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Cliffy6745

The Fixer wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Yup. You got it norm. Watch Theo throw a deal out to Jeter just to piss off the Yankees. Would that be the end of the world if #2 played his final years in Boston? I'd have no problem embracing him in our universe.

By the way, kudos to Theo for not extending the money and years to Vic Martinez. Have fun playing for a 3rd place team the next 5 years.

If I were a sox fan I'd rather have beltre

I think I read Beltre is looking at a 5 year deal? Damn, kind of crazy what 1 awesome year can do.

FenwayFaithful

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

If I were a sox fan I'd rather have beltre

I think I read Beltre is looking at a 5 year deal? Damn, kind of crazy what 1 awesome year can do.

Agreed. They offered him arbitration today, so if he signs elsewhere, we get 2 first rounders. I'm not as high on Beltre as everyone else. On the other hand, the prospect of Jed Lowrie playing 3rd all next season scares me. I think Beltre might be back in Boston, but we all know he's signing a stupidly large contract with a west coast team.

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Yup. You got it norm. Watch Theo throw a deal out to Jeter just to piss off the Yankees. Would that be the end of the world if #2 played his final years in Boston? I'd have no problem embracing him in our universe.

By the way, kudos to Theo for not extending the money and years to Vic Martinez. Have fun playing for a 3rd place team the next 5 years.

If I were a sox fan I'd rather have beltre

I think I read Beltre is looking at a 5 year deal? Damn, kind of crazy what 1 awesome year can do.

he's still pretty young right? 29, 30ish? I don't think 5 years is all that excessive.

Saw lee wants 7 years from the yanks. I hope cashman is figuring out a nice way to tell him to go F himself

Cliffy6745

The Fixer wrote:

he's still pretty young right? 29, 30ish? I don't think 5 years is all that excessive.

Saw lee wants 7 years from the yanks. I hope cashman is figuring out a nice way to tell him to go F himself

Yeah, I think he may be 31 or so, so 5 years is not all that much, but I am just saying until this past season, there was no shot he was getting a deal close to that.

Yeah, I read he was hoping for a 7th. That's not going to happen either. Read this morning his agents don't think he has a shot at the 7th year. If the Rangers want to give him 7 years, go for it. Won't happen.

Cliffy6745

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

If I were a sox fan I'd rather have beltre

I think I read Beltre is looking at a 5 year deal? Damn, kind of crazy what 1 awesome year can do.

Agreed. They offered him arbitration today, so if he signs elsewhere, we get 2 first rounders. I'm not as high on Beltre as everyone else. On the other hand, the prospect of Jed Lowrie playing 3rd all next season scares me. I think Beltre might be back in Boston, but we all know he's signing a stupidly large contract with a west coast team.

Yeah, that's an abritration no brainer. I think he will be on the west coast too.

Cliffy6745

Does $12 mil a year for Victor Martinez seem a little low? 5 years is probably too much but if a hitter like Huff gets $11 shouldn't Martinez get more?

FenwayFaithful

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Does $12 mil a year for Victor Martinez seem a little low? 5 years is probably too much but if a hitter like Huff gets $11 shouldn't Martinez get more?

Good point. Especially since Vic can catch, play first and DH. Theo's comments on WEEI last week I thought were very telling when he said Jarrod Saltalamaccia has a promising future in Boston. He's only 25 and I think can be very productive playing in Fenway. I just think Theo was adamantly opposed to the 5 years others were willing to give.

The Fixer

FF, I know you mentioned 2 first round picks if beltre leaves. that's not necessarily the case. Here's an article that breaks down how FA compensation works. it's kind of phillies centric, but it breaks down the complicated process pretty well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ation.html

FenwayFaithful

The Fixer wrote:

FF, I know you mentioned 2 first round picks if beltre leaves. that's not necessarily the case. Here's an article that breaks down how FA compensation works. it's kind of phillies centric, but it breaks down the complicated process pretty well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ation.html

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification, Fixer. I always wondered what that supplemental round was for.

The compensation for a "Type A" player who signs elsewhere as a free agent is two draft picks. One pick is in the supplemental round, which falls between the first and second round. The other pick is the highest unprotected selection of the team that signs the Type A free agent. The top 15 picks in the first round of the draft are protected. Because of compensation picks for the Diamondbacks, Padres and Brewers in this year's first round, the top 18 picks are actually protected. If a team with a protected first round pick signed Werth, the Phillies would receive that team's second-round pick.

