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mrussel1

Cliffy6745 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BOOM.

How is that a fielder's choice? No one made a choice. The runner got hit by a ball so he is out and the running gets awarded first base.  That said, do not know how to score that.

9

Disagree.  It's still an FC, just like a force out.  To me, I don't know how you distinguish that situation, but not catcher and fielder interference or any of the other nuances.  I still think it's seven personally.  But that was fun regardless.  

But it's not a fielder's choice.  That indicates the fielder played the ball and made a decision to get someone besides the batter out.  This situation the runner gets himself out by being hit by the ball and the batter is given first.

I get the catcher/fielder's one.

How do you have a hit when there is an out?  

Cliffy6745

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BOOM.

How is that a fielder's choice? No one made a choice. The runner got hit by a ball so he is out and the running gets awarded first base.  That said, do not know how to score that.

9

Disagree.  It's still an FC, just like a force out.  To me, I don't know how you distinguish that situation, but not catcher and fielder interference or any of the other nuances.  I still think it's seven personally.  But that was fun regardless.  

But it's not a fielder's choice.  That indicates the fielder played the ball and made a decision to get someone besides the batter out.  This situation the runner gets himself out by being hit by the ball and the batter is given first.

I get the catcher/fielder's one.

How do you have a hit when there is an out?  

Well yeah, since the beginning I said I have no idea how it would be scored and I agree with that.  I just don't see how a fielder's choice though.

HesCalledDyer

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

Cliffy6745

HesCalledDyer said:

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

So put out of the runner, not a fielder's choice and the batter obviously gets first?

HesCalledDyer

Cliffy6745 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

So put out of the runner, not a fielder's choice and the batter obviously gets first?

Put out on the runner, fielder's choice on the batter who is awarded 1B as long as the put out isn't the 3rd out of the inning.

Cliffy6745

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

JK_Livin

HesCalledDyer said:

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

The runner has to be in front of the fielder as well to be out. If the runner is behind a fielder and the fielder has a play on the ball and misses it, the runner is deemed safe if the ball hits him. 

HesCalledDyer

Cliffy6745 said:

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

Correct, as a byproduct of the put out.

mrussel1

Cliffy6745 said:

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

I feel like the result is the very definition of an FC.  

mrussel1

JK_Livin said:

HesCalledDyer said:

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

The runner has to be in front of the fielder as well to be out. If the runner is behind a fielder and the fielder has a play on the ball and misses it, the runner is deemed safe if the ball hits him. 

Great point.  You would probably only see that when the infield is in, so pretty rare.  

Cliffy6745

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

I feel like the result is the very definition of an FC.  

I still don't get it.  The word choice implies that the fielder fielded the ball and decided to not get the batter out.  But clearly is the scoring it seems.

HesCalledDyer

mrussel1 said:

JK_Livin said:

HesCalledDyer said:

When a runner is hit by a batted ball, the official score on the runner is a "put out" by the nearest infielder when the ball is hit.  Even though the fielder didn't physically score a put out, he is still credited with it.  The batter being scored a fielder's choice is a result of the scoring of put out by the infielder.

The runner has to be in front of the fielder as well to be out. If the runner is behind a fielder and the fielder has a play on the ball and misses it, the runner is deemed safe if the ball hits him. 

Great point.  You would probably only see that when the infield is in, so pretty rare.  

Yes, good point indeed.  It would be rare but it is a detail that can factor into play.

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

Correct, as a byproduct of the put out.

but that is why it's confusing. when i googled it i got both results. i always thought it was a fielder's choice but the rule book seems to indicate it should be a hit. one of the sites that answered a question had the situation happen in a minor league game and it was scored a hit.  

this site says hit 
https://hoohaa.com/?p=8633

and this one
https://baseballscoring.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/did-you-know-batted-ball-hitting-runner/


and this one says fielder's choice

http://www.theoleballgame.com/scoring-a-runner-hit-by-a-batted-ball.html

mrussel1

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:

So it is officially a fielder's choice?

Correct, as a byproduct of the put out.

but that is why it's confusing. when i googled it i got both results. i always thought it was a fielder's choice but the rule book seems to indicate it should be a hit. one of the sites that answered a question had the situation happen in a minor league game and it was scored a hit.  

Edit, I misread what you were saying. 

HesCalledDyer

Dammit, now I'm confused!

HesCalledDyer

I just downloaded the OBR. 

A base hit shall be awarded if by Rule 9.05(a)(5)

a fair ball that has not been touched by a fielder touches a runner or an umpire, unless a runner is called out for having been touched by an Infield Fly, in which case the Official Scorer shall not score a hit;

No hit shall be awarded if by Rule 9.05(b)(1):

a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.

So it sounds to me like the batter gets a hit if the runner hit by the batted ball is not a force out, but it's a fielder's choice if the hit runner can be forced.

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

I just downloaded the OBR. 

A base hit shall be awarded if by Rule 9.05(a)(5)

a fair ball that has not been touched by a fielder touches a runner or an umpire, unless a runner is called out for having been touched by an Infield Fly, in which case the Official Scorer shall not score a hit;

No hit shall be awarded if by Rule 9.05(b)(1):

a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.

So it sounds to me like the batter gets a hit if the runner hit by the batted ball is not a force out, but it's a fielder's choice if the hit runner can be forced.

hmmm interesting. those two rules above seem to contradict each other so i am fairly baffled by it.

F Me In The Brain

Reds sweep Strohs.  This team drives me nuts. 

mfc2006

F Me In The Brain said:

Reds sweep Strohs.  This team drives me nuts. 

That was a very frustrating series. 

F Me In The Brain

mfc2006 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Reds sweep Strohs.  This team drives me nuts. 

That was a very frustrating series. 

We normally lose those games so it is shocking to win three in a row against a good team.  (A great team when healthy, but a damn good team even dinged up)

With the way the staff worked so far it is crazy to say the Reds are 4 games under .500.  They play in a bandbox, have shit defense, and they still are stingy as hell with allowing runs.