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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    let's see how roy jr follows up the greatest pitching performance of our lifetime tonight. :mrgreen:

    i shall be in the parking lot by 2:30...weather's beautiful, god bless america...




    GO PHILS!!!!


    tim wasn't too shabby himself last night

    should be two good LCS 's

    yeah he was. one step at a time...but i am loving the quality pitching thus far. so much more enjoyable watching a game that moves at such a brisk pace like that...
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    Maddon went out there with the intention of getting tossed.

    I didn't see the Twins game, but Maddon deserved it. The only reason he visited the mound was to argue with the umpires and get ejected. He even admitted it.

    From the Tampa Tribune:

    After the home run, Rays manager Joe Maddon went out to the mound with the sole purpose of arguing the call on Young's check swing. He was ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which he later said was his objective.

    "I wanted to make a statement and jack up the team a little," Maddon said. "It didn't work."


    But otherwise I agree with you. The umpires should never be the focus of the game yet somehow they manage to do just that and they become a big part of the story.

    With that said though, they had a long leash with Shoppach acting like a bitch yesterday. If I was the ump, I would have tossed his whiny ass. Especially after using the magic word like he did.
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    kinda looks like the yanks are coming to rip your antlers off :mrgreen:

    Don't be too sure about that. Deer get nasty when cornered. ;)

    Actually I do hope the Rangers and Yankees meet. We match up very well.
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    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    31 missed ball and strike calls missed in the Yankees game. 31!
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    31 missed ball and strike calls missed in the Yankees game. 31!


    Wow, that is a lot.

    How accurate are those strike zone trackers though? Has anyone looked into that?
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    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Flagg wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    31 missed ball and strike calls missed in the Yankees game. 31!


    Wow, that is a lot.

    How accurate are those strike zone trackers though? Has anyone looked into that?


    This is the graph I saw, I know there are a few others as well.

    zoneplot.php-pitchSelallgamegid_2010_10_07_nyamlb_minmlb_1sp_type1s_type71.gif

    Edit: and it seems there are a whole lot more red squares outside of the zone that triangles, so Minnesota can't really complain.
  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    This is the graph I saw, I know there are a few others as well.

    zoneplot.php-pitchSelallgamegid_2010_10_07_nyamlb_minmlb_1sp_type1s_type71.gif

    Edit: and it seems there are a whole lot more red squares outside of the zone that triangles, so Minnesota can't really complain.

    I noticed plenty of bad calls both ways. Of course, right after blowing a Yankees' strikeout a HR follows. That's the way it goes sometimes. I still don't want a computer calling balls & strikes. The problem is you just need better umpires, and the union has turned it into a patronage position.
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  • Flagg wrote:
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    Maddon went out there with the intention of getting tossed.

    I didn't see the Twins game, but Maddon deserved it. The only reason he visited the mound was to argue with the umpires and get ejected. He even admitted it.

    From the Tampa Tribune:

    After the home run, Rays manager Joe Maddon went out to the mound with the sole purpose of arguing the call on Young's check swing. He was ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which he later said was his objective.

    "I wanted to make a statement and jack up the team a little," Maddon said. "It didn't work."


    But otherwise I agree with you. The umpires should never be the focus of the game yet somehow they manage to do just that and they become a big part of the story.

    With that said though, they had a long leash with Shoppach acting like a bitch yesterday. If I was the ump, I would have tossed his whiny ass. Especially after using the magic word like he did.


    Yeah, I'm not saying that these managers didn't deserve to be tossed. Just the fact that managers are allowing themselves to be tossed in playoff games due to absolutely terrible umpiring is a complete fucking joke. I mean, honestly, I thought the postseason was reserved for the best umpiring crews??
  • Did anyone watch the Braves/Giants game last night? They must have showed the replay of Buster Posey stealing second about 8 times and the announcers never once mentioned that he was indeed OUT! At least by a foot or two. Granted, the ump may have not had the best angle and it was difficult for him to see the tag, but for it to be obvious in instant replay and not once have the announcers mention it surprised the hell out of me. Of course he went on to score which was the only run of the game.
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  • Did anyone watch the Braves/Giants game last night? They must have showed the replay of Buster Posey stealing second about 8 times and the announcers never once mentioned that he was indeed OUT! At least by a foot or two. Granted, the ump may have not had the best angle and it was difficult for him to see the tag, but for it to be obvious in instant replay and not once have the announcers mention it surprised the hell out of me. Of course he went on to score which was the only run of the game.

