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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,612
    edited September 2017
    mrussel1 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Rangers getting a new ballpark is insane.  What they currently play in is one of my favorite to watch on TV.  I don't know what the experience is in person or why the hell they would need one, but it looks great on TV.

    http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/09/21/the-rangers-release-artists-renderings-of-their-new-ballpark/


    Air conditioning... 

    So taxpayers get a bill because they didn't realize it's hot in Teaxs 20 years ago?
    Not arguing that.  Is this a taxpayer initiative, not private?
    I am sure it is.  Billionaires don't pay for stadiums in 2017.
    Anyone who thinks any stadium is privately financed is incredibly naive.
    That's a bold statement, condescending and factually incorrect.  Private financing through high end sales of luxury sweets and boxes are not unheard of today.  Levi stadium is a good example where they created separate trusts to shield public coffers from stadium costs.  The niners were responsible for cost overruns.  Santa Clara responsible for some construction, but it was in the form of loans that the stadium was responsible for through naming rights and other post construction revenue vehicles.  Because it's a separate trust, if the stadium financially collapses, then the trust files for bankruptcy protection and Santa Clara taxpayers can't be held liable.  

    That stadium was 20% financed by the 9ers and NFL, while the city and "Stadium Authority" financed 80% of it - to be privately financed it should be coming out of the team and league's pocket. But of course they don't. That money always comes externally.

    Good thing they're into their 2nd year (3rd year?), and it's already empty.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Rangers getting a new ballpark is insane.  What they currently play in is one of my favorite to watch on TV.  I don't know what the experience is in person or why the hell they would need one, but it looks great on TV.

    http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/09/21/the-rangers-release-artists-renderings-of-their-new-ballpark/


    Air conditioning... 

    So taxpayers get a bill because they didn't realize it's hot in Teaxs 20 years ago?
    Not arguing that.  Is this a taxpayer initiative, not private?
    I am sure it is.  Billionaires don't pay for stadiums in 2017.
    Anyone who thinks any stadium is privately financed is incredibly naive.
    That's a bold statement, condescending and factually incorrect.  Private financing through high end sales of luxury sweets and boxes are not unheard of today.  Levi stadium is a good example where they created separate trusts to shield public coffers from stadium costs.  The niners were responsible for cost overruns.  Santa Clara responsible for some construction, but it was in the form of loans that the stadium was responsible for through naming rights and other post construction revenue vehicles.  Because it's a separate trust, if the stadium financially collapses, then the trust files for bankruptcy protection and Santa Clara taxpayers can't be held liable.  

    How often to construction loans from the gov't get paid back?  Sounds all good and well, but the majority of those never come close to getting paid back.
    It's a separate trust.  The trust likely can file bankruptcy.  They will have a lien position on the property.  If it was structured the way it is represented, there would be no taxpayer liability.  
    I am not a real estate lawyer, but what is the city gonna do, evict the niners if they don't pay?

    The Eagles owe the city of Philadelphia a measly $8 million that they have been ordered to pay and still haven't.
    I don't know the structure of that, but is it still being litigated?  Are you sure it wasn't settled?  Basically you are saying there is no rule of law or litigation solution and that the Niners can just blow off the construction debt.  I'm frankly not so sure about that.  But again, if they don't pay and there are no assets to lien or funds to garn (which there are right now of course), then the trust files bankruptcy.  That's why the city set it up completely separate so the city doesn't bear the liability.  You just file the appropriate chapter.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    mrussel1 said:
    And the answer is that the Rangers stadium will be paid 50% via tax increases in hotel, rental car and sales tax along with a bond sale.  Evidently it was approved through some election recently.  
    That's how they are paying for the Cowboys stadium too!

    Taken from Wiki:

    Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion,[21] making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5%, the hotel occupancy tax by 2%, and car rental tax by 5%. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[21][22] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, following its policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.[
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Rangers getting a new ballpark is insane.  What they currently play in is one of my favorite to watch on TV.  I don't know what the experience is in person or why the hell they would need one, but it looks great on TV.

    http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/09/21/the-rangers-release-artists-renderings-of-their-new-ballpark/


    Air conditioning... 

    So taxpayers get a bill because they didn't realize it's hot in Teaxs 20 years ago?
    Not arguing that.  Is this a taxpayer initiative, not private?
    I am sure it is.  Billionaires don't pay for stadiums in 2017.
    Anyone who thinks any stadium is privately financed is incredibly naive.
    That's a bold statement, condescending and factually incorrect.  Private financing through high end sales of luxury sweets and boxes are not unheard of today.  Levi stadium is a good example where they created separate trusts to shield public coffers from stadium costs.  The niners were responsible for cost overruns.  Santa Clara responsible for some construction, but it was in the form of loans that the stadium was responsible for through naming rights and other post construction revenue vehicles.  Because it's a separate trust, if the stadium financially collapses, then the trust files for bankruptcy protection and Santa Clara taxpayers can't be held liable.  

    That stadium was 20% financed by the 9ers and NFL, while the city and "Stadium Authority" financed 80% of it - to be privately financed it should be coming out of the team and league's pocket. But of course they don't. That money always comes externally.

    Good thing they're into their 2nd year (3rd year?), and it's already empty.
    Jerry Jones agreed to pay cost overruns too.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,612
    That's exactly what he's saying - team's will blow off any obligation they have, or at least drag it into the mud.

