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dpmay, i still dont understand your argument that hendrix was worse as he neared the end, but was better at the start. What do you mean?
I dont know how anyone can listen to Are you, axis, electric ladyland, The Woodstock performance, and then band of gypsies and not come to the conclusion every single album is great, but that also jimis guitar playing was bizaarely getting better and better, which is absolutely insane to contemplate.
I dont know how you could say the hendrix thing is debateable. How is it even debateable? You are really saying Jimi was better in 1967 than he was in 1970?
you make it sound like its arguable that jimi dropped off or something, the quality dropped off? I dont know what your smoking, but you are out of your mind.
the sting of jimis death was made all the more horrific in that it was clear he was only going to be getting better. the guy changed music forever in 3 years. no one has ever come near to equalling him and never will.
dpmay, i still dont understand your argument that hendrix was worse as he neared the end, but was better at the start. What do you mean?
I dont know how anyone can listen to Are you, axis, electric ladyland, The Woodstock performance, and then band of gypsies and not come to the conclusion every single album is great, but that also jimis guitar playing was bizaarely getting better and better, which is absolutely insane to contemplate.
I dont know how you could say the hendrix thing is debateable. How is it even debateable? You are really saying Jimi was better in 1967 than he was in 1970?
you make it sound like its arguable that jimi dropped off or something, the quality dropped off? I dont know what your smoking, but you are out of your mind.
the sting of jimis death was made all the more horrific in that it was clear he was only going to be getting better. the guy changed music forever in 3 years. no one has ever come near to equalling him and never will.
It's probably debatable since the best thing Jimi ever recorded was Electric Ladyland. IMO the greatest album ever made.
Artists on my list would be:
MMJ
Ghostface Killah
Masta Ace
Elliott Smith
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
and i would also say the doors.
Morrison Hotel and L.A. Woman are every bit as good if not better than the first two records.
a lot of that could be production, the first album or 2 just sounds very flat and lacks the energy the band had. my first doors cd was 'in concert' and i thought it was absolutely brilliant. i then bought the first studio album, which many of the songs were on 'in concert' and it didn't even seem like the same band to me.
just like with riot act, you listen to the studio album and it seems to lack so much of the energy the band has playing the same songs live
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It's probably debatable since the best thing Jimi ever recorded was Electric Ladyland. IMO the greatest album ever made.
Artists on my list would be:
MMJ
Ghostface Killah
Masta Ace
Elliott Smith
Yeah Yeah Yeahs[/quote]
yeah i know. wasnt the op saying bands that released their best stuff late in their career? Wouldnt jimi creating his best album Electric ladyland, before he died fit the criteria?
the person was debating that jimi didnt fit the criteria of bands who release their best stuff late in their careers. i still have yet to hear an explanation as to why jimi doesnt fit that description to a t.
the person was debating that jimi didnt fit the criteria of bands who release their best stuff late in their careers. i still have yet to hear an explanation as to why jimi doesnt fit that description to a t.
I put him on my list too. I can see the argument against including him, though. As many have said Electric Ladyland is probably his greatest achievement. You can listen to the live and studio stuff that came later and kinda forecast that it prolly wasn't gonna be as mindblowing as Axis and EL. It's easy to sit here after the fact and say stuff is gonna be better or worse, eh. If I were to include the posthumous releases and gauge how great I think that stuff coulda been.
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i know i am getting hung on one guy, but i still dont get not including jimi. how can you listen to band of gypsies and come to the conclusion he was losing his luster and prowess? The original question was who had better albums and the end of the career. Jimi fits that criteria. One can sit here all day and question whether his albums were going to be better than EL or not, but i think its insane to NOT assume he was only getting better.
As I said, Jimi was tired of the whole "showoff" routine he had to do by the end of his career. people demanding he play with his teeth. he was tired of it. and he clearly had moved on from psychedelia to blues. Red House live in 1969 and 1970 was an entirely different beast that what it was years before. Very bluesy.
The question wasnt judging how some bands would have done down the road. it was who had better albums late in their career? Who got better with each release?
Anyone who says jimi was slacking off in 1970 had better check to see if they are sick or something.
After Chas Chandler quit as manager, Jimi's studio career became more erratic. This was becoming more evident between the first abortive attempts at a fourth JHE album at TTG Studios in October 1968, and the Gypsy Sun and Rainbows Record Plant sessions in September 1969. A lot of near-completed tracks, good jams and tryouts have surfaced from these sessions over the years, but there's also a lot of flotsam and jetsam, as well.
