Some Live PJ songs are too short sometimes

djonesrdjonesr Posts: 73
edited May 2009 in The Porch
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you go to a PJ show and wind up seeing 7 25-minute songs! And I've heard extended versions of certain songs that provide these elements over the years, but they shoud do that more!

I can see a song like Marker in the Sand going into a musical interulude prior to the last verse, and extending the end to have a real keyboards solo followed by a ripping guitar solo, and maybe even go back into the last chorus to end the song. It's a new song so maybe it will develop more Live over time.

Given to Fly is another example where various live version can go into different musical directions between versuses sometimes.

Well, there are LOTS of examples I could give. It just seems sometimes that a song ends when it's in the middle of a groove. If your groovin', keep on groovin' !

I'd really like to see more of that.

And more keyboards too! Anytime anyone asks about keyboard solos, there is only one song they get pointed too, what's up with that? It's almost like a statement PJ is making about what Rock and Roll is all about (electric guitars!)
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  • xkevvxxkevvx Posts: 348
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.
  • deadhead321deadhead321 Posts: 66
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  • gndcd402gndcd402 Posts: 2,567
    xkevvx wrote:
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.

    couldn't agree with you more on RVM. porch can get kinda annoying too but daughter and crazy mary are incredible! how can one not like boom and mike trading parts in crazy mary?!
  • webberf1webberf1 Posts: 160
    the extended part on RVM is awesome. Stfu.
  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    i love anything extended by tha jam
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    xkevvx wrote:
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.

    you're crazy. That long ass period of noise is the only thing interesting about RVM anymore.

    It used to be one of my favorite songs, but it's gotten kind of stale .... except for the extended jam part.
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    djonesr wrote:
    I can see a song like Marker in the Sand going into a musical interulude prior to the last verse, and extending the end to have a real keyboards solo followed by a ripping guitar solo, and maybe even go back into the last chorus to end the song. It's a new song so maybe it will develop more Live over time.

    I have always felt like that about Severed Hand since the first time I heard it. I always get the feeling that they should just repeat the chorus one more time, and have a little outro, and end it. I don't know, just feels cut off a little prematurely to me.
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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    yosi wrote:
    I have always felt like that about Severed Hand since the first time I heard it. I always get the feeling that they should just repeat the chorus one more time, and have a little outro, and end it. I don't know, just feels cut off a little prematurely to me.

    Severed Hand is too short live purely for the reason that they play it WAY too up tempo...often, it's playing time is 30 seconds shorter live. They just fly way too fast through it.

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  • djonesrdjonesr Posts: 73
    thats what makes Pearl Jam Pearl Jam and The Grateful Dead the Grateful Dead.....

    I was thinking kind of like more Led Zeppelin style extendo than psychedelic GD style. Just keep a groove going longer, as apposed to exploring the univese through the music.
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,303
    There are definitely some song that they should seriously jam to. I'm not saying become Phish, but some songs would be killer if they extended them...had a little back and forth between Mike and Stone...and I'm not talking the "see how many notes I can squeeze into a 1 minute solo" kinda thing, but just extend it a bit.

    Granted the solos are generally different every time, but I'd like to hear some more bluesy/jazz-type soloing from Mike and Stone where they feed off of each other. Now it's like "well here comes Mikes part" -Mike plays for a couple of minutes...song over.
  • willtupperwilltupper Posts: 70
    This is actually a brilliant idea.

    I will smoke-signal Boom later tonight, and suggest it.

    In fact, I would rather just see two 87.5 minute songs.

    Like, do "Alive" as their A-side. Take a break, come back and do "Given to Fly."

    And then, goodnight!

    GREAT idea for a concert. I'm not even joking. I'm totally in love with this idea.

    And then they'll do an encore that'll last 14 years.

    Boom'll go crazy!
    djonesr wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you go to a PJ show and wind up seeing 7 25-minute songs!
  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Severed Hand is too short live purely for the reason that they play it WAY too up tempo...often, it's playing time is 30 seconds shorter live. They just fly way too fast through it.

    Its not that the song is faster live that I'm talking about, cause that doesn't really bother me. I just think that it would sound more complete with one more run through the chorus.
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  • 3inputchick3inputchick Posts: 845
    I want to hear as many songs as possible....
    I love RVM and I loved each time they do something different with it, at the same time I'm thinking "if we speed this up we might be able to get Light Years and maybe a Footsteps in the set list"

    On the other hand if Ed would shut the hell up, and refrain from his drunk ramblings we might be able to listen to lots of songs with long plays!!!

