Westboro Baptist Church
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:x Ok so I guess I have been in a coma or something for quite a while because until this week I have never heard of these guys. Have any of you heard of this group/church whatever you wanna call them ? Here in Tennessee I recently watched a story on the local news about this church. They go around and protest at fallen soliders funerals with signs that say God Hates Fags & saying the soldiers death was the wrath of god due to the fact that America lets gays in the military. WTF !!!!!!?? The also hold American flags & pictures of our flag upside down. Who would do such a thing ?! I dont care what you believe, going to a fallen soldiers funerial and saying & doing these things are unbelieably cruel & WAY out of line!!! I understand people have the right to their opinion & all but this is freaking crazy. Am I living in the Twilight Zone or does anyone out there agree ? Tha fact that these people call themself a church & say they are Christians makes me sick. I hope I never come face to face with any of these people for I have no idea what I may do or say and most likely would end up in jail. There are two things in this world that are infinate, the universe and human stupidity......Im not quite sure about the universe Albert Einstein
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Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan
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Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan
don't do anything...these are very damaged people looking for attention...they turn everyone's stomach but fighting them only gives them fuel to continue their bullshit
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Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and another
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
They should write children books
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I guess your right, its just really hard to stomach ya know ?
My daddy did 3 tours in Vietnam. I also have several cousins and friends in Iraq now & I just cant even imagine.
What would possess someone to act this way ? Its awful !
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Thanks for your help. I really appraciate it. I guess Norm is right. I just need to take a deep breath, let it go & direct my energy & attention back to doing what I do. runforthefallen.org to hell with these bigots !! I suddenly feel the urge to take ten showers !! haha
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
Ned Dolan
i can't imagine there's much debate......i'd hope that everyone here thinks that group of people are complete tools.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Hopefully, this helps unify everyone!
A common enemy is the easiest way to to bring us together
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
It started with one man who successfully brainwashed tools, who then procreated and raised their own breed of tools. Its hard to believe anything else when you've been tought since a baby to hate "in the name of God" and have a sign shoved in your hand.
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"By the court making this decision, they're not only telling me that they're taking their side, but I have to pay them money to do this to more soldiers and their families," said Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in action in Iraq in 2006.
Members of the fundamentalist church based in Topeka, Kansas, appeared outside Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster, Maryland, carrying signs reading "You're going to hell," "God hates you" and "Thank God for dead soldiers."
Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.
Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps and the attorney representing the church in its appeals, also said the money that the church receives from Snyder will be used to finance demonstrations. But she also said that the order was a consequence of his decision to sue the church over the demonstration.
"Mr. Snyder and his attorneys have engaged the legal system; there are some rules to that legal engagement," said Phelps, a member of Westboro who says she has participated in more than 150 protests of military funerals.
"They wanted to shut down the picketing so now they're going to finance it," she said.
The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents.
In a motion filed in October, Snyder's lawyer, who is representing him for free, asked the court to dismiss the bill of costs, or, alternatively, reduce the 50-cent fee per page or charge Snyder only for copies that were necessary to make their arguments on appeal.
"We objected based upon ability to pay and the fairness of the situation," Sean Summers said.
The mostly pro-forma ruling is the latest chapter in an ongoing legal saga that pits privacy rights of grieving families against the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message.
Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.
Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.
"The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said. "Although reasonable people may disagree about the appropriateness of the Phelps' protest, this conduct simply does not satisfy the heavy burden required for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress under Maryland law."
The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case to address issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased.
The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.
Both Phelps and Snyder's attorney said they were surprised that the 4th District chose to weigh in on the issue of legal costs when they could have waited until after the Supreme Court hearing.
Phelps believes the ruling bodes well for her side.
"It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said.
Phelps anticipated that a Supreme Court ruling in the church's favor would be unpopular, but she said Westboro's members viewed the potential outcome in Biblical terms.
"When the Supreme Court unanimously upholds the 4th Circuit, it's going to put this country in a rage, and we will be expelled," she said. "But whenever it was time for an epic event in the Bible, the thing that happened right before is the prophets were removed from the land, and that's what's going to happen to us. ... We're going to sprint to the end of this race."
Snyder claims he is unable to pay any legal costs in the case and is attempting to raise funds on his son's site, http://www.matthewsnyder.org/. He is equally optimistic that he will prevail before the Supreme Court.
"The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope. I think most of the country is on my side on this issue," he said. "Too many people have died to protect our rights and freedoms to have them degraded and spit upon like this church does."
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Yeah, it fuel their BS financially, too. They fund their trips around the nation by suing people who attack them or breach their rights. They protested my high school, pretty deliberately trying to draw some revenue from it. I'm happy to say they got no satisfaction.
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it sure is wrong though....if my son was killed in war and I had to witness this I'm not sure how I would deal with it
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