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WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited May 2010 in A Moving Train
Im suprised no one has posted anything on this subject. I for one think it's a pretty big deal. So now that we know that we are gong to be bailing out Greece through the IMF bcos they are broke. Maybe it's bcos You get free education, including college. You get free health care. You get a generous pension. And in some cases, you can retire at 55. You get six weeks of paid vacation each year. Also, many Greeks don't pay any taxes. Even though the VAT is 21 percent,
Is this the utopia that all who think socialism is so great want ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaaHx2doD94


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... oJ6yyOWOpM
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    You know, the IMF was set up a long time ago... right?
    Or did you think it was created last year?
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  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Im suprised no one has posted anything on this subject. I for one think it's a pretty big deal. So now that we know that we are gong to be bailing out Greece through the IMF bcos they are broke. Maybe it's bcos You get free education, including college. You get free health care. You get a generous pension. And in some cases, you can retire at 55. You get six weeks of paid vacation each year. Also, many Greeks don't pay any taxes. Even though the VAT is 21 percent,
    Is this the utopia that all who think socialism is so great want ?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaaHx2doD94


    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... oJ6yyOWOpM

    Yes, because Greece is totally representative of every single society that has socialist facets to it, and therefore it's perfectly acceptable to use the plight of a nation in trouble to mock a political idealogy you don't agree with.

    The last time I saw the size of the national debt here, the impression that I got was that America's capitalist society isn't working perfectly either :roll:
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Im suprised no one has posted anything on this subject. I for one think it's a pretty big deal. So now that we know that we are gong to be bailing out Greece through the IMF bcos they are broke. Maybe it's bcos You get free education, including college. You get free health care. You get a generous pension. And in some cases, you can retire at 55. You get six weeks of paid vacation each year. Also, many Greeks don't pay any taxes. Even though the VAT is 21 percent,
    Is this the utopia that all who think socialism is so great want ?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaaHx2doD94


    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... oJ6yyOWOpM

    Yes, because Greece is totally representative of every single society that has socialist facets to it, and therefore it's perfectly acceptable to use the plight of a nation in trouble to mock a political idealogy you don't agree with.

    The last time I saw the size of the national debt here, the impression that I got was that America's capitalist society isn't working perfectly either :roll:
    ...
    Don't forget... the largest of the bailouts was to prop up the American Financial System... the root core of Capitalism. Should we have let the supporting columns of Capitalism collapse?
    and that's what this bailout is trying to do... keep Western Ecomomic systems (Capitalism) from failing. Maybe we should heed PerfectLeft's advice and let it fail... let the European Economic System fail and have it drag our system down with it.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    so this was caused by Socialism?

    I've read that is mainly due to the eurozone, keynesian policies (a CAPITALIST "externality"), and fraud and corruption in the public and private sectors.

    Funny how socialism is demonized by people who have been brainwashed by their parents ideals and the "red scare" tactics are still floating around like a stinky fart.

    At its core, THIS is socialism:

    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." Eugene V. Debs
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    i guess your infos are not exactly true.....
    ofcourse we have free education ,free health care and college,..and this nothing to do with socialism but only couse people fight alot of years ago to win those thing..u pay taxis for get those for free and the state have to do it!!and this goes for not Greek people are in our country..even the ones are illigal in Greece..
    but all goes and pay private schools and pay for pass the exams for collage..
    the people who works in non public jobs retired at 65 the man and women at 60...some cases women less if the have small kids under 18..