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  • 3inputchick3inputchick Posts: 845
    xkevvx wrote:
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.
    I cant believe you admitted to sitting... these people on this thing get insane with the sitters!
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  • yosi wrote:
    I have always felt like that about Severed Hand since the first time I heard it. I don't know, just feels cut off a little prematurely to me.

    Same here, after hearing the song on the album, I thought for sure this would become an extended jam song, esp. because it has a similar feel to Porch.
    Severed Hand is too short live purely for the reason that they play it WAY too up tempo...

    It does seem like they haul ass thru it quite a bit...
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  • heyjoseheyjose Melbourne, Australia Posts: 503
    RVM just doesn't feel right to me without the lengthy jam (it's kick ass to play along with on the guitar).. but some have, of course, been better than others. I do like the direction it took last year with the descending bassline and Ed singing "I will forget..".

    I don't remember ever feeling the need to sit down though. :D
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  • hiding103006hiding103006 Posts: 452
    i can't believe people are upset with songs that have become a steady factor in pearl jam shows. you know your going to get RVM or porch or maybe even both. i haven't seen any 30 minute shows lately, so take what you get and enjoy it! some songs are left out a lot because they don't want to play them all the time, and when you do get one its special. if they played footsteps or thin air or light years or low light all the time, pretty soon you'll be saying your sick of them next!
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  • TheLuckyOnesTheLuckyOnes Posts: 472
    Just gotta show my love for RVM's jam section. I used to love it in the early days as sort of a intense cool-off (if that makes sense) before they revved up for the end. But i love it way more now. It blew my head of when they played it in '03 (Detroit nite 2, great scattered noise, that M. Cameron let play some extremely jazzy rythyms underneath, slowing the whole thing up, in a good way), but this tour was much stronger. They sorta took the experimentation of '03 but added DRIVE. They spaced it out to almost 11 mins. but just tore thru it. (i'm going off of GrandRapids, and Detroit). At the Detroit show, my wife, who's a small fan, was just shocked by RVM. On the way home she told me it was one of the most impressive live songs she had ever seen or heard. Echoed my thoughts, but of course i'm the PJ freak.

    And of course the addition on the end of the song, with the choppy chords, phasing, and lighting, is just f'n killer. Unbelievable. Big love to RVM always.

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  • FedericoFederico Posts: 7,916
    love long jams....does anyboidy ever heard those Pink Floyd 70`s shows with like 6-7 songs in two hours?...atome heart mother, echoes, saucerful of secret, shine on you crazy diamond,...and the show was over, jeje....i could see a pearl jam show like that....it would be funny just at least once...
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    Federico wrote:
    love long jams....does anyboidy ever heard those Pink Floyd 70`s shows with like 6-7 songs in two hours?...atome heart mother, echoes, saucerful of secret, shine on you crazy diamond,...and the show was over, jeje....i could see a pearl jam show like that....it would be funny just at least once...
    i wouldn't put it by them - part of the reason pearl jam has such a prowess in their live shows is they're ALL different.
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    xkevvx wrote:
    That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring.

    no it isn't
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  • smokeabudsmokeabud Posts: 253
    xkevvx wrote:
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.


    shit , i live for those songs !
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    xkevvx wrote:
    I'd rather see Daughter, Crazy Mary, RVM, and Porch shortened than songs made longer. That long ass period of noise in RVM is boring. I sit for that.

    I agree with most of what you said. I'd rather see Crazy Mary and RVM shortened and a couple of songs from the forgotten album "No Code" played instead of the extended jam sessions.

    I don't sit down and would never do that, but when you see multiple shows on a tour - though slightly different each time the jams on RVM and Crazy Mary get a little boring and drawn out.

    But as long as the guys in the band enjoy it - who am I to complain.
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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    I'm not one for extended jams on songs I've seen various times (RVM, Daughter), but that jam between Mike and Boom during Crazy Mary last year in Cincy is tops in my book.

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  • No WayNo Way Posts: 39
    Same here, after hearing the song on the album, I thought for sure this would become an extended jam song, esp. because it has a similar feel to Porch.



    It does seem like they haul ass thru it quite a bit...

    I agree with Severed Hand being played too fast. Another one they play too fast is Given to Fly - I love the studio version so much, and the live version always seems rushed to me. I'd like it if they could slow these down, just a little bit, AND extend them a little bit . . .
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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    The middle of PresentTense definitely needs a longer and maybe even a additional new middle part jam. That song is epic. Make it that way.
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    Just thought I would resurrect the oldest thread on the board
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    RVM & Porch extended versions is what makes a PJ show.. You gotta love that side to it and to say you sit down during these parts is crazy! I'm shocked you sit down at all it's a rock gig!
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  • the songs are even shorter when Ed fucks up the lyrics and starts off in the 2nd verse..like Release in Katowice! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
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