MLB 2025 Season

igotid88

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Mattingly's RBI and Trout's runs scored you can say cancel each other out. It's easy to walk when you can pass it on to Pujols when he was still a threat. Adam Dunn also walked a lot. But I wasn't trying to find Trout's equal. I was just trying to compare where they were up to this point. You took it where it didn't need to go.

Why would you choose those to cancel those two out? One is close (rbi) and the other Trout has 200 more of. 

And it’s not “easy to walk” when you have a good hitter behind you. If there was a worse hitter behind him, pitchers would be more willing to stay away from the plate because they know they’d have an easier out up next. Even your excuses don’t make sense!

I was confusing it with the hits. But you're still more in control of driving in runs than someone driving you in. Trout has 183 more plate appearances so you can probably add 20 more RBI to Mattingly's total. Mattingly also had more sac hits and sacrifice fly than Trout. 79 to 46.  They can still pitch careful to you. They used to do that with Mattingly at times. But yeah you're right. Just let it go because you're not getting what I'm trying to do here. 

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Mattingly's RBI and Trout's runs scored you can say cancel each other out. It's easy to walk when you can pass it on to Pujols when he was still a threat. Adam Dunn also walked a lot. But I wasn't trying to find Trout's equal. I was just trying to compare where they were up to this point. You took it where it didn't need to go.

Why would you choose those to cancel those two out? One is close (rbi) and the other Trout has 200 more of. 

And it’s not “easy to walk” when you have a good hitter behind you. If there was a worse hitter behind him, pitchers would be more willing to stay away from the plate because they know they’d have an easier out up next. Even your excuses don’t make sense!

I was confusing it with the hits. But you're still more in control of driving in runs than someone driving you in. Trout has 183 more plate appearances so you can probably add 20 more RBI to Mattingly's total. Mattingly also had more sac hits and sacrifice fly than Trout. 79 to 46.  They can still pitch careful to you. They used to do that with Mattingly at times. But yeah you're right. Just let it go because you're not getting what I'm trying to do here. 

Spin the numbers all you want, it’s not even close...

cutz

cutz said:

Good article from Baseball America on the International players. The MLBPA has to agree on an International Draft?  Just reading this feels slimy.

Trainers, MLB Teams Unhappy With Current International Signing System

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/trainers-mlb-teams-unhappy-with-current-international-signing-system/

igotid88

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Mattingly's RBI and Trout's runs scored you can say cancel each other out. It's easy to walk when you can pass it on to Pujols when he was still a threat. Adam Dunn also walked a lot. But I wasn't trying to find Trout's equal. I was just trying to compare where they were up to this point. You took it where it didn't need to go.

Why would you choose those to cancel those two out? One is close (rbi) and the other Trout has 200 more of. 

And it’s not “easy to walk” when you have a good hitter behind you. If there was a worse hitter behind him, pitchers would be more willing to stay away from the plate because they know they’d have an easier out up next. Even your excuses don’t make sense!

I was confusing it with the hits. But you're still more in control of driving in runs than someone driving you in. Trout has 183 more plate appearances so you can probably add 20 more RBI to Mattingly's total. Mattingly also had more sac hits and sacrifice fly than Trout. 79 to 46.  They can still pitch careful to you. They used to do that with Mattingly at times. But yeah you're right. Just let it go because you're not getting what I'm trying to do here. 

Spin the numbers all you want, it’s not even close...

It's not a competition. Your boy is great 

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

Mattingly's RBI and Trout's runs scored you can say cancel each other out. It's easy to walk when you can pass it on to Pujols when he was still a threat. Adam Dunn also walked a lot. But I wasn't trying to find Trout's equal. I was just trying to compare where they were up to this point. You took it where it didn't need to go.

Why would you choose those to cancel those two out? One is close (rbi) and the other Trout has 200 more of. 

And it’s not “easy to walk” when you have a good hitter behind you. If there was a worse hitter behind him, pitchers would be more willing to stay away from the plate because they know they’d have an easier out up next. Even your excuses don’t make sense!

I was confusing it with the hits. But you're still more in control of driving in runs than someone driving you in. Trout has 183 more plate appearances so you can probably add 20 more RBI to Mattingly's total. Mattingly also had more sac hits and sacrifice fly than Trout. 79 to 46.  They can still pitch careful to you. They used to do that with Mattingly at times. But yeah you're right. Just let it go because you're not getting what I'm trying to do here. 

Spin the numbers all you want, it’s not even close...

It's not a competition. Your boy is great 

He’s not even my boy. I probably liked Donnie Baseball more as a kid than I do Trout as an adult. My only point is those numbers don’t show them as being comparable. 

tempo_n_groove

Does anyone care what the Mets players have been doing?

Alonso and McNeil?  Anyone know about them?  Do you even care?  ROY and MVP possibly on one of the worst teams?

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

Does anyone care what the Mets players have been doing?

Alonso and McNeil?  Anyone know about them?  Do you even care?  ROY and MVP possibly on one of the worst teams?

Underachieving, big time.  Those two players are fun but with all of the smack talking in the offseason, and with that staff -- how in the hell are they so bad?  It appears the only reason the manager keeps his job is because he is a robot for the GM.

DewieCox

“ “Don’t stand on the tracks when the train’s coming through.” - Jack Parkman” 
                                                - Jake Marisnick

HesCalledDyer

Barring injury or total fluke, Alonso is gonna annihilate the rookie HR record.

For any player playing in the current era, should we put asterisks beside everyone's names and blackball them from the HOF since the baseballs are manufactured to travel farther now?  There are fuckin dude's hitting shit out of the park on damn near check swings these days.  The minor leagues (maybe just Triple-A) switched to using MLB balls this year and home runs are pretty much double what they were a year ago this time.