    Bobby Cox had stated that his guys did not do anything as to a reaction. That is why he never went out to argue the call. There was no emotion by any of the players as to a blown call. If you are looking at the call from the umps position which I believe was the right position (he was where every single unpire stands to make that call), Posey looked like he got in under the tag. If you look at the replay from the other angle, he looks out. It's called HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE!! :lol:

    GO GIANTS!!!
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Flagg wrote:
    What a sad state of umpiring we are dealing with in MLB. You NEVER see managers tossed out of playoff games and it has happened twice already in the 1st round. It's pretty sad.

    Maddon went out there with the intention of getting tossed.

    I didn't see the Twins game, but Maddon deserved it. The only reason he visited the mound was to argue with the umpires and get ejected. He even admitted it.

    From the Tampa Tribune:

    After the home run, Rays manager Joe Maddon went out to the mound with the sole purpose of arguing the call on Young's check swing. He was ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which he later said was his objective.

    "I wanted to make a statement and jack up the team a little," Maddon said. "It didn't work."


    But otherwise I agree with you. The umpires should never be the focus of the game yet somehow they manage to do just that and they become a big part of the story.

    With that said though, they had a long leash with Shoppach acting like a bitch yesterday. If I was the ump, I would have tossed his whiny ass. Especially after using the magic word like he did.


    Yeah, I'm not saying that these managers didn't deserve to be tossed. Just the fact that managers are allowing themselves to be tossed in playoff games due to absolutely terrible umpiring is a complete fucking joke. I mean, honestly, I thought the postseason was reserved for the best umpiring crews??

    Gotcha. I thought about that after I wrote my response. There have been some pretty bad calls so far no doubt.
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    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Cliffy6745 wrote:


    This is the graph I saw, I know there are a few others as well.

    zoneplot.php-pitchSelallgamegid_2010_10_07_nyamlb_minmlb_1sp_type1s_type71.gif

    Edit: and it seems there are a whole lot more red squares outside of the zone that triangles, so Minnesota can't really complain.
    seems like hunter favored the left outside then the right outside

    to me thats unacceptable and unfair to both teams
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  • Aero83_Aero83_ Posts: 933
    Im going to miss Bobby Cox...
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    I've been trying to figure the chart out for 1 hour
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Jeags must be drinking heavy at the moment
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    I've been trying to figure the chart out for 1 hour

    green squares=twins balls
    red squares= twins strikes
    green triangle=yankees balls
    green squares=yankees strikes
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    metsfan wrote:
    I've been trying to figure the chart out for 1 hour

    green squares=twins balls
    red squares= twins strikes
    green triangle=yankees balls
    green squares=yankees strikes
    Is that for or against though?
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    metsfan wrote:
    I've been trying to figure the chart out for 1 hour

    green squares=twins balls
    red squares= twins strikes
    green triangle=yankees balls
    green squares=yankees strikes
    Is that for or against though?

    I'm more confused now :lol:
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    edited October 2010

    I'm more confused now :lol:
    Are the Twins balls and strikes for the batters or pitchers.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    the way i look at is anything green is balls and anything red is strikes


    tvis i think its just in general
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    For, so there are two green squares towards the top right corner. One of those two would be the Berkman pitch.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    The color is the pitcher, not batter.
  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The color is the pitcher, not batter.
    Thanks.
  • Jeags must be drinking heavy at the moment

    Agreed :lol:
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The color is the pitcher, not batter.
    Thanks.

    I also think I said it wrong in the original post.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    WTF
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    so let's see...utley wasn't hit by a pitch, was forced out at second and didn't touch third...superior umpiring going on here
  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    norm wrote:
    so let's see...utley wasn't hit by a pitch, was forced out at second and didn't touch third...superior umpiring going on here
    When have the umpires ever done anything right in the playoffs?
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    norm wrote:
    so let's see...utley wasn't hit by a pitch, was forced out at second and didn't touch third...superior umpiring going on here
    When have the umpires ever done anything right in the playoffs?

    true...but 3 consecutive calls involving the same player is something new :lol:
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    norm wrote:
    so let's see...utley wasn't hit by a pitch, was forced out at second and didn't touch third...superior umpiring going on here
    he pulled a jeter hahaha

    he touched the inside of the bag, just barely. thats why da reds didn't appeal.


    i would never ever put a rookie in a big spot like dusty baker did
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