And my 2cents on Werth is the Phillies are better off in the long run without him.

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The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Does $12 mil a year for Victor Martinez seem a little low? 5 years is probably too much but if a hitter like Huff gets $11 shouldn't Martinez get more?

Me and my buddies were talking about the same thing the other night. Ryan howard is now annually making more than twice as much as martinez. god, howard's contract is the WORST THING EVER

The Fixer

FenwayFaithful wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

FF, I know you mentioned 2 first round picks if beltre leaves. that's not necessarily the case. Here's an article that breaks down how FA compensation works. it's kind of phillies centric, but it breaks down the complicated process pretty well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ation.html

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification, Fixer. I always wondered what that supplemental round was for.

The compensation for a "Type A" player who signs elsewhere as a free agent is two draft picks. One pick is in the supplemental round, which falls between the first and second round. The other pick is the highest unprotected selection of the team that signs the Type A free agent. The top 15 picks in the first round of the draft are protected. Because of compensation picks for the Diamondbacks, Padres and Brewers in this year's first round, the top 18 picks are actually protected. If a team with a protected first round pick signed Werth, the Phillies would receive that team's second-round pick.

And my 2cents on Werth is the Phillies are better off in the long run without him.

no problem. baseball has some crazy rules. I think I've read the article I linked about 15 times

Agree about werth long term. the phils problem is that they don't seem to have much of a contingency plan. we'll see what they end up doing...not many appealing OF options on the FA market this year

tvismyfriend

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Does $12 mil a year for Victor Martinez seem a little low? 5 years is probably too much but if a hitter like Huff gets $11 shouldn't Martinez get more?

Me and my buddies were talking about the same thing the other night. Ryan howard is now annually making more than twice as much as martinez. god, howard's contract is the WORST THING EVER

What about Vernon Wells' Contract? I'd say that's worse than Howards.

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

imalive wrote:

cashman (paraphrasing) - "if Derek can find anything better, he should pursue it"

almost as funny as the buck/huff extensions

$22 MILLIONS FOR HUFF?!?!?!?!

not a huge sabean fan......but he doesn't always "overpay stiffs"

these guys, he let go in the nick of time: matt williams, jason schmidt ( 3 wins, $47M for the dodgers ) , will clark and (to a lesser extent) jeff dickhead kent.

g under p

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Not gonna happen and yes, it would be the end of the world. haha.

Other than Davids Cone and Wells, nobody's ever really switched from the Yanks to the Sox, but many have gone the other way. How devastating would that be for Yankees fans if their beloved captain played in Fenway? I'm giddy just thinking about it, even though Jeter is clearly not the same Jeter as a few years ago.

Wishful thinking and we know it'll NEVER ever happen. Even iIF the Sox could get him for $5 mil a year they wouldn't do it, he has to go elsewhere if he's NOT with the Yanks.

Peace

Wobbie

supposedly, sabean matched another team's offer to huff:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs ... report.com

some of the guesses are intriguing....

The Juggler

imalive wrote:

supposedly, sabean matched another team's offer to huff:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs ... report.com

some of the guesses are intriguing....

huff was great in seinfeld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYMYb9d ... re=related

gimmie a schtickle of flouride

The Fixer

tvismyfriend wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Does $12 mil a year for Victor Martinez seem a little low? 5 years is probably too much but if a hitter like Huff gets $11 shouldn't Martinez get more?

Me and my buddies were talking about the same thing the other night. Ryan howard is now annually making more than twice as much as martinez. god, howard's contract is the WORST THING EVER

What about Vernon Wells' Contract? I'd say that's worse than Howards.

I wouldn't. at least wells has some decent defensive value and plays a premium defensive position.

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

almost as funny as the buck/huff extensions

$22 MILLIONS FOR HUFF?!?!?!?!

not a huge sabean fan......but he doesn't always "overpay stiffs"

these guys, he let go in the nick of time: matt williams, jason schmidt ( 3 wins, $47M for the dodgers ) , will clark and (to a lesser extent) jeff dickhead kent.

aaron rowand, aubrey huff, barry zito (not sure if he signed that deal or not). huff's extension is horrible and it's only the 3rd worst contract on the current roster. Can't wait to see what he gives cody ross

Wobbie

The Fixer wrote:

aaron rowand, aubrey huff, barry zito (not sure if he signed that deal or not). huff's extension is horrible and it's only the 3rd worst contract on the current roster. Can't wait to see what he gives cody ross

yet somehow the Giants are the 2010 World Champions!!!!