If we're going to act like steroids was such a big fluke and ruined the integrity of the game, how is this any different? 

F Me In The Brain

Well, because the same ball is used by everyone?

I think the fact that roiders took an advantage by cheating differs from the game changing due to a manipulation from the top.  

Your observations are right about the impact of the ball, I think.  Tough to be a pitcher now.

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

Barring injury or total fluke, Alonso is gonna annihilate the rookie HR record.

For any player playing in the current era, should we put asterisks beside everyone's names and blackball them from the HOF since the baseballs are manufactured to travel farther now?  There are fuckin dude's hitting shit out of the park on damn near check swings these days.  The minor leagues (maybe just Triple-A) switched to using MLB balls this year and home runs are pretty much double what they were a year ago this time.

If we're going to act like steroids was such a big fluke and ruined the integrity of the game, how is this any different? 

You mentioned a "check swing".

Watch Aaron Judge's HR derby contest.  He barely swung and popped up a  few that were HR's.

When he got a hold of one though it was crushed.

Josh Hamilton and Mark McGwire have been my two fav HR Derby contenders over the years.

HesCalledDyer

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, because the same ball is used by everyone?

I think the fact that roiders took an advantage by cheating differs from the game changing due to a manipulation from the top.  

Your observations are right about the impact of the ball, I think.  Tough to be a pitcher now.

Perhaps.  It is across the board, so it is fair to all who play today.  But those who came before the "golf ball era" did not have the advantage of teeing off every swing, so it's still unfair when compared to 99% of the game that came before it.  (But I know, we can compare the last 100 years to the 30-40 that came before it and say the same thing).  Anyway, I don't really think we should asterisk either era, it was more just a comparison to show the steroid era wasn't the big bad monster under the bed that everyone (not anyone here, but media/BBWAA in general) is so afraid of.  MLB wanted home runs then, so they turned a blind eye to steroids.  They want home runs now, but since we're so against steroids they let them play with racquetballs.  Either way, it's a top-down manipulation of the game by the league.

I dunno.  I really just don't like the way baseball is headed with this HR or nothing approach. It isn't making the game more fun or more interesting or more watchable when it's 7 home runs and 25-30 strikeouts per game and maybe 1-2 other baserunners.  It's certainly a whole hell of a lot less action during the span of the game.  That to me is taking an interesting game and making it fucking boring - the exact thing they're supposedly trying not to do.

tempo_n_groove

A double off the wall or triple in the gap is still exciting!!!

A stolen base, or dare to steal home is still friggin exciting!!!

mfc2006

tempo_n_groove said:

A double off the wall or triple in the gap is still exciting!!!

A stolen base, or dare to steal home is still friggin exciting!!!

Yup. Loved watching yesterday’s Astros/Angels game because it was back & forth and had a little bit of everything.

HesCalledDyer

WOW!!!!!

igotid88

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Barring injury or total fluke, Alonso is gonna annihilate the rookie HR record.

For any player playing in the current era, should we put asterisks beside everyone's names and blackball them from the HOF since the baseballs are manufactured to travel farther now?  There are fuckin dude's hitting shit out of the park on damn near check swings these days.  The minor leagues (maybe just Triple-A) switched to using MLB balls this year and home runs are pretty much double what they were a year ago this time.

If we're going to act like steroids was such a big fluke and ruined the integrity of the game, how is this any different? 

You mentioned a "check swing".

Watch Aaron Judge's HR derby contest.  He barely swung and popped up a  few that were HR's.

When he got a hold of one though it was crushed.

Josh Hamilton and Mark McGwire have been my two fav HR Derby contenders over the years.

I could be wrong. But there are more bigger and stronger players nowadays. 

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Barring injury or total fluke, Alonso is gonna annihilate the rookie HR record.

For any player playing in the current era, should we put asterisks beside everyone's names and blackball them from the HOF since the baseballs are manufactured to travel farther now?  There are fuckin dude's hitting shit out of the park on damn near check swings these days.  The minor leagues (maybe just Triple-A) switched to using MLB balls this year and home runs are pretty much double what they were a year ago this time.

If we're going to act like steroids was such a big fluke and ruined the integrity of the game, how is this any different? 

You mentioned a "check swing".

Watch Aaron Judge's HR derby contest.  He barely swung and popped up a  few that were HR's.

When he got a hold of one though it was crushed.

Josh Hamilton and Mark McGwire have been my two fav HR Derby contenders over the years.

I could be wrong. But there are more bigger and stronger players nowadays. 

Give McGwire and Hamilton this jacked up ball and I will disagree.

Every pop up goes out now.

Those 2 players were absolute beasts.

tempo_n_groove

So the HR derby.

I don't like that the players get gassed. I've watched a few that got tired late but killed in the first rounds in years past.

The 10 swing format didn't grab everyones attention I guess?

 

HesCalledDyer

That round between Vlad Jr & Pedersen last night was insane!  That was one of those "the semi-final was the real final" moments.  Alonso had the best strategy to win, though.  Didn't just play hard, he played it smart.  I also liked how Alonso was spraying the ball all over the field, not just straight pulling it.  I haven't seen him play much this year but he's got a great swing!  Was hoping to see Josh Bell do better but Acuna is a hell of a ball player, too!

mfc2006

HesCalledDyer said:

That round between Vlad Jr & Pedersen last night was insane!  That was one of those "the semi-final was the real final" moments.  Alonso had the best strategy to win, though.  Didn't just play hard, he played it smart.  I also liked how Alonso was spraying the ball all over the field, not just straight pulling it.  I haven't seen him play much this year but he's got a great swing!  Was hoping to see Josh Bell do better but Acuna is a hell of a ball player, too!

That round was really fun to watch.

To Tempo’s earlier point, I liked the 10 ball format a bit better to be honest.