Jimi found new direction and purpose in the spring of 1970, and by this time was working hard to complete his fourth studio album. By late August of that year it seems, from some of his notes, that he was no longer planning to call the LP First Rays of the New Rising Sun, but, rather, Strate Ahead (sic). It seems he had regained his mojo - his drug bust in Toronto in May 1969 and the trial (ending in acquittal) at the end of that year had weighted on his mind but all was now happily resolved - and his new album might have been a testament to his new direction, had it really been completed to Jimi's satisfaction. What we have from those sessions is really far from finished. The studio version of Hey Baby (New Rising Sun) that was first released on Rainbow Bridge in 1971 was only a 1970 Electric Lady NYC studio demo: imagine how a fully realised version might have sounded!
As for live shows, the 1970 US Cry of Love tour gave us many of Jimi's best performances (LA Forum II, April 1970; Berkeley, May 1970). However, Jimi also played the worst two gigs of his career, that year (MSG, 28th January 1970; Aarhus, Denmark, 2nd September 1970). 1970 was a year of highs, lows and transition but certainly not one of marked decline.
And now, here's some music from one of Jimi's greatest gigs, at KB Hallen, Copenhagen 3rd September 1970:
wow - what a conversation. i will say that electric ladyland is my favorite hendrix album, which i suppose is later in his career. and i am not all that informed about hendrix's life, but when i think of later hendrix stuff, i think of the only (i think) post - experience record he released, band of gypsies, which i just personally do not like as much as the experience stuff. i do like it, and more than i used to. but when i first got into hendrix when i was a teenager, i just dug the experience stuff more, and found the band of gypsies record a little - inaccessible. i like it a lot more than i once did, but i guess i still like his experience records better. just taste, y'know, i won't claim that band of gypsies sucks or anything...
and ohbytheway, i never said he was slacking off in 70, never would.
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wow - what a conversation. i will say that electric ladyland is my favorite hendrix album, which i suppose is later in his career. and i am not all that informed about hendrix's life, but when i think of later hendrix stuff, i think of the only (i think) post - experience record he released, band of gypsies, which i just personally do not like as much as the experience stuff. i do like it, and more than i used to. but when i first got into hendrix when i was a teenager, i just dug the experience stuff more, and found the band of gypsies record a little - inaccessible. i like it a lot more than i once did, but i guess i still like his experience records better. just taste, y'know, i won't claim that band of gypsies sucks or anything...
and ohbytheway, i never said he was slacking off in 70, never would.
i think buddy miles took that album down several notches. like in machine gun when he starts wailin 'lord don't you shoot hiiiim! don't you shoot him down! lord he's got to staaaaaay here!' :roll: it's kinda annoying. (sort of like the dvd where right when it gets to the solo for machine gun slash starts going on about how much hendrix influenced him) i just want to scream SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! i read in a guitar magazine when the reissued them with the 2disc set eddie kramer talking about jimi having his head down on the editing console mumbling "shut the fuck up!"
i also read the last show of the band of gypsies (or close to the last) jimi said something about earth fucking with space and walking off stage.
try to find some of the live shows after that with mitch mitchell and billy cox. i don't have it anymore but there's a great sourced 2disc version of the rainbow bridge show with an awesome 'hey baby (land of the new rising sun)/in from the storm' i know isle of wight gets a lot of props but i think there are a lot better sounding shows from that time.
another factor was look at his tour schedule, the was pretty much always touring, all that traveling has got to take it's toll on you after a few years of it, especially when people being disrespectful to him as an artist and just wanting him as the spectacle playing all the early hits and playing behind his neck or with his teeth....
i really think he could've put out mind blowing music for a long time
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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i like the dylan comment. i wouldn't necessarily say his later stuff is his BEST, but it's close to as good as anything he's every done.
and how about tripping daisy and neko case? although i'd like to think we're only still in the early stages of neko case's career...
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Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
Butthead: Huh huh.
I dont know how anyone can listen to Are you, axis, electric ladyland, The Woodstock performance, and then band of gypsies and not come to the conclusion every single album is great, but that also jimis guitar playing was bizaarely getting better and better, which is absolutely insane to contemplate.
I dont know how you could say the hendrix thing is debateable. How is it even debateable? You are really saying Jimi was better in 1967 than he was in 1970?
you make it sound like its arguable that jimi dropped off or something, the quality dropped off? I dont know what your smoking, but you are out of your mind.
the sting of jimis death was made all the more horrific in that it was clear he was only going to be getting better. the guy changed music forever in 3 years. no one has ever come near to equalling him and never will.
It's probably debatable since the best thing Jimi ever recorded was Electric Ladyland. IMO the greatest album ever made.