    Man, this guy's really into this 9ers deal. I'm glad one stadium that sorta, kinda, maybe, doesn't put the public on the hook is the rule and not the exception.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Yeah I saw that.  But Arlington is going to refinance all of that debt and roll it into the Rangers since the rates are so much lower today then when the facility was built.  According to the article, the city is well ahead of its payment schedule since the Cowboys stadium had been so successful drawing in events other than just the 8 Cowboys games.  
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,046
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    And the new wood used in bats splinters different than bats used to break.  Someone will die at some point if the nets aren't put up.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,320
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Rangers getting a new ballpark is insane.  What they currently play in is one of my favorite to watch on TV.  I don't know what the experience is in person or why the hell they would need one, but it looks great on TV.

    http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/09/21/the-rangers-release-artists-renderings-of-their-new-ballpark/


    I saw a game ther once and i really liked the Stadium. I liked it more then  Camden Yards. I don't understand why they need a new stadium, either.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
    I'm dead serious.  If a ball comes my way I'm trying to catch it not move out of the way.  I've barehanded screamers before.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    edited September 2017
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
    I'm dead serious.  If a ball comes my way I'm trying to catch it not move out of the way.  I've barehanded screamers before.
    Man, are you tough.  Here's the thing though, toddlers and women may not be as tough as you when it comes to 'screamers' at their head.  I'd rather impede on your toughness and have someone not die.

    I didn't know grown ass men felt so strongly about catching baseballs and nets.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    Yeah, I will catch pop ups but I'm not trying to catch a line drive w/o a glove.  Seems like a very easy way to break your hand. 

    This is a very Wobbie / get off my lawn type of conversation.  :)

    Put the nets up and be done with it.  I love going to hockey and it hasn't ruined that sport & the viewing pleasure.
    It has protected against another 13 year old girl dying at a game, however.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
    I'm dead serious.  If a ball comes my way I'm trying to catch it not move out of the way.  I've barehanded screamers before.
    Man, are you tough.  Here's the thing though, toddlers and women may not be as tough as you when it comes to 'screamers' at their head.  I'd rather impede on your toughness and have someone not die.

    I didn't know grown ass men felt so strongly about catching baseballs and nets.
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Yeah, I will catch pop ups but I'm not trying to catch a line drive w/o a glove.  Seems like a very easy way to break your hand. 

    This is a very Wobbie / get off my lawn type of conversation.  :)

    Put the nets up and be done with it.  I love going to hockey and it hasn't ruined that sport & the viewing pleasure.
    It has protected against another 13 year old girl dying at a game, however.
    I see both of your points and I get it.  Evolution of the game.  Put up the nets.  I'll sit in the outfield now, lol.  More HR's are being hit anyway.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
    I'm dead serious.  If a ball comes my way I'm trying to catch it not move out of the way.  I've barehanded screamers before.
    Man, are you tough.  Here's the thing though, toddlers and women may not be as tough as you when it comes to 'screamers' at their head.  I'd rather impede on your toughness and have someone not die.

    I didn't know grown ass men felt so strongly about catching baseballs and nets.
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Yeah, I will catch pop ups but I'm not trying to catch a line drive w/o a glove.  Seems like a very easy way to break your hand. 

    This is a very Wobbie / get off my lawn type of conversation.  :)

    Put the nets up and be done with it.  I love going to hockey and it hasn't ruined that sport & the viewing pleasure.
    It has protected against another 13 year old girl dying at a game, however.
    I see both of your points and I get it.  Evolution of the game.  Put up the nets.  I'll sit in the outfield now, lol.  More HR's are being hit anyway.
    I was going to say to sit in the outfield and catch home runs.  They're more fun that foul balls anyway.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    You must have hands of steel!
    Or...as I used to refer to Maurice Carthon, 'Stone Hands'
    ;)

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    F Me In The Brain said:
    You must have hands of steel!
    Or...as I used to refer to Maurice Carthon, 'Stone Hands'
    ;)

    Trick is squeezing your hand tight just before you catch it.  I have no idea why it works but it does...
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,821
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Both get the foot down early
    pjhawks said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but good article - https://sports.yahoo.com/shame-major-league-baseballs-morally-repugnant-anti-netting-excuses-042555668.html
    HBO Real Sports did a story a year or so ago about batted balls in the stands. they did a test where they had people sitting behind plexiglass and even when they told the people when the ball was coming none had reaction times fast enough to avoid the ball.  it's amazing more people don't get hurt and that someone hasn't been killed.
    Yep, my wife asked me how you move even if you are paying attention.  I told her you can cover your face or turn away but there is no getting away unless you just happen to move precisely the right way. 
    Catch it?!? Isn't that an option?
    You can't be serious? 
    I'm dead serious.  If a ball comes my way I'm trying to catch it not move out of the way.  I've barehanded screamers before.
    Man, are you tough.  Here's the thing though, toddlers and women may not be as tough as you when it comes to 'screamers' at their head.  I'd rather impede on your toughness and have someone not die.

    I didn't know grown ass men felt so strongly about catching baseballs and nets.
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Yeah, I will catch pop ups but I'm not trying to catch a line drive w/o a glove.  Seems like a very easy way to break your hand. 

    This is a very Wobbie / get off my lawn type of conversation.  :)

    Put the nets up and be done with it.  I love going to hockey and it hasn't ruined that sport & the viewing pleasure.
    It has protected against another 13 year old girl dying at a game, however.
    I see both of your points and I get it.  Evolution of the game.  Put up the nets.  I'll sit in the outfield now, lol.  More HR's are being hit anyway.
    I was going to say to sit in the outfield and catch home runs.  They're more fun that foul balls anyway.
    No, I get it.  Same could be said as to "why do you have a kid in possible harms way" in the lower infield seats?

    But I'll give and say again, put up the nets.

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