Holy jeebus. These contracts are wild in how long they have to offer in order to land the star players.
Not too long ago the owners said they were stopping that. Guess they changed their minds?
So lets see how the big contracts went so far?
Albert Pujols Alex Rodriguez 2009 WS Bobby Bonds Christian Yelich Mike Trout Jacob Degrom Anthony Rendon Miguel Cabrera Shohei Ohtani 2024 WS Wander Franco...
There are more I'm sure but these come straight to mind. Only 2 WS among them. Strasburg and Rodon might be up there too?
I assume you meant Barry Bonds. His contracts were:
6 yrs/$43M
2 yrs/$23M
5 yrs/$90M
1 yr/$16M
AAV = $12M/yr
I'd say there's nothing wrong with that for one of the three best players to ever play the game.
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Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
2040 will never happen. He can opt out after 5 and 10 years.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
2040 will never happen. He can opt out after 5 and 10 years.
Nobody in the baseball community (former GM’s, reporters, etc.) thinks he’s going to opt out. If you think that, then you should think the Yankees are fools for not matching a 5 year 255 million dollar contract.
Where does Sasaki sign? The who’s not who’s of MLB have the most pool money, or whatever it’s known as.
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Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
lol thank God we all agree w this being a travesty.
a traveshamockery.
I have the feeling Soto is NOT going back to the Yankees…
Where would he go to? Come to the Halos so we can have one of the best and still suck!
Boston? Nope. Toronto? Big nope but would LOVE that move. Dodgers? No way they can afford that. Mets? C'mon. KC would be another great move but that ain't happening.
He'll go whichever team offers the Highest Contract. Simple as that?
I guess playing for a contender has all but lost its muster?
Your list is all legit or semi-legit contenders. It’s not like we’re talking about the Rockies.
or Halos! Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Thats why i said Yankees, Jays and Royals would be good fits. Boston and Mets I just don't see. The Mets are like the Knicks, all talk about getting someone but can never seal the deal.
I will gladly eat these words.
Still can't believe the Mets landed him...
With Cohen's money, I believed it when I saw that he signed with the NYM.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
What do you mean? We solved 9/11 by attacking Iraq and Afghanistan
Anyway... I get happier with Acuna's contract with each passing year (when he's healthy)
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
Manfred is just as bad as Bud.
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Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season.
Yeah it’s bullshit.
Bobby Boniila’s salary still counts against the luxury tax for the Mets. Equally as nuts.
I think at some point kicking the can down the road will come back to bite the Dodgers.
Half baked out idea...Steinbrenners should sell half the team to the Saudis and have truly unlimited money. F it. Understand it would never ever ever ever happen for a variety of reasons and mostly 9/11
The rest of baseball had to experience this with George Steinbrenner for decades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I don’t have a problem with it! Yankees could spend just as much and should. Hal sucks in general though I don’t totally blame him for this one.
My only gripe with any of the spending is that LAD doesn’t get an accurate luxury tax bill now, which is BS.
They do. It’s based on present day value, so Ohtani’s contract impact on their payroll (luxury tax) last year was 46 million. It wasn’t the 2 million they actually paid him last season.
Yeah it’s bullshit.
I think at some point kicking the can down the road will come back to bite the Dodgers.
Unfortunately, I doubt it.
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Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites.
Yankees have never given out suites to players. Players have had to pay for them. This was an advantage the Mets had with Soto as the Yankees wouldn’t break precedent and give Soto a suite.
Im having similar conversations in Buffalo Sabres world. The GM publicly blamed the city for the inability to attract players, but the organization is a poorly managed budget franchise who does not pay attention to details. In a salary cap world, you need to treat things like a college program and maximize your program on the margins.