Artists on my list would be:
MMJ
Ghostface Killah
Masta Ace
Elliott Smith
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
a lot of that could be production, the first album or 2 just sounds very flat and lacks the energy the band had. my first doors cd was 'in concert' and i thought it was absolutely brilliant. i then bought the first studio album, which many of the songs were on 'in concert' and it didn't even seem like the same band to me.
just like with riot act, you listen to the studio album and it seems to lack so much of the energy the band has playing the same songs live
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
It's probably debatable since the best thing Jimi ever recorded was Electric Ladyland. IMO the greatest album ever made.
Artists on my list would be:
MMJ
Ghostface Killah
Masta Ace
Elliott Smith
Yeah Yeah Yeahs[/quote]
yeah i know. wasnt the op saying bands that released their best stuff late in their career? Wouldnt jimi creating his best album Electric ladyland, before he died fit the criteria?
the person was debating that jimi didnt fit the criteria of bands who release their best stuff late in their careers. i still have yet to hear an explanation as to why jimi doesnt fit that description to a t.
I put him on my list too. I can see the argument against including him, though. As many have said Electric Ladyland is probably his greatest achievement. You can listen to the live and studio stuff that came later and kinda forecast that it prolly wasn't gonna be as mindblowing as Axis and EL. It's easy to sit here after the fact and say stuff is gonna be better or worse, eh. If I were to include the posthumous releases and gauge how great I think that stuff coulda been.
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Sonic Youth
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As I said, Jimi was tired of the whole "showoff" routine he had to do by the end of his career. people demanding he play with his teeth. he was tired of it. and he clearly had moved on from psychedelia to blues. Red House live in 1969 and 1970 was an entirely different beast that what it was years before. Very bluesy.
The question wasnt judging how some bands would have done down the road. it was who had better albums late in their career? Who got better with each release?
Anyone who says jimi was slacking off in 1970 had better check to see if they are sick or something.
Jimi found new direction and purpose in the spring of 1970, and by this time was working hard to complete his fourth studio album. By late August of that year it seems, from some of his notes, that he was no longer planning to call the LP First Rays of the New Rising Sun, but, rather, Strate Ahead (sic). It seems he had regained his mojo - his drug bust in Toronto in May 1969 and the trial (ending in acquittal) at the end of that year had weighted on his mind but all was now happily resolved - and his new album might have been a testament to his new direction, had it really been completed to Jimi's satisfaction. What we have from those sessions is really far from finished. The studio version of Hey Baby (New Rising Sun) that was first released on Rainbow Bridge in 1971 was only a 1970 Electric Lady NYC studio demo: imagine how a fully realised version might have sounded!
As for live shows, the 1970 US Cry of Love tour gave us many of Jimi's best performances (LA Forum II, April 1970; Berkeley, May 1970). However, Jimi also played the worst two gigs of his career, that year (MSG, 28th January 1970; Aarhus, Denmark, 2nd September 1970). 1970 was a year of highs, lows and transition but certainly not one of marked decline.
And now, here's some music from one of Jimi's greatest gigs, at KB Hallen, Copenhagen 3rd September 1970:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=han2KehB3CY
and ohbytheway, i never said he was slacking off in 70, never would.
Many may disagree with me, but I thought Springsteen had a streak of great albums during the past few years. The trilogy with the E Street Band: The Rising, Magic and Working On A Dream, and his side projects Devils & Dust and Seeger Sessions.
i think buddy miles took that album down several notches. like in machine gun when he starts wailin 'lord don't you shoot hiiiim! don't you shoot him down! lord he's got to staaaaaay here!' :roll: it's kinda annoying. (sort of like the dvd where right when it gets to the solo for machine gun slash starts going on about how much hendrix influenced him) i just want to scream SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! i read in a guitar magazine when the reissued them with the 2disc set eddie kramer talking about jimi having his head down on the editing console mumbling "shut the fuck up!"
i also read the last show of the band of gypsies (or close to the last) jimi said something about earth fucking with space and walking off stage.
try to find some of the live shows after that with mitch mitchell and billy cox. i don't have it anymore but there's a great sourced 2disc version of the rainbow bridge show with an awesome 'hey baby (land of the new rising sun)/in from the storm' i know isle of wight gets a lot of props but i think there are a lot better sounding shows from that time.
another factor was look at his tour schedule, the was pretty much always touring, all that traveling has got to take it's toll on you after a few years of it, especially when people being disrespectful to him as an artist and just wanting him as the spectacle playing all the early hits and playing behind his neck or with his teeth....
i really think he could've put out mind blowing music for a long time
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'