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US Rabbi calls on Israel to kill Palestinian 'women, children and cattle'
Hasidic Jewish Rabbi Manis Friedman, from St. Paul, Minnesota, has issued a statement that Israel should destroy Palestinian holy sites and kill civilians in what he calls “the Jewish way” to fight a “moral war”.
The statement was printed in response to the question :
“How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” in the May/June edition of the Jewish magazine 'Moment', in a section titled 'Ask the Rabbis'.
The magazine printed responses from nine different rabbis, each representing a different school of Jewish thought. The rabbis surveyed included Independent, Humanist, Reform, Modern Orthodox, Renewal, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Sephardic and Chabad.
Rabbi Friedman represented the Chabad section of the article. His full statement was as follows:
“I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).”
“The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East. First, the Arabs will stop using children as shields. Second, they will stop taking hostages knowing that we will not be intimidated. Third, with their holy sites destroyed, they will stop believing that G-d is on their side. Result: no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of righteousness, in fact, no war.”“Zero tolerance for stone throwing, for rockets, for kidnapping will mean that the state has achieved sovereignty. Living by Torah values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a disastrous morality of human invention.”
Friedman's statement was countered by that of Rabbi Fred Schindler Dodd, from Maryland, who said in his response to the question “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” by saying, “My least-proud-to-be-Jewish moment was witnessing hundreds of kippah-clad Jerusalem protesters chant, mavet l’Aravim (“death to Arabs”). But acts of reconciliation and coexistence, proud moments, abound, too. May we tip the scales toward coexistence, justice and peace for all who inhabit the Holy Land and this holy Earth.”
US Rabbi calls on Israel to kill Palestinian 'women, children and cattle'
Hasidic Jewish Rabbi Manis Friedman, from St. Paul, Minnesota, has issued a statement that Israel should destroy Palestinian holy sites and kill civilians in what he calls “the Jewish way” to fight a “moral war”.
The statement was printed in response to the question :
“How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” in the May/June edition of the Jewish magazine 'Moment', in a section titled 'Ask the Rabbis'.
The magazine printed responses from nine different rabbis, each representing a different school of Jewish thought. The rabbis surveyed included Independent, Humanist, Reform, Modern Orthodox, Renewal, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Sephardic and Chabad.
Rabbi Friedman represented the Chabad section of the article. His full statement was as follows:
“I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).”
“The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East. First, the Arabs will stop using children as shields. Second, they will stop taking hostages knowing that we will not be intimidated. Third, with their holy sites destroyed, they will stop believing that G-d is on their side. Result: no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of righteousness, in fact, no war.”“Zero tolerance for stone throwing, for rockets, for kidnapping will mean that the state has achieved sovereignty. Living by Torah values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a disastrous morality of human invention.”
Friedman's statement was countered by that of Rabbi Fred Schindler Dodd, from Maryland, who said in his response to the question “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” by saying, “My least-proud-to-be-Jewish moment was witnessing hundreds of kippah-clad Jerusalem protesters chant, mavet l’Aravim (“death to Arabs”). But acts of reconciliation and coexistence, proud moments, abound, too. May we tip the scales toward coexistence, justice and peace for all who inhabit the Holy Land and this holy Earth.”
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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"the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)." We've seen that in action.
Rabbi Weiss "We Cry and We Pray for the People of Palestine and Gaza!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZOFnbYdlk
we need more rabbi dodd's
Yep, I agree. This is crazy talk. The only difference...thankfully...is that a US Rabbi doesn't have nearly the influence that a Muslim cleric in the Mideast has. Maybe that is why it is worse when a Muslim Cleric (from the Mideast) says stuff like this because they actually have control of the people and "governments" over there. But, either way, this is scary, crazy talk.
What do you base this assumption on?
Hmmmm....well, if it was a muslim cleric in the US and not in the mideast I would think his influence would be about the same as a rabbi in the US.
I'm basing it off of reality in the mideast that muslim clerics are the true leaders in many areas. Do you disagree?
I may be wrong that a US based religious leader has less influence and effect on the people in Israel or Muslim countries, but that's what I think. The distance is one assumption I'm basing it off of I guess then.
For some strange reason, crying for blood over political cartoons disturbs me. Must be "latent racism", right?
Not really sure what that has to do with this story but I'll play along and agree with you. My point is there are some people that have a double standard according to which religion/religious figure is currently showing their ignorance.
Dude, YOU brought up Muslims, not me ....
his point still stands, if a muslim cleric in the us had said these things of christians, jews or non muslims people in the us would be going crazy and want him deported or something
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
And justifyably so ... Do you want nutbar extremists in your neighbourhood, Jewish or otherwise? I agree there's a double standard in North America ... And an even worse one in the Middle East that works in the other direction. I guess we can safely conclude that everyone is kinda fucked up.
First of all, I said that I thought what the rabbi said was crazy talk and people would be more upset about it if he were a muslim cleric. Do you disagree with that?
Also, I said...Muslim Clerics in the middle east have a lot of power over the people. Is that wrong?
I also am assuming, and I admit I could be wrong, that a religious leader actually in the area of conflict would have more influence than a religious leader in the US or other country...is that wrong?
I was giving my opinion on one potentially valid reason for some to let this comment from a US based rabbi slide while holding Muslim clerics in the middle east accountable. I didn't say I agreed with it anywhere either, just one possible reason.
Do you read what is written or just who posted it? Dislike me so much that you have to disagree with me even when I think we probably have the same opinion on this subject matter? Man, you and Byrnzie are driving me nuts.
Welcome to my world ...
You mean basing it 'on', not basing it 'off of'.
Anyway, you may be right, but then again you could be wrong.
I try my best. :P
You're right, I may be wrong.
he only drives you nuts cause you allow it.
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True enough.
do you understand that though depicting any image of mohammed isnt forbidden in the quran doing so is extremely offensive to millions of them especially when it is done by non muslims and in a derogatory manner as it usually is??
but no youre not a racist cause islam isnt a race.
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I do understand that, and I would exercise a personal choice not to deliberately disrespect people's faith. If you are suggesting that other people depicting a religious figure justifies cries for blood, then we must respectfully disagree. There are all kinds of religious taboos in all faiths, and violating them does not typically get used as an excuse for violence, at least not in this day and age.
im not justifying it. i would never justify anything religious. im just explaining why they feel the way they do no matter how abhorrent it is to others. and its not ALL muslims... but like everything its the ones making the most noise that are heard.
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And yet I dnt see you condeming the rabbid rabbi's remarks.....but Muslims crying out for blood you jump in on.
Dude, do you hate Muslims? Seriouslly, I'm just wondering. I mean it's ok to have hate, I'd respect you a lot more if you'd just come out and say it. Look, I even made a comment towards you without name calling... I'm getting better reborn.....
No, I don't hate Muslims as an entire group. I find the subset who advocate violence against non-believers to be loathsome, though. The ones who throw acid on schoolgirls, the ones who set up shop in North America and Europe to preach hate and extremism. People continue to debate just how extensive this faction is, and truth be told, I have no idea. I want to believe that its tiny. The Muslims I know personally are peaceful people, to all outside observers, and I have no problems with them. Again, I didn't bring up Muslims in this thread. And yes, thanks for the lack of name-calling. Saying things like "its OK to hate" still has a bit of a tone to it, though. Is that your belief, or are you just trying to find more subtle ways of starting a flamewar?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Well, if you're serious about avoiding that sort of thing, I am more than happy to reciprocate. I actually agree with the gist of a lot of your points. You're one of the people who can at least recognize that no one religious or ethnic group has a monopoly on jagoffs, and I respect your ability to see that.
What's a jagoff? :think: