HeidiJam's input on women's rights

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edited May 2010 in A Moving Train
HeidiJam wrote:
As for Women's rights, Its probably best to start a new thread but I would love to give you my input.

Here you go. We're all ears (eyes)!
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Well what's your questions...
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    HeidiJam wrote:
    As for Women's rights, Its probably best to start a new thread but I would love to give you my input.
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Well what's your questions...


    ha ha... well based on the above quote... im kind of curious... what's your input? you started! :P
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Yah i would love to give my input, but give me a starting point. The is a very broad topic.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Women make less then men in america.
    But... I have never met a woman who has the same job title (in the same company) as a man and makes less.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Yah i would love to give my input, but give me a starting point. The is a very broad topic.
    ...
    Well... for starters... how come you refer to women as 'Broads'?
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    haha, I think you know what I meant. very clever though.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Women make less then men in america.
    But... I have never met a woman who has the same job title (in the same company) as a man and makes less.

    The idea that women make less then men in the working world is kind of a statistical myth. I think it comes up if you compare the average salary of every man in the workforce with the average salary of every woman in the work force. Except the salary for men is skewed since for one thing a guy in his 40's or 50's working will probably have more experience than a woman of the same age since a woman would more likely have taken a bunch of years off earlier in her life to have babies and raise children. Experience means more money. Plus men are more likely to take more dangerous jobs like say working on deep sea fishing boats.

    The reality is if it was the case that women working the same jobs as men were being paid less, there would be all kinds of companies with nothing but women working for them, since if you were a boss why would you ever hire a man if you could hire a woman for the same job and pay her less?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    haha, i was about to type what was in your last paragraph, very good point. Women tend to stick to certin jobs and avoid the physical labor ones. Not all before i get attacked, but I rarley see any women in construction.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    women generally dont ask for as much as men in salary negotiations. you'd be suprised how much you can make if you just asked for it.
  • _
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    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Women make less then men in america.
    But... I have never met a woman who has the same job title (in the same company) as a man and makes less.

    The idea that women make less then men in the working world is kind of a statistical myth. I think it comes up if you compare the average salary of every man in the workforce with the average salary of every woman in the work force. Except the salary for men is skewed since for one thing a guy in his 40's or 50's working will probably have more experience than a woman of the same age since a woman would more likely have taken a bunch of years off earlier in her life to have babies and raise children. Experience means more money. Plus men are more likely to take more dangerous jobs like say working on deep sea fishing boats.

    The reality is if it was the case that women working the same jobs as men were being paid less, there would be all kinds of companies with nothing but women working for them, since if you were a boss why would you ever hire a man if you could hire a woman for the same job and pay her less?

    Source, please?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    scb wrote:
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Women make less then men in america.
    But... I have never met a woman who has the same job title (in the same company) as a man and makes less.

    The idea that women make less then men in the working world is kind of a statistical myth. I think it comes up if you compare the average salary of every man in the workforce with the average salary of every woman in the work force. Except the salary for men is skewed since for one thing a guy in his 40's or 50's working will probably have more experience than a woman of the same age since a woman would more likely have taken a bunch of years off earlier in her life to have babies and raise children. Experience means more money. Plus men are more likely to take more dangerous jobs like say working on deep sea fishing boats.

    The reality is if it was the case that women working the same jobs as men were being paid less, there would be all kinds of companies with nothing but women working for them, since if you were a boss why would you ever hire a man if you could hire a woman for the same job and pay her less?


    Source, please?
    http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/comment ... /index.htm
    Anymore brain busters?

    Excerpt - It doesn't compare those with equal work, equal training, equal education or equal tenure. Nor does it take into account the hours of overtime worked
  • _
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    HeidiJam wrote:
    http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/comment ... /index.htm
    Anymore brain busters?

    Excerpt - It doesn't compare those with equal work, equal training, equal education or equal tenure. Nor does it take into account the hours of overtime worked

    Did you read the whole article?? Where it goes on and on about the gender discrimination that exists in the workforce??
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    scb wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/comment ... /index.htm
    Anymore brain busters?

    Excerpt - It doesn't compare those with equal work, equal training, equal education or equal tenure. Nor does it take into account the hours of overtime worked

    Did you read the whole article?? Where it goes on and on about the gender discrimination that exists in the workforce??


    It's pretty apparent that women are still discriminated against in many ways in the work force in SOME comapines and industires. The more progressive compaines have gone too far on the other end of the spectrum, imo.....but as a whole it would be impossible to say things are currently equal.
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  • _
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty apparent that women are still discriminated against in many ways in the work force in SOME comapines and industires. The more progressive compaines have gone too far on the other end of the spectrum, imo.....but as a whole it would be impossible to say things are currently equal.

    I'm curious about what you mean when you say some companies have gone too far.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    perhaps its old fasioned and sexist, but the reality is, in my part of the country at least, men are still expected to pay most if not all expenses in a family even if both parents work. supporting the family, paying for dates, gifts etc. there is a far larger stigma attached to men who dont earn enough that women dont have to worry about. i think men are under more pressure to make more, so they seek it out more than women.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    scb wrote:
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Women make less then men in america.
    But... I have never met a woman who has the same job title (in the same company) as a man and makes less.

    The idea that women make less then men in the working world is kind of a statistical myth. I think it comes up if you compare the average salary of every man in the workforce with the average salary of every woman in the work force. Except the salary for men is skewed since for one thing a guy in his 40's or 50's working will probably have more experience than a woman of the same age since a woman would more likely have taken a bunch of years off earlier in her life to have babies and raise children. Experience means more money. Plus men are more likely to take more dangerous jobs like say working on deep sea fishing boats.

    The reality is if it was the case that women working the same jobs as men were being paid less, there would be all kinds of companies with nothing but women working for them, since if you were a boss why would you ever hire a man if you could hire a woman for the same job and pay her less?

    Source, please?


    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1

    And even if there was some discrimination of women in the workforce, it is not like women are some tiny minotirty like some ethnic groups. In the USA and in Canada there are actually more women than men. So women are actually the majority, so shouldn't they be able to do something about it?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    scb wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty apparent that women are still discriminated against in many ways in the work force in SOME comapines and industires. The more progressive compaines have gone too far on the other end of the spectrum, imo.....but as a whole it would be impossible to say things are currently equal.

    I'm curious about what you mean when you say some companies have gone too far.


    Women only conferences, women only groups, setting up career sponsors for women only...all of this and doing nothing for the new hire male workforce.

    I think it ridiculous to separate them out...if it's good information to share, etc it should be for all.

    EDIT: Bottom line, I hate when they separate people into categories based upon sex, or ethnic background. I think instead of improving diversity it creates animosity. They should work on leveraging diversity by including all, not keeping them all separate.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    EDIT: Bottom line, I hate when they separate people into categories based upon sex, or ethnic background. I think instead of improving diversity it creates animosity. They should work on leveraging diversity by including all, not keeping them all separate.

    that is fine if there was no discrimination nor prejudice in society ... but the reality is that there is ... and often these programs are aimed to fight against those issues ...
  • _
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    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    scb wrote:

    Source, please?


    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1

    And even if there was some discrimination of women in the workforce, it is not like women are some tiny minotirty like some ethnic groups. In the USA and in Canada there are actually more women than men. So women are actually the majority, so shouldn't they be able to do something about it?

    I didn't read the post that started this conversation in the other thread, but I believe that was part of the point - that power dynamics are such that some groups are discriminated against even when they are not the minority (and that this is systemic rather than being merely a reflection of the laziness of the whole group).

    What exactly do you propose we do about it? And are you suggesting that it should be easy to change the system? Or that it's therefore women's fault that the status quo remains? Or that this is an issue that shouldn't concern men?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    EDIT: Bottom line, I hate when they separate people into categories based upon sex, or ethnic background. I think instead of improving diversity it creates animosity. They should work on leveraging diversity by including all, not keeping them all separate.

    that is fine if there was no discrimination nor prejudice in society ... but the reality is that there is ... and often these programs are aimed to fight against those issues ...


    I get it...this is an easier topic to talk about then write about. Call me. ;)

    I'm talking about within certain companies...not society as a whole.
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