    the people work for goverment or public ,retired 58 the men.50 women.or 37 years continuing work the men and 25 for women with kids....
    people like myself that we are military can retired at 25 years of work couse we work alot of extra hours..exircise and transfer away from home all the time..but money isnt good so we stay at work 35 years..
    now all channge with IMF all goes to 65 and atleast 40 years of work..the vat was 18% at 2008 19% at 2009 now is 23%..and will go 25% at summer..and they cut 20% of all public workers salarys..450$ per month for me..
    as about the people dont pay taxis,its true but not the public workers..but people have shops,can cheat,with double books and stuff..the problem is that they dont take money back from them,but from the ones they can easily..the public workers..
    the issue start when politics put alot of people work for them than the state could hold,,+ they didnt open the markets well..leave people cheat in taxis and the foreign goverment play with our economy in the markets..and the worst came when europeans left 6 months pass for help us with money,and the spreads go up!!,,but now the solution is ready,,all Greeks will be poor..we gonna give all the oils and products to American -German companys,in 3-4 years we will be clean,after strong countrys take all
    we will say YES to all NATO wants,couse we say NO so far to war,to sent troops to Iraq,to say yes to Scopie to become a member of NATO and ….and they gonna say..see..we cut the salarys,put vat at 25% and we save u..
    bullshit..

    they will just put Greeks in lower life level..

    the thing they don’t know yet,is that people of Greece with so culture,history,civilization,will fight for all this…
    even they have to give their blood..
    already 3 people die last week in demonstration..

    as for the system..

    Capitalism is a permanent defect: the unequal distribution of wealth. The
    Socialism indeed has a fixed asset: the equal distribution of
    poverty.
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    It may help to know what entity you're talking about before critiquing it so harshly. From your post, you have zero idea about the IMF, its policies, practice or this particular situation. Also, do not post anything, ever, from the NY Post as a point of reference - it is not anywhere remotely close to a factual point of information.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Im suprised no one has posted anything on this subject. I for one think it's a pretty big deal. So now that we know that we are gong to be bailing out Greece through the IMF bcos they are broke. Maybe it's bcos You get free education, including college. You get free health care. You get a generous pension. And in some cases, you can retire at 55. You get six weeks of paid vacation each year. Also, many Greeks don't pay any taxes. Even though the VAT is 21 percent,
    Is this the utopia that all who think socialism is so great want ?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaaHx2doD94


    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... oJ6yyOWOpM
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Cosmo wrote:
    You know, the IMF was set up a long time ago... right?
    Or did you think it was created last year?


    Yes cosmo I realize that. What's your point?
    FiveB247x wrote:
    t may help to know what entity you're talking about before critiquing it so harshly. From your post, you have zero idea about the IMF, its policies, practice or this particular situation. Also, do not post anything, ever, from the NY Post as a point of reference - it is not anywhere remotely close to a factual point of information.

    :roll: :roll: :roll: Whatever dude. I guess you just know everything... I guess you are the go to guy when it comes to current events. I guess I should check with you first before posting huh ??
    Whatever man :roll: So please tell me genius what caused the situaton in greece.
    could it be maybe that you cant keep spending and spending and racking up debt and think that there's not going to be consequences ?


    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37059.html



    he still stands wrote:
    so this was caused by Socialism?

    yes... SOCIALISM: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

    GEEE. sounds like greece to me.. what about you ???

    he still stands wrote:
    Funny how socialism is demonized by people who have been brainwashed by their parents ideals and the "red scare" tactics are still floating around like a stinky fart.

    Funny how people like you don't have a freaking clue. SOCIALISM DOESNT FUCKING WORK !!!!!!! the only people that are brain washed are leftist like yourself that think that it can...
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Not saying I know everything by any means, but nothing you posted has any legitimate merit or factual data about the IMF or this situation. All you did was throw meaningless textbook terms which hold no baring in the situation at all because to you, it is always the dirty socialist, leftist (idea or people) at the heart of every problem. My point was simply to understand this issue, you must first understand the IMF, how it works (or is supposed to, compared to its origins), what it's actual policies are, and how that translates into practice in real terms. When you make these posts, you sound like a neo-mccarthyist.. very broad ranged claims pointed at one specific political group or leaning with very little fact to back up the claims.

