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  • Congrats Crime Dog!!!
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,925
    Even worse, they never win

    They would be better off signing Mattingly

    He might finally be able to put up HoF numbers in that ballpark.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    Congrats Crime Dog!!!
    Very well deserved - one of my favorites growing up
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    Mattingly was 2nd
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,925
    igotid88 said:
    Mattingly was 2nd
    First loser I believe is the saying.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Loved McGriff as a kid. Back when hitting 30+ homers for 7 consecutive seasons was a big deal. Probably my favorite before Griffey became the star of the 90's.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mattingly was 2nd
    First loser I believe is the saying.
    At least he's first
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    Verlander to the Mets 2 years 86 mil. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Tom Emanski is likely almost as proud as he was when his training videos produced BACK TO BACK TO BACK AAU NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. 

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    Probably because he hasn't been healthy the last 2 years 
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  • So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    Not surprised that JV moved on. Very thankful for the way he pitched for the Astros & wish him the best with the Mets. Houston has a strong rotation & that money will be used elsewhere.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    edited December 2022
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    Ha just realized DeGrom isn't done getting paid by the Mets, either. He'll collect $52M between the ages of 47 of 51.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Ha just realized DeGrom isn't done getting paid by the Mets, either. He'll collect $52M between the ages of 47 of 51.
    Oh good, we can replace Bobby Bonilla day with Jacob Degrom day!
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Seems like what will eventually be another bonehead Mets move. JV is a great pitcher, but he's 39 and 2 years removed from TJ surgery. Plus, I don't think history has fared well on this other tidbit Verlander shares with a select few:

    Verlander is the sixth reigning Cy Young winner to sign with a new team as a free agent. The others:


    Maddux obviously did fine long after and Catfish had 1 more stellar year, but they were all 10 years younger too. Good luck struggling for a wild card spot.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    I think the Mets will Mets it specifically because they're the Mets.

    Beyond that I think one year of Verlander at 40 years old is reasonable for the return. It's everything after that. Looking at it - the guy is pretty legendary at this point. Not trying too hard here but I feel like the only comp is Nolan back in the day? And he was on another level between performance and longevity. 
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    Trea Turner to the Phillies
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    igotid88 said:
    Trea Turner to the Phillies

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    edited December 2022
    tbergs said:
    Seems like what will eventually be another bonehead Mets move. JV is a great pitcher, but he's 39 and 2 years removed from TJ surgery. Plus, I don't think history has fared well on this other tidbit Verlander shares with a select few:

    Verlander is the sixth reigning Cy Young winner to sign with a new team as a free agent. The others:


    Maddux obviously did fine long after and Catfish had 1 more stellar year, but they were all 10 years younger too. Good luck struggling for a wild card spot.
    Randy Johnson?

    NVMD.  Johnson and Clemens went to new teams and got Cy Youngs.
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  • So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
  • igotid88 said:
    Trea Turner to the Phillies
    Hell of a pick up for them wow!
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    Turner is a game changer for Philly. Congrats to all of the Philly fans!
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    igotid88 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,992
    igotid88 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    If he was 34 he might. They gave Scherzer $43 million a year for 3 at 37 years old.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,041
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    If he was 34 he might. They gave Scherzer $43 million a year for 3 at 37 years old.
    Most likely. I'm sure the Mets would have been fine giving deGrom the Scherzer deal. The Mets are fine paying guys higher AAVs for less years, especially those with a sketchy injury history. Scherzer's 3/129 isn't the 5/185 deGrom got. Point I'm making is the idea that deGrom high tailed it out of New York because he wanted out of New York is nonsensical. He high tailed it out of New York because evidently no one else was giving more guaranteed money to a guy that hasn't been able to stay healthy, other than the Rangers.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    igotid88 said:
    So obviously the Mets didn't want to pay for DeGrom for more than three years at most.
    No he wanted out.  He didn't even give the Mets a chance to counter.  He just signed.

    So, the F U to DeGrom is to give Verlander all that money.
    He got more guaranteed years and money. I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Verlander is getting less money than DeGrom, even if his 3rd year vests.
    Again...  He NEVER, Degrom, gave the Meats a chance to counter.  He took the Rangers deal and ran out of town.  DeGrom did not want to be in NY anymore.  That is pretty easy to figure out.
    The Mets gave less money to Justin Verlander than Jacob deGrom received from the Texas Rangers.
    Only because of his age. JV getting more per year
    Right - and vice versa JV would not get 5 years at that AAV. At the end of the day deGrom got more guaranteed money, which is dependent on years, which the Mets were obviously not going to do.
    Rangers are another organization I just scratch my head at.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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