probably won't.
Then again...who knows!?! Wouldn't be the first time PJ went against what we all thought they stood for...
I agree! How dare Arizona enforce the laws of this country, and try to protect legal citizens of this country from illegal immigrants. Kudos to the LA Mayor for putting illegal immigrants (who by definition are broke the law by coming here) ahead of legal Arizona Citizens. In fact, we should give anyone who walks in to this country free health care. I know it says somewhere towards the back of the constitution that it is a right for some people to get free healthcare at the expense of others.
It will be awesome when LA boycotts all things made in Arizona, including electricity. I hope LA likes rolling blackouts!
And water. About 30% of their water comes from AZ.
You couldn't be missing the point more. What role does AZ have in enforcing federal laws? Further, its not about whether or not AZ should be able to address the issues or problems it faces, its about how it should be able to go about addressing those issues. The truly scary implications of this law -- for both liberals and conservatives -- is enough to warrant its repeal or rejection.
From the liberal side of things: do you really believe that allowing individual officers to decide who they should demand immigration papers from will not lead to rampant racial profiling?
From the conservative side of things: aside from the US tax code, federal immigration regulations are the most broad, complex and most invasive examples of state power. How does this law not offend every good conservative's notion of small/limited government and personal responsibility? In other words, why is strict immigration regulation OK, but the US tax code (according to the TEA party) not OK? Since when do conservatives wish to take on a Constitutionally-mandated federal power?
The one part of the law that might make sense is, ironically, the regulations that address employers of undocumented workers. Anyone in AZ who believes that illegal immigration is "crippling the state" needs to stop shopping at retailers that employ undocumented workers, needs to stop buying from major service industry chains (i.e. restaurants, hotels, product retailers etc.). This is America; if its profitable to grind kittens into a soft drink, there is a company that will do it. If its profitable to employ undocumented workers (which, by the way, it is) because you can pay sh*t wages, give no benefits and avoid taxes on your workers, then there are companies that will do it.
The way to stop illegal immigration? Make it unprofitable. But this law simply makes racial profiling OK while essentially volunteering Arizona to do the federal government's job.
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this law was passed because the fed govt wasnt doing it's job in protecting the borders. It obviously has become such a problem that Arizona had to take such drastic measures. Racial profiling is wrong, but unfortunately it works and is cost effective. I live on Long island and I could tell you exactly where to go and you would find 30 illegals any given day looking for work. This law enables police to go to these "hot spots" and ask for proper identification, something they are allowed to do by law. Next time a police officer asks you for id , tell him no and see what happens. you dont have the right to conceal your identity if law enforcement asks for it. This is not a new law really, just it is being enforced now.
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Bleh... if you guys want to talk politics go there, please!
And whatever you think I find it so funny how the same people that hate when we tell other countries what to do are fine telling Arizona what they should be doing with the problems they face that almost no other states deal with in the same manner.
great point !
it would be like kansas telling NY how to run it's subway system.
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I think Kansas needs needs a subway system.
Uh, not quite. Arizona, unlike foreign countries, belong to a constitutional system as part of the United States. As such, Arizona is obligated to pass constitutional laws. So yeah...its really not the same thing.
On an unrelated note, I hope your name refers to Sean "Slug" Daley of Atmosphere! My hometown!
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exactly, and our country has a process for people who want to come and live here. Arizona's proximity to the border creates a huge problem for them. Since the fed govt cant/wont address the issue of border control, Arizona is being forced to take a stand on it's own , or until the fed govt can do it's job.
and again, since when is it against the law for a police officer to ask for ID ?
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But more importantly, this thread was started in the PJ MUSIC forum with the 100% sole intention of starting a political debate. the PJ part of it is completely useless to this thread... its all hypothetical and this thread was posted to try and make a point about Arizona.
It doesn't belong here and its annoying that people post this off-topic crap and try to use some hypothetical or longshot PJ connection to make it seem like there's a real point to it being here.