    In this instance of Greece, there were many factors which led to this point - most which point back to the formation of the EU - not politically, but the economics of it. The EU was formed primarily to create a greater and broader economically stout Europe to wield more power and say in the markets which also leads to politics. A way to compete and have stronger say in global economics, trade and in some ways to keep European nations balanced by making a pseudo conglomeration. When it first began, only the strong economic nations were invited with aspirations that others would get their act together and join later. This has happened in many nations. In Greece's case, they did step up to the plate in order to join as in a few years they altered many policies and reforms to lower their debt and stabilized their economy. For the EU, it was nothing more than another member nation to add to its ranks, but for Greece it was an opportunity to be on a higher playing field with the rest of the economic elites in global markets. Shortly there-after, they were part of the EU... but in practical terms this has greater meaning. It means inclusion to a greater economic standing - more credit, more innovation in industries, more interest in trading on global markets, more jobs and money flowing for locals. Lots of upside, but with that comes responsibility...and in this case, as several before it (biggest being Argentina), the influx of money and credit not only emboldened locals to live a bit outside of their means, more importantly, the government of Greece and market people of the EU didn't do a good job of not letting the situation get out of control to the point of no return - which is what happened. And let me also make a side-note here, any economy that wants to grow, needs sufficient credit system, yes even if that means some live outside of their means. If everyone lived on a zero-sum income/debt ratio, any nation or society would suffer as a result. What is inherently wrong with this particular situation is that Greece, the EU and others didn't put the brakes on before things got too bad... similar to our own banking crisis. Anything unchecked and in extreme forms will catch up to you... in basic terms, that's all this is. Now here's the crux of the problem, if the EU and IMF don't step in to bailout Greece, the problem will not only ruin that nation, but spread throughout the world - just as our banking collapse did. So albeit, an unhappy EU had to step to the plate to basically save it's own long term well-being. And in terms of the IMF, the only real thing they get out of this scenario is another nation to join its ranks amongst the global economy (on their terms). The IMF doesn't hold political leanings, but mere economic and fiscal practice directed in a specific manner, which basically amounts to prosperity through globalization, neo-conservative economic policies and the concept of inclusion. The more you learn about "politics" in any nation or even the world, the more you really understand that it has more to do with "economics" than anything.

    If you're interested in reading, I wrote this about a year ago and it discusses many of these issues and topics on basic levels of practice, intent and actual result. http://political-illusions.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-picture.html

    A short podcast which covers some of this is: This episode of Planet Money http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/05/the_tuesday_podcast_in_athens.html

    A great book to read about the IMF, WB and a great detailed read about Greece, read the above book about Argentina's economic crisis and collapse. Basically along the same lines, but one was left to default and suffer (Argentina) and Greece was bailed out because of it's potential repercussions to the EU. The book is "And The Money Kept Rolling In (And Out) - Paul Blustein".

    Lastly, as for that politico article - it's mere nonsense and based on nothing more than scare-tactics. Our nation isn't any more economically unstable after the banking collapses, high debt levels or anything similar than we were long before it. In actuality, it proved the rest of the world is more susceptible and riding our coat-tales compared to dethroning us as the economic super power of the globe.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    :roll: :roll: :roll: Whatever dude. I guess you just know everything... I guess you are the go to guy when it comes to current events. I guess I should check with you first before posting huh ??
    Whatever man :roll: So please tell me genius what caused the situaton in greece.
    could it be maybe that you cant keep spending and spending and racking up debt and think that there's not going to be consequences ?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37059.html
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    prfctlefts wrote:

    Funny how people like you don't have a freaking clue. SOCIALISM DOESNT FUCKING WORK !!!!!!! the only people that are brain washed are leftist like yourself that think that it can...

    :roll: :roll: :roll: Whatever dude. I guess you just know everything...


    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    inmytree wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:

    Funny how people like you don't have a freaking clue. SOCIALISM DOESNT FUCKING WORK !!!!!!! the only people that are brain washed are leftist like yourself that think that it can...

    :roll: :roll: :roll: Whatever dude. I guess you just know everything...


    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    I am really dissappointed in the intelligence of this board, too.

    I won't even start about the differences between Leninist Socialism (which may be "evil") the and pure socialist ideals.

    All I'll say is it is bewildering that so many people prefer to get bent over without lube, remain wage slaves, and work for somebody else's bottom line rather than live in a world where you only work for what you need, and midevil concepts like landlordsism, rent, usury, and unjust authority are thrown in the trash heap.