That is what we are looking at in MLB. Instead of 15-20 years ago where the Yankees were just paying the most money and sealing the deal, there are 4-8 legit spending teams. The treatment of players is important. Players' facilities, treatment of families, travel, player opt out, etc. All important and can change the game. Yes, the Mets gave Soto the most, but they gave Soto everything he wanted so he felt at ease leaving the Yankees and committing long-term.
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it included
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it included
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Nice
Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
If I had known then what I know now...
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Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
That's great. All teams should do that. Yankees have long done much of this. Arod/CC had suites, Tanaka was given X number of first class flights to Japan a year, they always stay at the Four Seasons or something similar, their charter plane is top notch, they treat visiting players well in that they uniformly say the post game spread is the best in the game.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
They had to pay for their suites though. Soto wanted it included
Almost 800 million and he couldn’t pay for his own suite. Nice
right?
If I had known then what I know now...
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Yankees offered almost identical money as the Mets. Soto simply thoughts the Mets had a better situation for the next 15 years.
Say that out loud Yankee fans.
That is just not true...total dollars were similar, but very different structures with AAV and the escalators to over $800 million. They presented the contract to the Yankees and they said no. He felt no connection to go back to the Yankees and he took the biggest contact.
You’re splitting hairs here. He only gets 805 if he opts out; which he almost certainly will not do.
At the end of the day, the Yankees offered 760 over 16 years and the Mets offered 765 over 15 years. Lie to yourself and say it was about the money if it makes you feel better.
He makes more w less years. How is that NOT for the money?
It’s marginal 2040 money. Before he signed, it was widely assumed that as long as the Yankees are within the ballpark of the Mets offer, he would go back to the Yankees. The Mets were told they would have to blow the Yankees out of the water. They didn’t. The Yankees were very much in the ballpark and he didn’t choose them.
Assumed by who? Not saying the line of thinking was wrong, I just don’t think it was grounded in any fact. After the World Series he said no team had an advantage. He was always likely going to the highest bidder, as it usually works
I listed by who above. Specifically, former GM’s Jim Duquette, Jim Bowden, Steve Phillips don’t think there is any chance he opts out. Neither do Ken Rosenthal or Tom Verducci, among others. You can disagree with them, but I cited them because the opt out to get it to 805 is highly unlikely.
We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
He literally said no team had an advantage and went to the highest bidder. Not sure how that can be twisted into anything except money was the most important factor.
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
they should let them grow facial hair, too.
Most ridiculous team rule in all of organized sports. It's not 1958 anymore, no need to enforce clean shaven buzz cut wearing robots as players.
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We’re just going to have to disagree the money differential is significant. The press conference will clear some questions up, but by all accounts, he wanted to play for the Mets rather than the Yankees.
Anyway... I get happier with Acuna's contract with each passing year (when he's healthy)
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Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
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Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Remember Cohen strategy was created by living for decades in the "Steinbrenner" verse. He is doing everything he can so the Mets can be the number one destination for MLB players, in addition to replacing the Steinbrenners as the biggest spenders.
The money goes beyond MLB contracts. The Cohens have put money into making the family experience excellent for players with investments such as significantly improving the on site facility for players families and they gave Soto an annual $500k luxury suite and the Yanks didn't want to set that precedent.
So when fans get angry at these outrageous contracts, the decades long NY baseball situation specifically created the current Mets spending machine. In NY it was only a matter of time before some outrageously wealthy wall street Mets fan got involved.
This is exactly what the players wanted, this is the system we get.
Brandon McCarthy was saying the other day in terms of history and experience, Yankees are Augusta vs. everyone else a regular tour event.
Love all of this. All companies should treat their employees great.
That is what we are looking at in MLB. Instead of 15-20 years ago where the Yankees were just paying the most money and sealing the deal, there are 4-8 legit spending teams. The treatment of players is important. Players' facilities, treatment of families, travel, player opt out, etc. All important and can change the game. Yes, the Mets gave Soto the most, but they gave Soto everything he wanted so he felt at ease leaving the Yankees and committing long-term.
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
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