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It was about the money. And if the Yankees had matched. Cohen would have gone higherI miss igotid880
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Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.0 -
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.0 -
Yankees have never given out suites to players. Players have had to pay for them. This was an advantage the Mets had with Soto as the Yankees wouldn’t break precedent and give Soto a suite.Cliffy6745 said:
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.0 -
Im having similar conversations in Buffalo Sabres world. The GM publicly blamed the city for the inability to attract players, but the organization is a poorly managed budget franchise who does not pay attention to details. In a salary cap world, you need to treat things like a college program and maximize your program on the margins.
That is what we are looking at in MLB. Instead of 15-20 years ago where the Yankees were just paying the most money and sealing the deal, there are 4-8 legit spending teams. The treatment of players is important. Players' facilities, treatment of families, travel, player opt out, etc. All important and can change the game. Yes, the Mets gave Soto the most, but they gave Soto everything he wanted so he felt at ease leaving the Yankees and committing long-term.0 -
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it includedCliffy6745 said:
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.I miss igotid880 -
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Niceigotid88 said:
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it includedCliffy6745 said:
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.0 -
they should let them grow facial hair, too.Cliffy6745 said:Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
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right?pjhawks said:
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Niceigotid88 said:
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it includedCliffy6745 said:
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
Missoula 240 -
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.Wobbie said:
they should let them grow facial hair, too.Cliffy6745 said:Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Poncier said:
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.Wobbie said:
they should let them grow facial hair, too.Cliffy6745 said:Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
Facial hair? What’s next? No caps or sleeves? Slippery slope!0 -
Wobbie said:
right?pjhawks said:
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Niceigotid88 said:
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it includedCliffy6745 said:
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.Lerxst1992 said:Cliffy6745 said:
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.mookieblalock said:
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.Cliffy6745 said:
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually worksmookieblalock said:
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.tempo_n_groove said:
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?mookieblalock said:
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.Cliffy6745 said:
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.mookieblalock said:Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.Say that out loud Yankee fans.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
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C'mon, after taxes, management fees and taking present value for future salaries (c'mon $51M salary in 2040 is worth only $24M today) $765M doesn't go as far as it seems.
Seriously...I think there is an intangible at play here, like the Cohens are "with" the players. That's why I brought up the in stadium family center they invested in. They are going all in on the metsies after having Steinbrenners steal their hearts for 50 years. Luxury tax be damned.0 -
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lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports0
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Juan’s mama was down on the yankees.Cliffy6745 said:lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sportsIf I had known then what I know now...
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Lol seriously, I mean I'll buy Cohen is willing to do whatever it takes to make things happen. But at the end of the day that's because of dollars.Cliffy6745 said:lol they offered $800 fucking million. That’s the intangible. You’re acting like he gave them a discount because they gave him a suite. Literally the biggest contact in the history of sports0 -
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