    But I'm the one who is brainwashed because I think humans can evolve from a self-defeating system based on everlasting increasing production and consumption of finite resources to a system where you live for yourself rather than work for someone else...
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    he still stands wrote:
    But I'm the one who is brainwashed because I think humans can evolve from a self-defeating system based on everlasting increasing production and consumption of finite resources to a system where you live for yourself rather than work for someone else...

    you are high on hope ... although you are correct we can evolve - the reality is that we won't ... threads like this prove it ... all we can do is watch it all implode and pick up the pieces after ...
  • HeyWayneHeyWayne Posts: 316
    Fuck it, we're all toast in 2012 anyway.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Capitalism is a permanent defect: the unequal distribution of wealth. The
    Socialism indeed has a fixed asset: the equal distribution of
    poverty.

    That is an interesting insight to the situation, even though some of it was Greek to me (cue rim shot). I hope everything improves for your nation.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    polaris_x wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    But I'm the one who is brainwashed because I think humans can evolve from a self-defeating system based on everlasting increasing production and consumption of finite resources to a system where you live for yourself rather than work for someone else...

    you are high on hope ... although you are correct we can evolve - the reality is that we won't ... threads like this prove it ... all we can do is watch it all implode and pick up the pieces after ...

    that is a loser's mentality... have a winner's mentality!!! It is a much more pleasant way to live!!! :D

    I'm an optimist on thursdays. Catch me on Monday and I'll be cynical as all hell.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    So now we are bailing out Greece...

    And so we should. If you've ever been there Greece is a beautiful country with numerous gorgeous islands, fantastic climate, lovely people, perfect place to go. That's enough for me, bail 'em out.

    On the other hand if Belgium develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    nuffingman wrote:
    So now we are bailing out Greece...

    And so we should. If you've ever been there Greece is a beautiful country with numerous gorgeous islands, fantastic climate, lovely people, perfect place to go. That's enough for me, bail 'em out.

    On the other hand if Belgium develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Jason P wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Capitalism is a permanent defect: the unequal distribution of wealth. The
    Socialism indeed has a fixed asset: the equal distribution of
    poverty.

    That is an interesting insight to the situation, even though some of it was Greek to me (cue rim shot). I hope everything improves for your nation.
    means in capitalism some get rich and the rest stay poor..in sosialism all are poor the same
    and thanks Jason for your kind words :)
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    nuffingman wrote:

    On the other hand if Belgium develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:

    They've got the best beer and the most choice of beer in the world! Can't let a country like that go down!
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    You know, the IMF was set up a long time ago... right?
    Or did you think it was created last year?
    Yes cosmo I realize that. What's your point?
    FiveB247x wrote:
    t may help to know what entity you're talking about before critiquing it so harshly. From your post, you have zero idea about the IMF, its policies, practice or this particular situation. Also, do not post anything, ever, from the NY Post as a point of reference - it is not anywhere remotely close to a factual point of information.

    :roll: :roll: :roll: Whatever dude. I guess you just know everything... I guess you are the go to guy when it comes to current events. I guess I should check with you first before posting huh ??
    Whatever man :roll: So please tell me genius what caused the situaton in greece.
    could it be maybe that you cant keep spending and spending and racking up debt and think that there's not going to be consequences ?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37059.html
    he still stands wrote:
    so this was caused by Socialism?
    ys... SOCIALISM: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

    GEEE. sounds like greece to me.. what about you ???
    he still stands wrote:
    Funny how socialism is demonized by people who have been brainwashed by their parents ideals and the "red scare" tactics are still floating around like a stinky fart.

    Funny how people like you don't have a freaking clue. SOCIALISM DOESNT FUCKING WORK !!!!!!! the only people that are brain washed are leftist like yourself that think that it can...
    ...
    All I can really gather from this are the following:
    You don't have a clue on what the IMF is...
    You don't have a clue about Greece's Capitalistic dealings with Goldman Sachs and the housing meltdown (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8529111.stm )...
    and you watch and believe in Glenn Beck way too seriously.
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  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    redrock wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:

    On the other hand if Belgium develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:

    They've got the best beer and the most choice of beer in the world! Can't let a country like that go down!
    And I forgot the chocolate. And they have Bruges, one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
    I can't pick on France because of Paris, the Alps and the women are so chic.
    Poland has Krakow
    Czech republic has Prague
    Can't pick on Italy obviously
    Portugal - nope
    Holland has Amsterdam and great coffee shops, so I obviously can't choose them
    Germany has Berlin and Bavaria but they were close
    Austria - mountains, Vienna and The Sound of Music
    Spain - Madrid is OK, Barcelona the most over rated city in the world. Beaches full of British chavs every summer and cranes everywhere you look.

    On the other hand if Spain develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    No response to my post in this thread prfctlefts?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    nuffingman wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:

    On the other hand if Belgium develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:

    They've got the best beer and the most choice of beer in the world! Can't let a country like that go down!
    And I forgot the chocolate. And they have Bruges, one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
    I can't pick on France because of Paris, the Alps and the women are so chic.
    Poland has Krakow
    Czech republic has Prague
    Can't pick on Italy obviously
    Portugal - nope
    Holland has Amsterdam and great coffee shops, so I obviously can't choose them
    Germany has Berlin and Bavaria but they were close
    Austria - mountains, Vienna and The Sound of Music
    Spain - Madrid is OK, Barcelona the most over rated city in the world. Beaches full of British chavs every summer and cranes everywhere you look.

    On the other hand if Spain develops these financial problems ... fuck 'em. :lol:
    no!!!cos they are speak spanish and its hot!!
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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    Were they told to privatize their healthcare in order to get out of debt?
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    unsung wrote:
    Were they told to privatize their healthcare in order to get out of debt?
    no..cut salarys 20% of people.vat from 18% go to 25% sell islands,and give the oil from our sea to American-German companys.say yes to the name North Macedonia for the country of Scopie,and say yes to the Cyprus have turkian military..they want to fuck us and the same time to say thank u..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Were they told to privatize their healthcare in order to get out of debt?
    no..cut salarys 20% of people.vat from 18% go to 25% sell islands,and give the oil from our sea to American-German companys.say yes to the name North Macedonia for the country of Scopie,and say yes to the Cyprus have turkian military..they want to fuck us and the same time to say thank u..
    What happens if your country doesn't accept the terms? Will the outcome be worse or stay the same?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Jason P wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Were they told to privatize their healthcare in order to get out of debt?
    no..cut salarys 20% of people.vat from 18% go to 25% sell islands,and give the oil from our sea to American-German companys.say yes to the name North Macedonia for the country of Scopie,and say yes to the Cyprus have turkian military..they want to fuck us and the same time to say thank u..
    What happens if your country doesn't accept the terms? Will the outcome be worse or stay the same?
    they will kick us out of euro and our old coin will be fucked in markets..the strong thing the goverment says is i cant pay your salarys if i dont take the money from imf but this are the terms..
    today turkish prime minister arrive in greece with 10 more politics and 150 turkish businesmans..their plan work well..they will fuck us..but no,we arent gonna say Thank you..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Memoria.Del.Saqueo.2004.
    is the movie about happen to Argentina,same happening now in Greece
    link via torrent
    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3561205 ... l_Genocide)
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    What happens if your country doesn't accept the terms? Will the outcome be worse or stay the same?
    they will kick us out of euro and our old coin will be fucked in markets..the strong thing the goverment says is i cant pay your salarys if i dont take the money from imf but this are the terms..
    today turkish prime minister arrive in greece with 10 more politics and 150 turkish businesmans..their plan work well..they will fuck us..but no,we arent gonna say Thank you..
    Hmm. Does not sound good. It might be a good time to work oversea for a few years. Maybe PJ needs a new roadie.
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    Ohhh prfctlefts, how you make me laugh.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    btw,for your information,we dont have socialism in Greece,atleast the way u have it in mind..our system is more capitalist,but with some sosialism sensitives..health,education...its a mixed thing,,u have some things for free,but u pay extra to be sure that u have the best..thats why corruption is the biggest issue that put us in this position..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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